Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 6/23/24 01:35, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 23/6/24 14:25, David Wright wrote: On Sun 23 Jun 2024 at 12:52:55 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: Have you ever pondered why the 'international date line' is so convoluted? Only on the odd occasion when an area decides to cross it, for whatever

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:18 AM David Wright wrote: > [...] > Well, that's a mouthful. And what am I to call the time that a system > issues using that system default time zone? The kernel clock counts ticks. The ticks are relative to Epoch, which is UTC. Ticks are what you see in the output of

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 23/6/24 14:25, David Wright wrote: On Sun 23 Jun 2024 at 12:52:55 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: Have you ever pondered why the 'international date line' is so convoluted? Only on the odd occasion when an area decides to cross it, for whatever reason. Like Samoa recently. And before th

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 12:31:41 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 09:52:39 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 21 Jun 2024 at 07:15:32 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > If I boot up two computers > > > > and they display different times, what term is appropriate in your >

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 12:26:05 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 09:51:32 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 10:02:43 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > set date_format="!It's %a %d%b%Y at %H:%M:%S here, where clocks are > > > UTC%z" > > > I think you

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sun 23 Jun 2024 at 12:52:55 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: > Have you ever pondered why the 'international date line' is so convoluted? Only on the odd occasion when an area decides to cross it, for whatever reason. Like Samoa recently. And before that, the creation of Pacific/Kiritimati (+1

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 23/6/24 00:53, David Wright wrote: Styles change: there's a tendency in English to evolve towards compound words, sometimes with hyphenation along the way. Not to mention some cultures change how words are spelt: colour, odour, metres to quote a few. But don't fret.Some people prono

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 23/6/24 12:08, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, 11:02 AM Stefan Monnier > wrote: > Yes, I realise that. The times are being displayed by the gettys, > controlled by the /etc/issue format string.  Jobs are being run > by cron, log

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 23/6/24 01:16, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Possible. I was happy to forget that I had anything to do with Windows 🙂 Especially delving into the registry -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keithr...@gmail.com keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com +61 (0)447 667 468 UTC + 10:00

Re: Modifying Desktop Icons [Solved]

On 23/06/2024 03:16, Pranjal Singh wrote: although not having your data out there is better IMHO Notice that firefox has "Always use private browsing mode" setting exposed to UI.

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, 11:02 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Yes, I realise that. The times are being displayed by the gettys, > > controlled by the /etc/issue format string. Jobs are being run > > by cron, logs written by rsyslogd, and so on. And the term is … ? > > Maybe there simply isn't such a

Re: Current best practices for system configuration management?

On 6/22/24 11:33, Dmitrii Odintcov wrote: Hi all, Sorry to resurrect an old-ish thread, but I am facing the exact same task, minus the know-how. Basically I am looking to pre-configure a number of Debian setups - let's say, "server", "laptop" and "PC" - that would contain sets of packages to i

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

Hi, On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 12:37:29PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Will I outlive Debian 11/12? Well we're only talking a small single digit number of years here, so I hope you have reason to be optimistic. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 05:18:53PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 10:48 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > > [...] > > Thank you for reminding me of live images just now. Perfect timing. > > I have an i386 machine with some atypical constraints. > > https://www.debian.org/CD/live/

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 10:48 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > [...] > Thank you for reminding me of live images just now. Perfect timing. > I have an i386 machine with some atypical constraints. > https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ states only amd64 images are currently > available. > > Questions: >1.

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

On 6/22/24 10:37, Richard Owlett wrote: I ask about i386 Debian Live because I have a fine operational Sony laptop that currently runs Debian 9.0 and has a $20 price tag on its bottom. This machine has option to boot Debian 11 with an AMD64 kernel. I routinely run Debian 9.13 because its confi

Re: Modifying Desktop Icons [Solved]

Hi Gareth, I have solved it. The solution: *drumroll* Switch from Ubuntu to Bookworm. On 22/06/24 15:33, Gareth Evans wrote: [...] There is no "[-]-private" option according to the grep I performed, and [-]-private produces a non-private window when run here from the command line. Thanks B

Re: Current best practices for system configuration management?

