On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 07:45:55AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: >>>>>> "Steve" == Steve McIntyre <st...@einval.com> writes: > > Steve> For those trying to undermine it with statements like "I'm > Steve> worried I'll be thrown out of Debian if I make a single > Steve> mistake", please give it a rest already. These are basic > Steve> principles on how we want all people to interact. If you make > Steve> a mistake and do a bad thing, people will tell you and ask > Steve> you to re-word, apologise, whatever. > >Steve, I agree that the code of conduct is important. >I agree that some comments sound like they are undermining it or trying >to rehash old arguments. > >I think that's draining. > >However, I'd like to take a moment to ask all of us to empathize with a >common position. >We've seen two people who made significant technical contributions >expelled from the project. If you weren't paying a lot of attention, >there were no obvious public signs that a process was underway. > >Many members of our project have never had to interact with a concerned >DAM team or the sharper parts of our conflict resolution process. > >It's easy to worry that something will spiral out of control and you >will be ejected from a community that you've put a lot of your heart >into over the years. >As you say, we're all human and we all make mistakes. > >As humans it is natural to feel insecure when you see something like >this happen. > >Asking for reassurance that we'll be treated with compassion and >empathy, given a chance to understand what is going on and heard when >we speak our part of the story is natural. >THESE INSECURITIES AND ASKING FOR THAT REASSURANCE DOES NOT UNDERMINE >THE CODE OF CONDUCT.
Nod. Apologies if my message sounds insensitive here! There are some who I think might appear to be trying to undermine it, but I agree I'm being unfair. Thanks for the correction. >In this instance the insecurities are stronger because we're seeing >people ejected and claiming that they were not given those chances and >that they were surprised. > >To be clear, I am speaking from personal experience here. I think I've >made positive contributions to the project, and I know people over the >years have come to me when they had problems with what I did. >If I think about it rationally, I have confidence that I'd be given a >chance to learn and improve. >And yet I looked at this and wondered if I'd someday find myself the >subject of a surprise ejection. > >I was able to convince myself that my fear stems from how much I care >about Debian. I do have confidence that even if there are trouble it >can be worked through. For that matter, even if I found myself on the >out, I could respectfully work to get back in and improve the process. > >Yet I firmly support the code of conduct and the importance of creating >a safe space. > >I ask you to separate those who are trying to question the code of >conduct from those who are seeking a very natural reassurance. Agreed. Happy New Year to you and yours! -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. st...@einval.com "You can't barbecue lettuce!" -- Ellie Crane
