Hi,
as there haven't been any more comments about the new policy for one week,
I've updated the webpage accordingly.
Thanks to everyone who has participated in the discussion.
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Tobias
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Tobias Toedter wrote:
Hi,
Hi Tobias
[...]
So this is my proposal, including all modifications mentioned above:
Policy for Debian's consultants page
1. Mandatory contact information
You must provide a working e-mail address and answer e-mails sent to you
Hi,
I think we should rephrase item #1, it sounds quite harsh right now.
Furthermore, I suggest to drop the second item of the policy, because its
motivation was that every consultant has to list two other means of
contact, chosen from the list. We've dropped that requirement, so I think
that
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Tobias Toedter wrote:
| On Thursday 10 February 2005 19:42, Luk Claes wrote:
|
|>>I've removed the controversal bits (website and nearest city) from the
|>>policy. Would this version be alright to use?
|>
|>No, because than the 'Some parts of the consul
Luk Claes wrote:
> No, because than the 'Some parts of the consultant's information can be
> removed if they don't comply with this policy anymore.' is too weak
> unless there is mentioned that the consultant with an URL has to explain
> his/her consultant work on that URL, IMHO.
I would prefer no
On Thursday 10 February 2005 19:42, Luk Claes wrote:
> > I've removed the controversal bits (website and nearest city) from the
> > policy. Would this version be alright to use?
>
> No, because than the 'Some parts of the consultant's information can be
> removed if they don't comply with this poli
On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:06:10AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> On Thursday 10 February 2005 10.39, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> > Adrian von Bidder:
> > > what type of traffic do you expect on the list
> > > when consultants are force-fed it?
> >
> > I don't know about you, but I detected a bit of
On Thursday 10 February 2005 10.39, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> Adrian von Bidder:
> > what type of traffic do you expect on the list
> > when consultants are force-fed it?
>
> I don't know about you, but I detected a bit of sarcasm ... :)
Ouch. I honestly did write this as a real question - but now,
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Tobias Toedter wrote:
| Hi,
Hi
| I've removed the controversal bits (website and nearest city) from the
| policy. Would this version be alright to use?
No, because than the 'Some parts of the consultant's information can be
removed if they don't comply
Hi,
I've removed the controversal bits (website and nearest city) from the
policy. Would this version be alright to use?
Policy for Debian's consultants page
1. Mandatory contact information
Working e-mail address (reply within four weeks at maximum)
M
On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 10:32:45AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> On Thursday 10 February 2005 08.55, Stefan Schleifer wrote:
> > shouldn't be a subscription to [EMAIL PROTECTED] a requirement
> > for the listing on the webpage then? maybe we get more traffic on the
> > list.
>
> I'd rather the
On Thursday 10 February 2005 08.55, Stefan Schleifer wrote:
> Tobias Toedter wrote:
> > On Tuesday 08 February 2005 23:30, MJ Ray wrote:
> >>Has the debian-consultants list been told about this discussion?
> >
> > No, I didn't send my initial mail to that list. I've looked at the
> > archives and i
Tobias Toedter wrote:
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 23:30, MJ Ray wrote:
Has the debian-consultants list been told about this discussion?
No, I didn't send my initial mail to that list. I've looked at the archives
and it seemed to me that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is more or less dead. It mostly
consis
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:08:56AM -0800, Chris Waters wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:39:22AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 06:24:14PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
>
> > > Please also allow for multiple locations. I am almost as much in
> > > Munich and Berlin as I am
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:35:03AM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote:
> * point out that a URL need not be provided
> * request that URLs that are provided link to a site which contains at
> least some description of the consulting service offered
> * /suggest/ that explicit mention of Debian and a link
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:39:22AM -0800, Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 06:24:14PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> > Please also allow for multiple locations. I am almost as much in
> > Munich and Berlin as I am in Zurich, so I could also easily meet
> > with potential clients there.
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 21:35, Nick Phillips wrote:
> > 3. Website
> > If an URL is provided, the consultant must mention their
> > Debian-related work on the website. The Debian distribution must be
> > mentioned explicitly, together with a link to www.debian.org.