Hi all, Sorry to resurrect an old-ish thread, but I am facing the exact same task, minus the know-how. Basically I am looking to pre-configure a number of Debian setups - let's say, "server", "laptop" and "PC" - that would contain sets of packages to install (or uninstall), configuration files (

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

On 06/22/2024 12:13 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: Rather than creating a customized Debian Live image, I install Debian onto a USB flash drive or onto a 2.5" SATA SSD connected via a USB-SATA adapter cable: +1 It's pretty easy to make a simple Debian install on some old USB key you have lying arou

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

On 06/22/2024 08:55 AM, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 06:43:04AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Questions: 1. What is latest i386 live image available in some archive? 2. I have a working machine that will take a current full install of an i386 system. Can an average u

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

> Rather than creating a customized Debian Live image, I install Debian onto > a USB flash drive or onto a 2.5" SATA SSD connected via a USB-SATA adapter > cable: +1 It's pretty easy to make a simple Debian install on some old USB key you have lying around and it comes really handy. Ste

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

On 6/22/24 04:43, Richard Owlett wrote: Thank you for reminding me of live images just now. Perfect timing. I have an i386 machine with some atypical constraints. https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ states only amd64 images are currently available. Questions:   1. What is latest i386 live image a

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 09:52:39 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 21 Jun 2024 at 07:15:32 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > If I boot up two computers > > > and they display different times, what term is appropriate in your > > > opinion to describe the time displayed? > > > > They're out of

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 09:51:32 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 10:02:43 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > set date_format="!It's %a %d%b%Y at %H:%M:%S here, where clocks are > > UTC%z" > I think you need to set attribution, not date_format. For example, > set attributio

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

> Yes, I realise that. The times are being displayed by the gettys, > controlled by the /etc/issue format string. Jobs are being run > by cron, logs written by rsyslogd, and so on. And the term is … ? Maybe there simply isn't such a term. The subject is sufficiently complex/delicate that there c

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 09:53:47AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 21 Jun 2024 at 06:45:58 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > > I recall a checkbox do disable DST in Windows 95 or Windows 98, so perhaps > > > searching for a timezone without DST was not necessary. > > > > It's a log

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 18:35:34 (+1000), Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 21/6/24 14:28, David Wright wrote: > > You could pronounce your time written above as: > > > >"It's Thu 20Jun2024 at 20:51:19 here, where clocks are UTC+10:00" > > Excellent. Now how do we get our MUA to do that when replyin

Re: dictd?

On Thu 20 Jun 2024 at 09:04:29 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 20/06/2024 00:31, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 22:15:20 +0500, Stanislav Vlasov wrote: > > > In my system mode bits on my home dir are `drwx--` so only my user > > > have access to it. > > > > Well, yeah. That

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Fri 21 Jun 2024 at 06:45:58 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 09:32:10AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 20/06/2024 11:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > "the system's > > > time zone" (of which some, me included, say "there's no such thing", > > > and others disagree 🙂

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Fri 21 Jun 2024 at 06:48:14 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 11:17:42PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 20 Jun 2024 at 22:58:53 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 09:32:10 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > > On 20/06/2024 11:52, to...@tuxtea

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Fri 21 Jun 2024 at 07:15:32 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 23:17:42 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > And what am I to call the time that a system > > issues using that system default time zone? > > If you mean the current time translated into that time zone, "local time"

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat 22 Jun 2024 at 10:02:43 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 18:35:34 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > On 21/6/24 14:28, David Wright wrote: > > > You could pronounce your time written above as: > > > > > >"It's Thu 20Jun2024 at 20:51:19 here, where clocks are UTC+1

Re: time display was: Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat, 2024-06-22 at 18:11 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > On 18/6/24 00:56, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > > On 16/6/24 23:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 06:13:36PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge > > > > wrote: > > > > > > It was late af

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 18:28:55 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > And doesn't this exchange show that > Sat 22Jun2024 at 18:27:55 +10:00 > > can be interpreted in two ways? I can only read it one way. What other way are you thinking of?

