tats://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/
Best,
Steve
I give. You win. Can't startx or get info on error.
Startx says cant load screens, even though it finds them. Going back to
Mandrake. Thanks anyway. Big waste of time if system doesn't even want to
start.
Distrowatch has broken links to download Debian. Hope this is the right
way to report it.
Thanks. Steve
you've done here.
I would hope to have a constructive discussion about DebConf governance
while we are all together in a week at DebConf14. But I am dismayed by this
delegation right beforehand, which I think reflects a misunderstanding of
the actual problems that face the DebConf team.
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debconf.org/wiki/Miniconf-UK/2014
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5000.
Martin does mean $5,000. Different locales use different characters for
the thousands separator -- and I'm sure it's a tough habit to break when
writing in English.
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Oh, in case you got covered in that Repulsion Gel, here&#
attend, please visit the wiki page
at
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Miniconf-UK/2014
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afraid I'll miss my stop"
de.
This thread is not about whether we care about people being offensive
(which, btw, is terribly subjective). This thread is about whether the CoC
should be used to enforce people *not* being offensive.
And that is a very slippery slope with no bottom in sight.
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iour).
To what end?
The stated purpose of the CoC is to ensure that our conference is a safe
space for all members of the Debian community. In what way would a change
in approach to dealing with a violation after the fact, where the offender
is no longer at the conference, further that goal?
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ve explaining how this policy was
arrived at:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/10/msg00090.html
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g focused on Debian, then we can't
prevent them from doing so. But I don't understand why anyone would want to
misleadingly describe something as a "DebConf" if it's not about Debian
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blished in a well-known location?
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ne for travel
>reimbursements.
So that's a stupidly tight setup on their part, so what...? What
actual *problem* are you trying to solve in Debian by arbitrarily
reducing the limit for us?
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Google-bait: h
gt; time than I would like on financial stuff.
Assuming this is an open request for help and not directed at Sledge
specifically, I volunteer to join the auditor team.
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On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 11:26:25PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>On 06/10/14 at 20:38 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 12:38:31PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>> >On 06/10/14 at 12:07 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Both
under our constitution. There
are some times when letting every DD do their own thing is not the right way
to build a shared operating system. This may or may not be one of those
times; and I'm sure that some DDs will object to any compulsion by the
project, whether it's constitutional
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:05:56PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
>As last year's event went so well, I've decided to organise another
>mini-DebConf in Cambridge this year. Again, my employer ARM is going
>to host the conference for 4 days in November:
>
> * 2 days for
ues to serve as long as they are comfortable doing so.
Did you consider this corner case in your analysis? If you think this
corner case is less important than the risk of high turnover in the TC,
could you elaborate why you think this?
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r Java, I'm afraid I've taken to embedding the ABI version in the
> filename.
AKA: ELF shared library semantics, reinvented 20 years behind schedule.
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but it seems to be the best we've come up with
so far. People who complain about the value of ID checks never seem to
offer anything *better*, they only propose eliminating them and weakening
our standards.
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D
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 09:19:29AM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 10:57 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > I'm surprised no one else has brought up this point yet: part of the reason
> > for using cryptographic PKI (web of trust; SSL CAs; etc) is to elim
that it'll often be
happening in hours that don't suit at all - people pop on irc at the
worst times... :-)
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The two hard things in computing:
* naming things
* cache invalidation
* off-by-one errors
o access, but
https://wiki.debian.org is up and running.
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s
?
You may now delete all those files if you have all the ISO
images. They're just the jigdo working files that have been left
behind.
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"This dress doesn't reverse." -- Alden Spiess
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To UNSUBSCRIBE, e
it's
also likely to confuse people into looking there for pictures... :-)
Please reply and let's see if we can come up with a better name.
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 05:09:19PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hey folks,
> We called our main installer images distribution site
> cdimage.debian.org a long time ago, when that was all it published and
> most people downloaded images of CDs. Ummm. Things have moved on in
>
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 01:04:17PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 09:19:07AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Steve McIntyre writes:
>>
>> > We called our main installer images distribution site
>> > cdimage.debian.org a long time ago, w
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 08:34:56PM +0200, Hideki Yamane wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:15:46 +0200
>Steve Langasek wrote:
>> - get.debian.org
>
> I prefer this since easy to understand and type :)
I think it's a cool name, and my clear favourite thus far. :-)
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general how frequently
do these releases come out?
Many thanks for any planning guidance you can provide.
