g I see as a recurring pattern in
the way you participate in Debian interactions.
Is this something you'd acknowledge and would be willing to work on?
Enrico
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acceptable to you, that would not require traveling and meeting face
to face?
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of the first line,
and some messages make me furious. Socially we might able to express
that in a way that feeds into the quality and direction of discussions,
but technically, we currently cannot.
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I can manage,
or I'll stop managing it.
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"peer review" like the one I just had, on a list. Discourse
seems like it might be a venue for peer review that wouldn't make me
feel like leaving the project after a couple of days of interaction.
Enrico
[0] https://dep-team.pages.debian.net/deps/dep0/
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progress at https://salsa.debian.org/debsso-team/oidc
Anyone who would like to help, please get in touch!
Enrico
[1] https://salsa.debian.org/bisco-guest/nacho
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ia key) and random names, in one way or
> the other.
The official membership status synced from nm.debian.org can, with some
work, be made visible in the user's page.
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 09:40:45AM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> If you or someone else eventually will manage to introduce a Single Sign
> On system that would take us to a next step of being able to advocate
> developers, take packaging actions, update the ssh key you use to access
>
all via a web interface, I really look forward to
that!
That's not what we're trying to do here. We're not there now, and it's
not going to change with introducing Salsa as an OIDC provider.
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ot getting in your way. Can you give me a good, practical
reason why you seem want me to stop with that?
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A gets to refuse (and
does refuse) account names arbitrarily without providing explanations
even when we ask, and we suck it up and deal with it. This is not
something we outside DSA can change, and it's not something I expect
will change.
Enrico
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On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 04:06:25PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote:
> Another view point: I don't think that one's username should change as
> one's role(s) with the organization changes. If we could avoid that...
Agreed!
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future.
I am not at all in the mood for any of that, though, while I find myself
starting responding to users' requests for help by apologising for the
state things are.
Enrico
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ving a corresponding one in LDAP, see
20200408130828.izn7jdyufch7k...@enricozini.org
Enrico
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em wouldn't be having moved to Salsa as an OIDC
provider, and rather that the next step that is proposed wouldn't be
bringing enough compelling advantages to the problem at hand.
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dd some visible information to
the user's page, synced from nm.debian.org, about their official
membership status: we can totally have that.
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l, the use case of "grant a person
permission based on their status, which is somehow revoked or blocked if
the status goes away" becomes something we might not be able to do.
In my opinion this change, rather than opening a new problem, fixes an
old, nasty one instead.
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asy way I'm not aware of, then I'm fine with it.
I checked with waldi, and with some extra work it is possible to add
some visible information to the user's page, synced from nm.debian.org,
about their official membership status.
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nvesting energy in solving problems that we
really have, though, so I'm curious: do you have specific reasons in
mind for asking to preserve the "-guest" enforcement on Salsa?
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t convinced me that what we are proposing
would make it more broken, or would prevent further opportunities for
moving on.
If no serious blockers show up, in a few days I would start to go ahead.
Enrico
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t; moderation is that the team can respond to aspects of the signup
> email, welcoming the applicant with pointers to documentation,
> suggestions of ideas on how to help, mailing lists to join and so on.
I defer to Salsa people for this part.
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rovide user exports? As unfortunate as
> it
> is that alioth's DB is now a flat-file managed by hand, it provides a very
> simple and easy way to import all of that data.
Gitlab does indeed provide user exports: some more details are in the
"Exit strategy" part of the proposal Waldi posted.
Enrico
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"-guest".
I still don't see how the Salsa proposal makes adoption of a new system
harder than what we have now: removing one user database and introducing
a mapping between the remaining two, seem to me to make further
adoptions actually easier.
Enrico
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ting to
> > it?
>
> No, just to migrate accounts
Could you give some more detail of what you mean?
Enrico
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nable status quo.
As a side effect of an interim on Salsa, services can begin to migrate
from client certificates to OIDC, switching to a mode widely used,
usable, and flexible standard, which I wouldn't be surprised if it would
make things easier when moving to something else later on.
Enri
mentation with other systems rather than blocking it.
Question: is there something in the proposed Salsa plan that somehow
blocks experimenting with, introducing, or migrating to Keycloak in the
future?
Enrico
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intain long-term,
blocked by something that risks getting us stuck with sso.d.o for
another bunch of years until we get it right, and possibly ending up
being maintained long term by a team with a dwindling bandwidth and bus
factor.
Enrico
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nd eventually can
help to shape it.
I don't mean for this to be specific to the FTP team. I guess this
thread gave me an opportunity to voice my more general thoughts.
Enrico
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ponsor DebConf, for which I'm grateful, but still
fails to officially support Debian on it :-/
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ion shouldn't be public, to avoid applicants to
build an expectations of a bare minimum work required and then get angry
at the AM if the AM feels like asking more than that, but it could be,
for example, a monthly post to the am@ alias.
Enrico
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this: saying "you didn't need to do this" feels to me like
arbitrarily undervaluing someone's work, and maybe the person really
found it important to do it.