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 18:35:34 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > On 21/6/24 14:28, David Wright wrote: > > You could pronounce your time written above as: > > > >"It's Thu 20Jun2024 at 20:51:19 here, where clocks are UTC+10:00" > > Excellent. Now how do we get our MUA to do that when repl

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

Hi, On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 06:43:04AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Questions: > 1. What is latest i386 live image available in some archive? > 2. I have a working machine that will take a current full install > of an i386 system. Can an average user create his own i386 live > inst

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

On 06/22/2024 07:39 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: 1. What is latest i386 live image available in some archive? I guess: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/11.9.0-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ That solves a plethora of problems! Thank you. At least the page

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: > 1. What is latest i386 live image available in some archive? I guess: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/11.9.0-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ At least the pages for archived Live ISOs for Debian 12 list no i386 any more: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdi

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

On 06/21/2024 09:59 PM, Max Nikulin wrote: On 21/06/2024 11:39, David Christensen wrote: On 6/20/24 19:10, Max Nikulin wrote: On 20/06/2024 12:06, David Christensen wrote: You can use the fdisk(8) command to list the partitions on a drive. lsblk --fs perhaps with "-o +SIZE" may be more conv

Re: Modifying Desktop Icons

> On 20 Jun 2024, at 20:52, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 22:56:33 +0530, Pranjal Singh wrote: >>> It runs regular Firefox after adding the -private-window flag. >>> >>> To get a MWE, I made these changes later: >>> - Exec=firefox -private-wi

Switch user causes screen to go blank

Greetings, When ones does a switch user from the application launch button then the screen goes blank and it stays that way until re-booted. This seems to have been introduced in Debian 12. Looking around there is no fix to this, only work arounds of varying effectiveness. One work around i

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 21/6/24 14:28, David Wright wrote: You could pronounce your time written above as: "It's Thu 20Jun2024 at 20:51:19 here, where clocks are UTC+10:00" Excellent. Now how do we get our MUA to do that when replying to mail, which is where I saw what I thought was a system error - but in f

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 20/6/24 21:19, The Wanderer wrote: On 2024-06-20 at 07:10, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 21:00:38 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/manpages-dev/strftime.3.en.html is a list of place names for MANY parts of a date layout. I have set up th

Re: RTC, was Re: System time/timezone

On 20/6/24 11:51, Max Nikulin wrote: On 20/06/2024 02:16, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: Servers in data centers don't move around, they just sit there :-) So in my experience servers running anything non-windows have RTC set to local time. That's been on Red Hat/CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu. My experi

Re: time display was: Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 18/6/24 00:56, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 16/6/24 23:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 06:13:36PM +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: It was late afternoon on 16Jun2024 that I wrote this. Possibly 18:13:36 when I pressed send. I'd reckon it wo

Re: Time, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 18/6/24 03:24, e...@gmx.us wrote: And I can never remember if the dot means AM or PM.  I suspect it changes between implementations, or maybe I'm just very slow. Probably only really meant to show us when we are setting an alarm at night, for the morning, that the dot is on one and off o

Re: Time, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 18/6/24 01:36, David Wright wrote: Along with 350M Americans! They even use just A and P over here. And a mere dot on digital clocks. (I see you've changed it already!) I've been using 24 hour time and dMMM for a long time. I used send international cheques as part of my work, and dec

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

On 18/6/24 21:02, Greg Wooledge wrote: In a previous message, you thought that your system clock or your time zone was set wrong, because you read one of the attribution lines of one of my replies, and you thought it said you had sent your message at the wrong time. As it turns out, I'm fairly