Steve Vogel
Program Manager, Data Center Group
Intel Corporation
780 Fifth Avenue, Suite 140
King of Prussia, PA 19406
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Office: 609-95
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 05:09:19PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>Hey folks,
>
>We called our main installer images distribution site
>cdimage.debian.org a long time ago, when that was all it published and
>most people downloaded images of CDs. Ummm. Things have moved on in
>the
ps://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/gb/2015/MiniDebConfCambridge
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"We're the technical experts. We were hired so that management could
ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs." -- Mike
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 03:24:03PM +0100, Paul Waring wrote:
>On 14/09/15 15:08, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> I'm also hoping to find sponsors again to cover some other costs for
>> the conference for things like food - please contact me if you can
>> help!
>
>I pr
for other clouds too). As far as I
>> know, this plan to also provide official Debian VM images was not
>> discussed with those parties.
>>
>> It's a bit a pity to see the existing efforts just discarded.
>
>I *really* hope that there is some kind of misunderstand
other names to use. Examples of URLs
>that would appear under this domain would be:
To me, they sound more like *metadata* maybe:
metadata.debian.{net,org} maybe?
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Who needs computer imagery when you've got Brian Blessed?
no cause for
accusing Ian of "white supremacy" when all the evidence suggests he desired
to see civil rights abuses corrected for the good of all. His memory
deserves better than this.
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nal
> poster has a whole bunch of misinformation (and I'm sorry that they had a
> bad experience with jessie), but I have no idea what this specific point
> could even mean.
My guess was that this was a reference to the availability of Debian images
for Microsoft Azure.
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e sensible to
>see placing an order for a few quilts with Burnett & Struth's ?
Could do, maybe. I was also up in Edinburgh a couple of weekends back
with Andy, and we spoke to one of the companies up there too. He's got
the details and I'll let him post more info... :-)
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d non-free firmware for some part of the
>system. We would basically only be able to certify RYF devices and may
>as well just require FSF RYF certification up-front before a system
>can be certified for Debian use.
Are you really claiming that systems already shipped with *firmware
included* can&#x
the wiki page history.
>
>Well, it's a bit awkward. And it just shows you the last edit, not
>the last time the user themselves thought it was up to date.
We can check for the last edit by the person in question, which should
cover that I hope!
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kporting.
>
> Ian.
>
> [1] The NHS has been seriously underfunded and can't afford to hire
> enough good IT people (or indeed enough medics); and there has been a
> drive to replace IT systems with massive centralised IT disaster
> projects, which has starved existing syste
lack of EANs for those products.
>
>6. This is without predjudice, of course, to our right to enforce our
>trademarks against anyone found violating our trademark policy. We
>are simply saying that lack of an EAN is, in itself, completely fine.
>
>Signed
>
>for the Debian P
or an hour or two while the
upgrade is in progress.
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Debian wiki admin - wiki.debian.org
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nting on the process. Removing the
opportunity to comment and the expectation of being listened to would make
for a much less frustrating process.
This doesn't address the question of Debian Developers feeling they haven't
been heard.
I'm hopeful that the other subthrea
er, the Technical Committee exists as a decision-making body of last
resort, when consensus is not possible (because two parties have
incompatible goals, or because discussion is not converging on agreement
fast enough to matter).
Do you believe that Debian should not have such a d
ment.
>>
>> Is there any issue to apply such policy to grub2 package, or just not
>> discussed yet?
>
>Either nobody's tried to discuss it with me yet or I missed the email.
>Feel free to (preferably in the form of a patch I can review :-) ).
At / shortly after th
.
Have you actually epoken to the anti-harassment team to enquire about
their actions and supporting evidence before calling their methods and
motivations into doubt here?
Also: not wishing to pile on, but I also believe that you linking
assassinations to the actions of the a-h team is downright tox
f anything else, this is not unconstitutional. The constitution
gives the DPL the power to delegate decisions about approving and expelling
developers; the DPL delegates this power to the DAM; thus any exercise of
this power is constitutional.
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it's not
>appropriate to use the planet to republish personal arguments or smear
>campaigns. Sure, that would also be against the CoC, but it will make it
>much more easier to remove posts that do things like that rather than
>having to rely on an interpretation of the CoC every
us, nobody is perfect. Accept it, learn from it and move on.
A mistake doesn't make you a *bad person*. What *does* cause problems
is repeated digressions and a refusal to improve behaviour. There's a
world of difference there.
[1] https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct
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On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 07:45:55AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
>>>>>> "Steve" == Steve McIntyre writes:
>
>Steve> For those trying to undermine it with statements like "I'm
>Steve> worried I'll be thrown out of Debian if I make a
lf.
>
>"before" or "instead" ?
"instead" is better, I think.
>> """
>
>It all sounds good.
Yup!
>> On #6 I was tempted to add "When a blog is removed, the committer should
>> add a comment listing the posts t
y
>> with Government censorship,
>
>This action was not performed by the community, but by an Official
>acting Debian's behalf. Consequently, it _was_ government censorship.
