There is mol, which is packaged in debian, which should allow you to run your
OS X install in a separate screen on the debian install
apt-cache show mol for details (doesn't work with OS X 10.4 yet though)
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fer to hide
they do debian work.
That would be fair to everyone, and people may chose a consultant who is more
supportive of debian over those who don't want to advertize debian.
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 02:32:36PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 10:27:06PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Maybe we could do it both way, and split the listing into two lists, those
> > consultants that are ready to aknowledge debian, and those that pref
ky, though.
> (There may be some fun areas for Ian Murdock personally, if US
> law grants similar rights to one's own name as English law.)
I think the problem here is with the word "Core", which has some connotation
we cannot exclusively let to a random subgroup, independentl
it, and many
> are of the same opinion). Do you really think people will be so
> discouraged that they'll give up all together instead of just filing
> the Debian bug.
What about a mechanism for transparently forwarding a bug report to upstream
instead, in such a way that the link
On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 09:59:58AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> Le Lun 8 Août 2005 09:33, Sven Luther a écrit :
> > What about a mechanism for transparently forwarding a bug report to
> > upstream instead, in such a way that the link between the debian bug
> > report an
uch a bug, where to send it, and I request a CC to the
> #NNNN-forwarded address.
Problem is for upstream BTS, which don't support email CCs though, but i
believe even bugzilla can do that, altough in one of the ugliest way possible.
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but as in "core of
> several distributions based on Debian".
Well, the simple fact that it can and has been misinterpreted should make you
consider something else. The core as in "core of debian" seems more natural
and intuitive in any case.
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making yourself ridicoulous in front of the wider debian community.
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On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 06:30:46PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:12:44PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > > > We would be most glad then if you would stop trying to harm it by
> > > > invo
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:30:39AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This doesn't strike me as much different than loads of other inon-profit
> > associations
> > (maybe thisis a frenchisism though ?) do in all legallity, and i
- a business.
> >
> > More assertions.
>
> Assertions?
> That DUS is an enterprise?
What exactly is this DUS thingy you are all speaking about ? Is it the same as
Debian-UK under another name, or something else ?
If you insist on spamming the whole world with this, at least provid
ght help to point out that I'm not in the UK..
He, thanks, i didn't know that.
Anyway, if you are serious about getting this stuff cleared out, make a policy
proposal, but please stop this name calling non-sense.
If the proposal is good, it will either be adopted, or we can vote on this,
b
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 08:03:03AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:30:39AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > The debian trademark policy says no businesses get to use
> > > the mark. Why should this selling
fe.
> > > Either Debian's going to be a commercial entity or it's not.
> >
> > Debian is not a commercial entity just because it _also_ sells T-Shirts
> > and other stuff.
>
> Selling things is exactly what being a commercial entity means. :(
Bullshit. Please educate yourself.
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> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 07:52:40AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > > What makes it even worse is that on debian.org websites we claim to not
> > > sell product
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Nope, if you are really from the US, then your view on this is limited by
> > the
> > way you think there, and if not, no idea if you ever participated in
> >
ll in the same
> > category).
>
> No, they don't, but that's not what's at issue here and claiming it is
> shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue...
I have seen the word Trademark mentioned in a subject of a subthread here, so
...
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On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Let's say your paroquial association or housewife get-together association,
> > start to sell house-made cakes in order to finance the repainting or fixing
> >
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:33:55AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > > * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > Let's say your paroquial as
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 10:15:17AM +0100, Brett Parker wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 01:50:30AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Scripsit MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTE
arity context data for each package into the page of the
package, with an "how this info was obtained" kind of link to popcon ?
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way. This sounds a bit like a vancouver-kind meeting organisation, or gods
forbid, a Debian-Uk GM reunion :)
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apt sources so it should be transparent for you.
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Notice that as i understood this, the sound would be usefull post-install to
test the sound system, not during install, so the second posibility is more to
the point.
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to ideas that will make it easier for Debian users to use
> VMware. That's what they told me anyway.
Cool,
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On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 01:57:48PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 11:06:47AM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
>
> > This may have used to be the case, but should not be a problem anymore, we
> > have only one kernel per released a
since it hads some packages of dubious
legal standing, but this is only my interpretation).
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ou a lot to handle
this, and you should also know that you are don't necessarily need to be
subscribed to post to the debian-user list, altough it is more convenient to
do so.
The below procmail rule (to be added to your .procmailrc) should do :
:0:
* List-Id: .*debian-user
debian-user
Frie
a series of tests which can only be handled on
powerpc64, but no powerpc32 ? I know ubuntu has only powerpc64 machines, so it
is not as important to you, but debian is using 32bit autobuilders, and i
geuss in both case people would like to test and build the packages on
powerpc32 machines t
nts out, isn't very accessible.
Funny, from their email, i thought they where just the standard link exchange
spammers or something.
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i went to the linked site and found nothing
obviously debian related. I didn't search long though, and deleted the email.