>
> There was clearly no c
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 23:30, MJ Ray wrote:
> Tobias wrote:
> > there hasn't been any more input to this thread for quite a while now,
> > so I gathered all opinions expressed so far and did a (partial) rewrite
> > of the new policy for the consultants webpage.
>
> This very-slight rewrite doe
martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Matt Kraai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.09.1239 +0100]:
This has been prohibited in the past. I'm not sure why; I suspect to
prevent consultants from having an entry for every country.
I suppose this is a fair argument. Maybe it could be required to
produce proof
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:54:15PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Matt Kraai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.09.1239 +0100]:
> > This has been prohibited in the past. I'm not sure why; I suspect to
> > prevent consultants from having an entry for every country.
>
> I suppose this is a f
also sprach Matt Kraai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.09.1239 +0100]:
> This has been prohibited in the past. I'm not sure why; I suspect to
> prevent consultants from having an entry for every country.
I suppose this is a fair argument. Maybe it could be required to
produce proof of a flat in thes
On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 06:24:14PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Tobias Toedter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.08.1737 +0100]:
> > The consultant should include a region where they reside (this is
> > probably the nearest big city in most cases), so that the
> > information can be group
Tobias wrote:
> there hasn't been any more input to this thread for quite a while now, so I
> gathered all opinions expressed so far and did a (partial) rewrite of the
> new policy for the consultants webpage.
This very-slight rewrite does not seem to incorporate the
opinions about the geographic
* Nick Phillips ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050208 21:40]:
> And besides, as discussed before, it is perfectly possible that they
> have a reasonable reason for not mentioning Debian explicitly, but are
> still able to provide an excellent service to *our users*.
Agreed. Like, for example, if they hired
On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 05:37:15PM +0100, Tobias Toedter wrote:
> There has been much discussion about the requirement of a link back to
> www.d.o on the consultant's website. Just to make this absolutely clear: No
> consultant will be required to *operate* a website and to link back to
> Debia
also sprach Tobias Toedter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.08.1843 +0100]:
> > Please also allow for multiple locations. I am almost as much in
> > Munich and Berlin as I am in Zurich, so I could also easily meet
> > with potential clients there...
>
> I don't see a problem with that.
Right now, I a
On Tuesday 08 February 2005 18:24, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Tobias Toedter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.08.1737 +0100]:
> > The consultant should include a region where they reside (this is
> > probably the nearest big city in most cases), so that the
> > information can be grouped geog
also sprach Tobias Toedter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.08.1737 +0100]:
> The consultant should include a region where they reside (this is
> probably the nearest big city in most cases), so that the
> information can be grouped geographically, if needed.
Please also allow for multiple locations.
Hi,
there hasn't been any more input to this thread for quite a while now, so I
gathered all opinions expressed so far and did a (partial) rewrite of the
new policy for the consultants webpage.
There has been much discussion about the requirement of a link back to
www.d.o on the consultant's w
* Todd Troxell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050121 17:45]:
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 08:33:14PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 01:02:51AM -0500, Todd Troxell wrote:
> >
> > > > Where in the Social Contract does it say anything about "seeking
> > > > publicity"
> > > > or "winning
On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 08:33:14PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 01:02:51AM -0500, Todd Troxell wrote:
>
> > > Where in the Social Contract does it say anything about "seeking
> > > publicity"
> > > or "winning over new users"? If and when those aims get in the way of
> >
* Nick Phillips ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050121 08:40]:
> Given that the publisher of a website claims to support debian systems,
> whether or not that website mentions debian specifically has absolutely
> no relationship to their ability or desire to provide a professional,
> appropriate, good-value,
On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 01:02:51AM -0500, Todd Troxell wrote:
> > Where in the Social Contract does it say anything about "seeking publicity"
> > or "winning over new users"? If and when those aims get in the way of
> > helping our users and/or free software (as they would here), then they
> > are
On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 11:57:20PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 05:24:25PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Tobias Toedter wrote:
> > > 3. Website
> > > If an URL is provided, the consultant must mention their Debian-related
> > >
On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 05:24:25PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Tobias Toedter wrote:
> > 3. Website
> > If an URL is provided, the consultant must mention their Debian-related
> > work on the website. The Debian distribution must be mentioned
> > ex
Luk writes:
> Normally it should be possible to find the region when you know the
> 'close big city', nothing prevents someone to mention more than one
> 'close big city'.