Rubbish. A refusal by Debian to publish on somebody's behalf is not at
all the same as gover
e will also be unjustly persecuted for doing something that he
didn't know was wrong. But just as with the #HimToo movement, this isn't
supported by the actual data. Over two decades of Debian history and
hundreds of white men, and only one has found himself expelled by the
project for th
't the change I was asking for as they
> mostly do it now. I was asking for something entirely different -
> transparency.
Should we also require a detailed opinion from the DAM for each person who
is admitted to the project, or only for those that were once admitted bu
ks on developers'
character, integrity, or technical competence
There is no expectation that everyone agree with every technical decision in
Debian. The only expectation is that they engage constructively in spite of
any disagreements.
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On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 01:47:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> On 1/7/19 10:57 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
> > > On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > > [systemd stuff]
> > > [sys
sidual decency
to not open their fat mouths and argue in public that people don't *deserve*
to have access to food and clean water, whereas there is a quite high number
of assholes who feel no shame at treating someone as less-than on the basis
of irrelevant intrinsic characteristics.
So, you know,
is
necessary in order to limit any ongoing damage.
If you don't understand this, then it is unsurprising to me if enforcement
escalates.
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gt;help us build a strong foundation to ensure our website reaches the right
>audience and ranks highly on search results.
>
>Feel free to reach out to me in case of any further questions.
>
>Looking forward to your cooperation.
>
>Regards,
>Vineet
>[]
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d money that shouldn't affect us so much. The areas in question
are those where we struggle to find any/sufficient volunteer effort to
do what we need - bureaucracy etc. Volunteer book-keepers are few and
far between, IME.
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"When C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb." -- Steven M. Haflich
, and
maybe warn people that some things cannot always be kept confidential.
We discussed some more about keeping / sharing contact lists with
other FLOSS/colunteer organisations. There clearly isn't a central
list here - could we work with others to make one for FLOSS orgs at
least? Should we add communi
as part of the upstream git repo(s)
somewhere else, for example. It's a good thing to encourage salsa
usage (and I agree 100% with that for most things), but let's not
argue about making things mandatory please.
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to
>Debian, that contribute in other areas as well, I might be persuaded
>otherwise.
Agreed on all of this.
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Is there anybody out there?
There seems to be a lot of such migrations. Is there a wholesale move to UBC?
Or away from Bytemark?
On October 7, 2019 3:52:47 a.m. CDT, Julien Cristau wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>We will move the coccia.d.o VM (aka api.ftp-master.d.o,
>mirror.ftp-master.d.o) from Bytemark to UBC soon. Expect a few
e expressing the views of the Community Team.
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ther respond to grouped things together than
spam the list N times here.
I hope I've responded to people's points reasonably in this summary;
If you think otherwise then please point it out.
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:08:55AM +0200, Mathias Behrle wrote:
>* Steve McIntyre: " C
..]
>
>> Adam
>> wrangling exim on behalf of DSA
>
>Thank you!
+1 - many thanks!
Running a large mail system is not any easy thing to do - it's really
appreciated. :-)
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"... the premise
at right.
Why does your chosen "world view" need defending inside Debian? Why
does your opinion trump somebody else's sense of identity?
You have the right to *think* whatever you like, but we ask that you
respect other people when you're trying to work with them or eng
you're ever unsure about how you're expressing something or whether
something crosses a line, or to be reassured that you are a valuable,
welcome member of the community, please drop us a line at
commun...@debian.org and we'll do what we can to assist.
[1]: https://www.debian.org/code_of
just reading about the same ruling on the BBC -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50858919)
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T people. If
> that's in conflict with Debian's code of conduct, so be it.
Seconded.
There is not room in the Debian Project for both me and transphobes, and I
would rather see the Debian Project end than be a safe haven for
transphobia.
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7;s private correspondence from 20 years ago.
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these questions seriously and would not
remain silent if we were aware something like what you describe was going
on. The parsimonious explanation is that the ex-DD who has now been engaged
in a campaign of harassment against members of the project for over a year
is materially misrepr
unnecessary negativity, in my opinion. It's
easy enough to simply announce an event *without* this. It's another
Debian event, we have lots of them every year. There's no need for
further complaint.
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Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky,
Tongue-tied & twisted, Just an earth-bound misfit, I...
On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 08:50:00PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>
>(There's also the wiki account lifecycle, but that's completely separate
>and doesn't interact with any of the others, so we might want to keep
>that outside the discussion for now.)
Agreed! (as a wiki
that doesn't mean it's guaranteed to
be the best possible way to communicate *ever*.
Hell, there's a strong confirmation bias here too - how many
potentially great future developers have we lost at a very early stage
because our email-centric workflow didn't appeal to them initially?