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gt; mechanism whereby useful parts of -private can be made publicly
> available. Whether developers actually end up doing the work to make
> it publicly available comes later.
Yep.
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hes are being accessed or some other such big-brotherian
thingy :)
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 11:57:37AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> On 12/15/05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 01:06:51PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 01:57:12PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > >
heard of debian, and contributing back doesn't come
naturally to them, the issue is less with those maintainers ubuntu subverted
from debian, altough they may be hit by lack of time, which is an issue better
handled by doing the modification in debian and not ubuntu though, but may be
counte
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 12:46:41PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> On 12/15/05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Every "relevant" change put into the BTS would be nice, yes. Filing
> > > >
> > > > Notice that it is offic
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 12:55:45PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> On 12/15/05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > It is their choice to fork with (possibly) too small manpower to keep
> > > up.
> >
> > They could just as well do their chan
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 02:40:37PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 02:12:35PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > That said, it may be different for ubuntu employees and random
> > maintainers.
>
> Ubuntu does not have any employees.
Those guys that get mone
loudly to the submitter if the URL is bogus :). Sounds like a nice
idea in need of someone implementing it.
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 03:00:26PM +, Andrew Saunders wrote:
> On 12/15/05, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ubuntu is setup internally to circumvent social charges
>
> I don't understand this statement. Could you please explain what you mean?
I
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 10:00:22PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> (I just got the mails to utnubu-discuss, so bear with me)
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 15.12.2005, 15:39 +0100 schrieb Sven Luther:
> > The process was to be manually though, the idea is to scan incoming
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 10:19:58PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 15.12.2005, 16:13 -0500 schrieb Joey Hess:
> > Joachim Breitner wrote:
> > > I don't think there is much gain - an attached patch is not much better
> > > than a link, and might annoy people with limited
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 03:26:09PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > I have no idea how ubuntu works internally, but my believe, since they
> > (canonical) pay people all around the world, and they don't have structures
> > locally to do the official hirin
'sneaker-net' approach for performing upgrades.
...
I was using this for a couple of years before i got internet connection at
home back in the late 90s.
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way around, so maybe just bad communication ?
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On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 12:34:30PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:52:20AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> >> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060108 11:12]:
> >> > There where two fully independent issues here
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 06:46:39PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > If we are going to do this, we obviously need to find out a strong framework
> > how this is supposed to work, and all need to follow the same schema.
> Upstream hasn't done this. I
use to believe they were
> coded by hand in binary.
Indeed.
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ubuntu install done.
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On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> > > I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Debian,
> &g
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 10:54:40AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:35:55PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Arg, and to make matters worse, this discussion is CCed to a
> > closed-moderated-list, Matt, this is really not a friendly way to have a
> >
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 10:46:51AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > > In practice, it doesn't work out to mean the same thing, however. Most o
o do uploads to ubuntu also ? How many is most in this case ?
Do they also know about it ? I mean i was never proposed to make ubuntu
maintenance of my packages for example, so i wonder how this works.
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> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 01:53:26AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> >> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >>
random x86 box, you will probably get
more from your money and better debian support.
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:37:31AM +0100, Xavier Roche wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Nope, but i think those who try to hide the issue of non-free material in
> > main, by insisting that it is not software
>
> Fonts or documentations are not soft
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 10:55:57AM +0100, Xavier Roche wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > Fonts or documentations are not softwares, for god's sake!
> > everything that is not hardware is software
>
> So a cat is a software, or a hardware ? Do
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:35:02AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:22:07AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > I want to remind you all, that previous to the two GRs which clarified the
> > meaning of what we must consider free, we had a widely disputed GR on the
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:23:41AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:57:01PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:35:02AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > > That's not correct. The project simply voted not to removed it at that
>
guess that
almost everyone understood what i was trying to say though.
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:43:27PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:54:23PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > No, like chosing ati over nvidia for graphic cards, or silicon image over
> > others for SATA cards.
>
> Wait a minute, did I miss a memo? ATI is
ressources. Let's keep the poll for technical decisions, instead of using it
for kinder-garten-like finger-pointing.
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any kind of pressure and strategic choices can be made if they
are open, not that this would be the case for us, us being all nice folk and
everyone, but everyone can read those public poll information, and some of
those may be less nice :)
I strongly vote for this idea in any case.
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 04:03:09PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > [ Reply-to debian-project ]
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > given the size of the project, it's very difficult for any of us to
sfied.
Furthermore, the copyright file is the canonical place where licencing and
copyright information are held, so it is the natural place to hold this, and
not some random subdir like you propose.
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who happens to dislike another one or whatever.
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On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 08:15:29PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The only real way to handle this, is to modify the expulsion process,
> > and to start the process not with a public or private lynching process,
> > but w
ss vulnerable to this.
I personally am on both networks, and probably won't notice much, but the
private /query problem sure has been a pain.