My nearest 'close big city' is St. Paul, Minnesota but I am in the state of
Wisconsin. If I say I'm in Wisconsin most people
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Peter Vandenabeele wrote:
| On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 06:35:49PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
|
|>I dislike the "nearest big city" idea, though. I live and
|>work in an area with a small city nearby and then four bigger
|>cities surrounding me. Most of my work co
On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 06:35:49PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> I dislike the "nearest big city" idea, though. I live and
> work in an area with a small city nearby and then four bigger
> cities surrounding me. Most of my work comes from the nearest
> and furthest of those cities. Grouping by English reg
Thank you for summarising the policy. Most of the points seem
good. I'd prefer alternative contact details being optional
rather than required.
I dislike the "nearest big city" idea, though. I live and
work in an area with a small city nearby and then four bigger
cities surrounding me. Most of my
Marc Haber wrote:
> > If they politely ask to link to them and we refuse because there is
> > no proper mention of Debian that's fine. No? Why not?
>
> Of course Debian can. It would, however, a bad decision. Don't go that
> way.
I don't understand why a company may be allowed to reject the pro
Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We do regard licenses with advertising clauses as non-free, don't we?
Nope. There's 4-clause BSD code in main.
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On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 05:52:01PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Umh... The company can't force us on linking to their website either.
Right.
> If they politely ask to link to them and we refuse because there is
> no proper mention of Debian that's fine. No? Why not?
Of course Debian can. It
Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 05:35:32PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > If you want to be listed on www.debian.org it's only fair to require
> > that a link to www.debian.org is somewhere on your website as well.
>
> You can't force things. If we politely ask people to link back, t
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Marc Haber wrote:
| On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 05:35:32PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
|
|>If you want to be listed on www.debian.org it's only fair to require
|>that a link to www.debian.org is somewhere on your website as well.
|
|
| You can't force thin
On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 05:35:32PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> If you want to be listed on www.debian.org it's only fair to require
> that a link to www.debian.org is somewhere on your website as well.
You can't force things. If we politely ask people to link back, that's
ok. But I don't think
Am Sonntag, den 16.01.2005, 17:30 +0100 schrieb Marc Haber:
> > > >If an URL is provided, the consultant must mention their
> > > > Debian-related
> > > >work on the website. The Debian distribution must be mentioned
> > > >explicitly, together with a link to www.debian.org.
> > >
>
Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Tobias Toedter wrote:
> > 3. Website
> > If an URL is provided, the consultant must mention their Debian-related
> > work on the website. The Debian distribution must be mentioned
> > explicitly, together with a link to www.debi
On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 05:30:37PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 05:28:33PM +0100, Noèl Köthe wrote:
>> Am Sonntag, den 16.01.2005, 17:24 +0100 schrieb Marc Haber:
>>> On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Tobias Toedter wrote:
3. Website
If an URL is provided
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Marc Haber wrote:
> Because we are not in a position to influence our consultant's web
> site policy. Companies might do general Linux stuff, and wouldn't want
Yes, we are, if we want to. In fact, it could be argued that if you want to
be listed on the Debian consultants list
On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 05:28:33PM +0100, Noèl Köthe wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 16.01.2005, 17:24 +0100 schrieb Marc Haber:
> > On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Tobias Toedter wrote:
> > > 3. Website
> > >If an URL is provided, the consultant must mention their Debian-related
> > >wo
Am Sonntag, den 16.01.2005, 17:24 +0100 schrieb Marc Haber:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Tobias Toedter wrote:
> > 3. Website
> >If an URL is provided, the consultant must mention their Debian-related
> >work on the website. The Debian distribution must be mentioned
> >ex
On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 02:41:06PM +0100, Tobias Toedter wrote:
> 3. Website
> If an URL is provided, the consultant must mention their Debian-related
> work on the website. The Debian distribution must be mentioned
> explicitly, together with a link to www.debian.org.
I do not like that
Hi,
back in November 2004, Noèl Köthe came up with a suggestion for a policy
regarding the addition of entries to the Debian consultants list [1]. There
has been a discussion about his proposal, and quite a few people
contributed valuable additions to the policy.
We, the team sitting behind [E
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