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You raise the blade, you make the change... You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane...
ng with individuals to help
> them.
>
>I need an ack from at least one member of the CT, a NACK from any member
>of the CT will be blocking, and of course comments from the larger
>community are welcome.
>
>If I get an ACK and no other blocking issues come up, my next ste
ortly, and we have another new volunteer who is going
through the onboarding process with us right now.
>In conclusion, I do not think this delegation is going to be effective
>in helping the CT become a sustainable and useful vehicle to better
>our community.
Thanks for your feedback.
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possible, but the biggest challenge is probably to
>get the right contact to talk with. Do we have such a contact ?
We do, yes. There's a Lenovo engineer working with a few people and
getting more involved in Debian atm.
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Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
use the install disk as an all around rescue disk.
You can - there's a "rescue mode" if you look in the boot menus...
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course, since many of them are Australians, you can't tell." -- Linus Torvalds
hfs where packages are
already installed directly. The two are incompatible.
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uld also
be elsewhere. You might struggle to get police to pick up the *case*,
but...
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< liw> everything I know about UK hotels I learned from "Fawlty Towers"
I use this
>service, and it happens just after I tried to create an account.
>
>I will wait a reply from www team.
Please mail w...@debian.org with details of your IP address and we can
help.
(You may want to drop the CCs elsewhere if you care about privacy).
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reate an account and I was
>blocked directly after account creation trying.
>
>Many thanks to the whole team.
>
>See you.
>
>JC
>
>On 14/08/2020 12:46, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
>Hi!
>
>On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:58:54AM +0200, JCZ wrote:
>
>Hello
Nod. The -team suffix works really well for me, similarly.
I'll be honest, it also gives me a warm fuzzy feeling about
namespace. :-) For me these days, lots of Debian work is concentrated
into teams so the -team suffix for groups helps to organise and
demonstrate that team structure.
he wiki at
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianNetDomains
but LDAP suggests that Ganneff might have once touched it.
Is anybody still in charge of the service? If not, maybe we should
shut it down or remove the DNS records for it rather than pretend it's
a good/safe place for our users.
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 07:58:33AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 7:34 AM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote:
>>
>> It's better to do something about
>> that up-front (ideally by provoking people to step up) than wait for
&g
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 07:17:30AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 6:33 AM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote:
>>
>> If not, maybe we should
>> shut it down or remove the DNS records for it rather than pretend it's
>> a
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:56:49PM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> Cancel "culture" arrived in Debian and it threatens the project:
https://davidblixtauthor.medium.com/cancel-culture-and-responsibility-b5b8065c3cbd
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Hey Donald,
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 01:32:32PM -0400, Donald Norwood wrote:
>On 3/29/21 11:03 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 07:58:33AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 7:34 AM Steve McIntyre <93...@d
about toxic
behaviour and attitudes on the forums. Simply put, bad behaviour there
is hurting users and giving Debian a bad name. Neither of those are
acceptable for a service that many of our users believe is part of
(and run by) Debian.
If anybody has contact details for the existing admins,
ting to expose anyone's
>contact details who may or may not want them so) so that the current admins can
>be involved, if they wish.
Thanks Martin, that's very helpful!
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There's no sensation to compare with this
Suspended animation, A state of bliss
ignore, I am sure it will not change your daily life in your
> > > team or in the project. Or wait some hours before doing it. But again,
> > > such
> > > wordings are unacceptable, regardless the topic itself and the ideas. Keep
> > > in mind you speak publicl
On Wed, Apr 07, 2021 at 07:44:01PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 01:23:11PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
>>...
>> Debian's diversity statement commits us to be welcoming to all people
>> regardless of who they *are*.
>>
>> It does *not
Internet,
the Free Software movement would not have taken off.
Should we therefore put Bill Gates on a pedestal due to his historic
contributions to the rise of Free Software, ignoring all negatives?
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are surely not going to fit those standards. Do you
somehow think they're compatible?
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You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me
ened outside the context of Debian
work, or that this individual had no opportunity to assault people inside of
Debian.
The same applies to other, "lesser" behaviors that invalidate the innate
dignity of other members of the project. A committment to keep one's mouth
shut in a Debian c
lled first and last name information also has this
>alias.
>
>This is not so important on my side but made me curious, so feel free to
>take plenty of time before answering.
It's using a fairly standard suffix rule, based on your username. You
can add + or -
stem that requires use of non-free
>components.
>
>Obviously packages in non-free don't need to comply with the DFSG, no
>matter whether including in the archive or on BluRay images.
Can we please stop exploring this rabbit hole until after the bullseye
release?
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ny further package updates
needed.
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