I would be very much interested in reasoning about this.
Enrico
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re everyone can feel
included and accepted, is nominally the responsibility of everyone in
the community. In practice, however, it is *primarily* the
responsibility of the people who are *in a position of privilege and
power* within that community.
Enrico
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uot;, and work and life go on without
even a significant break of the flow.
Enrico
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nt from
what was suggested.
We might of course find it helpful or important, depending on cases, to
reach out to the reporter(s) or other people involved to discuss
possible course of actions.
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On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 01:40:34PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> Posting draft team missions where one has to read between the lines
> about possible institutional conflicts and other unsaid issues, is
> emphatically /NOT/ a way to build trust within the project.
To make it clear: I
to read things between
the lines in a discussion like this one. Not when power is involved. Not
when trust is involved.
Enrico
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acknowledge and keep in mind that the name does sound
ambitious, and as a consequence I'd expect you all to be extremely
careful in all team descriptions and team actions to make it clear that
you are /a/ community team, not /the/ community team.
Enrico
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27;s become
sort of my expectation that for each upload that I make I need to
plan some nontrivial yak shaving time to figure out which of my
assumptions have become invalid since the last one
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talking and harassing them.
Enrico
[1]
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-being-obsessed-with-someone-and-being-in-love-with-them
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alone in Debian, and
always have a few friends/teammates at hand you're comfortable with,
who can help you weather a bad day, or support you and help you to
respond if you find yourself on the receiving end of something
unpleasant.
[5] There would be the team mailing list or IRC channel, but sometimes
one could use some confidentiality.
[6] *sends a mail*
"Failure to assume good faith!"
*takes one penalty card*
[7] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/
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Joerg, Jonny,
Christmas was so much fun, lets do it all again
Hang some developers over the side of the ship for a good shakedown
and make them give us all their Easter eggs
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happen, but given that we have waived the time
limit for the cases in the last 6 months, we have potentially
overlapping time frames now.
Enrico who unfortunately cannot run this kind of procedure through
valgrind --tool=helgrind
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starting the later appeal is delayed until after the committee has
finished voting on the previous ones.
Enrico
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ch we can give for granted that everyone
understands that using slurs counts as insulting.
Enrico
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in anonymous. Please let me know who initiated this
> procedure.
I hope this helps make sense of our decision.
Enrico
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uld be considered as not
being a part of our users. Is that a common understanding?
Enrico
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alid over time, because they expire or because they are not
replaced when needed, move to "removed" status after a while.
Enrico
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ur feed can't be on Planet Debian, full stop". And
if the team at some point loses the trust of the project, we look for a
new team.
Enrico
[1]: I don't really care about each and every single release of GNU R
libraries or of Gammu, or about the lists of last month's Free Software
activities of a self-selected group of people. But then I avidly read
nageru's news and intricate development details even though I know I'll
never use it myself. Le cœur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît
point.
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HeaderMiddleware example)
- Create the model and CRUD pages for the extra info you want to
maintain about developers, with ForeignKey to
django.contrib.auth.get_user_model()
- Export your data with django-rest-framework
Enrico
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mentaryGid is a multi-value field.)
>
> Comments/suggestions/concerns?
As far as I'm concerned, go for it. I do check gidNumber on
nm.debian.org in a couple of places, and I'll happily fix it.
Enrico
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On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:50:36PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> In nm.debian.org's nightly maintenance I run a lot of code that computes
> differences between these data sources, so we have the capability of
> tracking things, and the possibility of manually tweaking nm.debian.org
&
ther people interested in working on
it.
[1] nm.debian.org needs to have the first/middle/last name split that
LDAP has, so I need to work out that split from full names in key
UIDs, among other things, which is nontrivial:
http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-program
still
> more to be done before this is complete. There's a vague plan to get
> this done during DebConf if not before.
And indeed that'd be the way forward as I see it: reduce the need for
manual intervention as much as possible, so that routine takes care of
itself, and manual i
resting
deployment and distribution workflows, with d-i images, live images,
preinstalled tarballs, docker contains or what have you.
And then it gets deployed and it's a standard Debian, well known, with
clean upgrade paths and security support.
Enrico
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people listed there are
sitting there doing nothing. I like that Jonathan's mail was worded as
an invitation to offer help.
Enrico
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k connection, would instead default to the
heavier/more-feature-complete desktop.
Enrico "either way, I use lxde :P"
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coming a Debian Developer normally comes naturally after one has been
contributing to Debian for a while.
Ciao,
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microphone or webcam device?
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nnounced to debian-devel-announce.
Ciao,
Enrico
[1] https://contributors.debian.org/sources/
[2] Especially helpful and polite direct contact, rather than direct
contact to the head with a knobby stick :)
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ad-hoc bit of contributors.debian.org. I don't see
anything technically difficult here.
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ell others to migrate if they see a 1024 key around.
After another month or two, we can start taking keys off the keyring,
starting from the less active people, and announcing each batch of
removed keys to d-d-a.