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is (still) less vulnerable to this.
> Currently spam is not a major issue. OFTC AFAIK is currently not a
> target of turkish kiddies, but this could change any day like it
> happened to freenode.
Indeed. The sheer size of freenode makes it a tempting target though.
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On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:45:46PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote on 01/05/2006 08:21:
> > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:20:09AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> >
> >>The reason that I did not inform you was because things were already very
> >>heated at t
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:52:15AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:06:32AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:45:46PM +0200, Sven Mueller wrote:
> > > Sven Luther wrote on 01/05/2006 08:21:
> > > > On Mon, May 01, 2006
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:38:11PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 03:42:31PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:52:15AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:06:32AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> btw, it
were yours, violating your
> one-email-per-day-per-thread policy.
So, it is clear that you didn't read what i wrote, which in the past prompted
me to repeat myself. You say this behavior is not acceptable, so, what do you
propose instead ?
So, is this like i am supposed to behave in
On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 11:19:18PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 10:49:51PM +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > 2) on april 28, a week ago, i made the following proposal to Steve
> > McIntyre,
> > who the DPL delegated to s
On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 11:40:59PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 11:33:15PM +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 11:19:18PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 10:49:51PM +0200, Sv
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 04:38:31PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> As I suspect you're all already aware, on 27th April, Sven Luther asked
> me to review the situation with d-i and powerpc as a result of finding
> his commit access to the d-i repository had been r
s doomed in the first place, and the tone of
your above mail only confirms this.
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On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:31:09PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 01:56:42PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > So, three weeks of lost time, and the lack of a neutral and transparent
> > meditation attempt means this was doomed in the first place,
>
> M
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:57:13PM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-10 14:43]:
> > he defaulted to follow the d-i team's position without giving any
> > valable explanation, and clearly pointed that he considered the
> > T
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 11:18:11PM -0500, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Frans and Colin dropped from Cc's, -boot and -powerpc Bcc'ed only;
> please avoid crossposting.
Indeed, debian-project may be more adapted for this.
> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 11:14:39AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 11:24:47PM -0500, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:40:08PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Altough you are wrong, aj didn't really give a official position,
>
> To be clear: I gave my position, as DPL. That isn't the final positio
On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 06:59:40PM -0500, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Mon, 15 May 2006, Sven Luther wrote:
> > In a case of real-life situtation, i believe this could be similar to
> > harcelement in order to have someone resign, and would probably not stand in
> > court. H
o not agree with these statements for the reasons outlined in:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=366938;msg=50
/me is awaiting with impatience the fix to partman-prep on PReP and IBM CHRP
machines.
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On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:07:38AM -0500, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 11:26:09PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > The d-i team were acting under the belief that you no longer wished to
> > > work on d-i after a number of conflicts in the past [0]; they then s
#x27;re smoking that makes you think that.
>
> I was extremely sceptical about Anthony's ability to function socially
> as DPL, but I have to say that what we have seen of his handling of
> this case is nothing short of admirable.
You must have a really strange definition of
tly what to do an how to handle this.
>
> So unless someone else here knows better what to do this is probably
> the best thing to do. Altho maybe it should be raised with
> debian-legal@lists.debian.org first?
I believe SPI may be more appropriate in this case, not sure though, as they
seem to be germany-based.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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hat he has a kernel not supported by the new udev,
and to propose to either abort the install (default, as it does now), or
continue the upgrade, with the thought that udev may well be a mess until the
next upgrade.
This is a rather easy task for someone with the time for it, and thus perfect
for a BSP p
nd well, it if is abused or whatever, you can take it back anytime you
want.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 10:59:36AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 07:50:23AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Anthony, ...
> > I would like to hear your comment on the possibility to override the need
> > for
> > NEW for the creation of some new bin
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 10:21:13AM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 08:15:42AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Now, the remaining question that has me baffled is how you reconcile the
> > factof waiting for NEW, with the 'vitality' part of your DPL plat
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 01:27:40AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 08:15:42AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 10:59:36AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 07:50:23AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > >
est for
comment from our DPL and ftp-master about the subject. Whatever you say you
meant or not, the fact alone that we had that discussion proves there is
something un-neat about the NEW handling, and i wanted our DPLs opinion on
this, in light of his electoral plateform.
Friendly,
Sven Luthe
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 11:06:29AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 11:15:35PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Maybe, or maybe not, but you cannot deny that the actual NEW situation is
> > satisfactory.
>
> Heh.
>
> > And actually, what i intent
eard
any real argument against it.
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y won't
work anymore with the new kernel.
In this aspect, it is similar of libraries embedding their sonames.
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On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 11:00:23AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-02 08:27]:
>
> > I personally volunteer for this for doing kernel related NEW work, but i
> > guess
> > someone else can be found if you don't judg
On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 08:43:27PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 08:20:19AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > And actually, what i intented to say was that there where three points
> > > > which
> > > > made me consider this a g
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