Ciao,
Enrico
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On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:20:02AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
> Some more changes are needed for sso.debian.org; as a consequence we
> expect logged-in access not to work from sometimes tonight (UTC) until
> late afternoon tomorrow (UTC).
Today things did not happen as we planned yest
having its first data sources added, and I would
consider its numbers to be grossly underestimated
[2] my personal favourite being http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubbernecking
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My current understanding, though, at least
looking at the people I know, is that contributors tend to be already
subscribed without needing to be explicitly told.
Ciao,
Enrico
[1]
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/nm/trunk/nm-templates/nm_pp2.txt?view=markup
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ing that we may do as a project to address the
political side of the matter, is to add to our technical decision a list
of things that we wish our upstreams would do to make all our lives
easier in the future.
Ciao,
Enrico
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VM (or a copy of the server's
apache configuration), and apt-get.
We are a distribution, and already we do very good integration work.
Ciao,
Enrico
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> requirement could also be mentioned in the document I suggested earlier.
I think we already have something very close to this description here:
https://wiki.debian.org/Services
Ciao,
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ne would get rid of a significant percentage of
potential harassment here. I would assume that Google is an entity
we can talk with, with a reasonable hope of success.
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interesting
people to recruit. If you are a Debian Developer and looking for a
job, you can reach them using the contacts below:
Google:
Facebook:
Amazon:
Canonical:
...
and so on.
Comments?
Ciao,
Enrico
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his being usefully picked up anytime soon.
Ciao,
Enrico
[1] http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/05/no_smoking_sign.php
[2] and a procmail filter handling mail with such a signature appropriately
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mistakes
of that kind from you will not be tolerated, as far as I am concerned.
[1] http://www.debian.org/devel/dmup
Ciao,
Enrico
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ces that work in that
way see very little involvement from me.
In the latter, I'm happy to participate and take my chances, because I
know that if I screw up I can learn something from my mistakes, grow up
and do better next time.
Ciao,
Enrico
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out spending enough time understanding the
requirements, and agreeing on them.
Ciao,
Enrico
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ay
occasionally slip into a childish behaviour on the occasional bad day,
and often all that is required to recover is a friend who kindly gives
the right feedback.
Ciao,
Enrico
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l the
backlog, and I've just uploaded the reviewed tag data, well in time for
Wheezy.
I know some people were frustrated by the lack of migration of tags from
debtags.debian.net to the archive. The situation has now greatly
improved \o/
Ciao,
Enrico
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x27;s the only existing example of a field that can change
independently of functional changes in the packages.
Ciao,
Enrico
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, extra keywords for full text search
indexing, date+time the package has first entered the archive, and/or
the release; datetime that version of the package has been
built/uploaded.
Ciao,
Enrico
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On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 05:13:10PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Enrico Zini wrote:
> > Recklessly exposing too much information outside the context in which it
> > was published can in some cases turn people away from contributing. If
[...]
>
quot;how do I
get the data?" "how do I change the data?"
Ciao,
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On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 02:33:55PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> In terms of implementation, I see an overlap with nm.debian.org,
> portfolio.debian.net and db.debian.org.
...and the Debian Maintainer Dashboard (http://udd.debian.org/dmd.cgi),
thanks today's Misc Developer News.
Ci
e
> keyring & LDAP.
Added to http://wiki.debian.org/ContributorsInformationSources mostly as
stubs. Could you please have a go at the details?
Ciao,
Enrico
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cases turn people away from contributing. If
ohloh were actually being taken seriously by people in my professional
circle, I would probably have to consider going through the extra
trouble of not using my real identity while contributing to Free
Software. We do not want that.
Ciao,
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would you think of just reusing their technology?
> Also, it's not like this is a great idea that came to me overnight. We
> have something very similar in spirit at work, and that's where my
> idea came from.
Sure, and no matter where it comes from, I think it's a good idea, it's
great that you're working on taking it to Debian.
Ciao,
Enrico
[1] http://www.enricozini.org/2012/debian/more-diversity-in-skills/
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a
a nickname, and would prefer Debian-related search results to also show
up under that nickname.
Did I miss anything in this review? Is everything represented correctly?
Ciao,
Enrico
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d in a timely manner.
Ciao,
Enrico
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g to
suggest improvements: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfection#Paradoxes
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which would give:
> While much of the work for our project is technical in nature,
> we value and encourage contributions from those with
> expertise in other areas, and welcome them in our community.
Ciao,
Enrico
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chnical ability" with
"skillset, and field of expertise".
Ciao,
Enrico
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ccount creation
time, so I understand if that isn't enough. But it'd be sort of nice to
merge the two things.
Could it be something we can automate once we work on the new nm website
at debconf?
Ciao,
Enrico
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I stand corrected.
However, if after finding it a new name you'd like to keep going and add
things like ratings, comments, tag clouds and whatnot, you can go back
to my messages in this thread and know where to start :)
Ciao,
Enrico
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need to invent another
one.
Ciao,
Enrico
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