On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 03:38:37PM +0200, Michael Schmitz wrote:
> > > Why not put it into the powerpc-utils package then? As far as I
> >
> > Because Michael Schmitz thinks it is a bad idea, and doesn't really believe
> > in
> > group maintenance ?
>
On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 11:42:13AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 09:18 -0700, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:56:50 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 03:22:37PM +, rob rob wrote:
> >
;
> > I'm presuming that the AMD8111 chipset is not currently supported under
> > Debian Etch for PPC. Am I wrong, or is there another explanation? Thanks!
>
> I suppose the driver isn't enabled in the default config. That should be
> easily fixed.
Its probably m
ee where the amd74xx module is included and further help MAthew ?
(i will also mostly be offline until friday).
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On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 12:09:38AM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 10:45:55AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Mayube someone else within the d-i team can look at the powerpc kernel
> > .udebs
> > to see where the amd74xx module is included and further hel
ootloading on ppc64 needs to be done at 32bits space.
>
> Can someone confirm it?
Yes, as with yaboot, powerpc bootloaders need to be compiled in 32bit.
Andreas, you need to reverse the libarch thingy, and build the needed
libraries in 32bit mode and provide lib32 or whatever pakcages for
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 11:40:48PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tuesday 26 September 2006 12:27, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 11:42:13AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > > It's to be noted that the miboot images generated by th
sure about the oldworld status, but it would be interesting to know if those
images can be booted with bootx.
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On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 02:23:27AM +0200, Eugen Paiuc wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >It seems we finally got most issues with the graphical installer on powerpc
> >sorted out, thanks to all those who tested, and to Attilio who provided the
> >patch.
, since I only have
> limited access to tinker there, so I'd like to know in advance ;)
there is a patch builtin, but it breaks pcmcia based serial ports.
Anyway, you don't really need to do an install, just boot the g-i, and play
with the mouse, and such, no need to go unto the par
e FX 5200
Cool, this are nvidia ones. I would be interested in knowing what /proc/fb has
to say when you have this one booted.
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dd : "disable-module=linux_input" to /etc/directfbrc (using echo ... >> or
nano).
type : export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gtk
and then : debconf -f gtk -o d-i /usr/bin/main-menu
And report back.
Your /etc/fb should be : "0 NV#", where # is some number, can you confirm this
?
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 04:46:20PM +0200, Attilio Fiandrotti wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> >On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 03:30:12PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>Ok, thank you first for your answer. I don't need pcmcia on a server, so
> >>I'll g
y keyboard. I can't do deb-confs or
> anything if I cant get to any console.
It should have usbhid, which should be enough. It works on all kind of macs
with usb keyboard, so i don't understand where your problem is.
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is is the case, patches welcome.
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> re-running them now, and they should hopefully all be in place
> soon. Thanks for pointing out the problem!
He, the disk i sponsored last year is not enough for this ? I guess the box
eats huge amount of disk space with all those .isos around.
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On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 03:42:31PM +0200, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 01:40:13AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> >
> > It seems we finally got most issues with the graphical installer on powerpc
> > sorted out, thanks to all those who tested, and to Att
t
have time for it. Would you take care of that ?
Once the module sources are in that package, they will be rebuilt by the
kernel team with each abi bump, so it makes sense to have it there.
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On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 02:14:22AM +0200, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 05:29:47PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 03:42:31PM +0200, Diego Biurrun wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 01:40:13AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > >
froze.
video=ofonly is not an option for g-i then.
> Booting with "install DEBIAN_FRONTEND=newt" yields the old text-based
> installer.
>
> Hope this helps somehow. If there is interest, next week I might be
> able to test the mini.iso on a 7600/200 and a 9600/350.
T
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 09:34:30AM -0500, Mathew Binkley wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 02:51:42PM -0500, Mathew Binkley wrote:
> >> Hello. I attemped to install Debian Etch on a IBM JS20 using an iso
> >> from 09/22/2006. The install works co
h, if not more, the "powerpc kernel
maintainer" than me these past month, ever since you kicked me out of the d-i
project while i pleaded you to be comprehending, while my mother was dying
beside me. But, then, what can one expect from someone who lacks such basic
decency, as you have shown
handle this ?
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On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 10:55:33AM +, Jack Malmostoso wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:20:08 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > I wonder if anyone is missing.
>
> Not sure if you are interested in 64bit only, but my iBook G4 uses
> therm_adt746x.
Ok.
Those are not included
Ccing debian-kernel for maks, and debian-boot for Frans, or whoever will
commit my patches.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 08:59:43AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 12:16 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Hi, ...
> >
> > I am working at integrating fan
rnal SCSI drive and I've tried with
> both an ixmicro twinturbo 128 card, and a rage pro, but neither make
> a difference.
>
> Any clues on which way to turn now?
What kernel are you using ? The sarge 2.6.8 ? What are you using to boot ?
Those are presumably old world powermacs
ection ?
Please, make sure to file a proper bug report against linux-2.6, with
[powerpc,vserver] in the bug title.
Bastian, i forward this to debian-kernel so you can have a look.
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ng bug
report is. Most often than not, those who should be fixing or have a clue
about said bug are not reading debian-powerpc, and expecting others to forward
the bug to the right place is not so nice.
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par savoir si ces problemes
persistes.
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 02:13:07AM +0200, sputnick wrote:
> sarge PPC
> 2.6.8-3-powerpc
> kde3.3
> pbbuttonsd
> ikeyd
> powerprefs
>
> # cat /proc/cpuinfo
> processor : 0
> cpu
urrently has some
issues on oldworld powermac, something probably minor to fix, but major in
that actually booting does not work.
What we need is someone interested enough in this issue to follow it,
summarize the actual solution, and investigate with upstream how to fix this.
Friendly,
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-
or initramfs-tools with the
modules=dep option.
2) use the powerpc-miboot flavour instead of the powerpc one.
And inform us if any of those help.
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 01:57:18PM +0200, sputnick wrote:
> Sven Luther a écrit :
> >sputnick is asking about some sarg-on-powerpc issues, i am replying him to
> >try
> >etch first.
> >
> >Sputnick, tu devrait essayer d'installer debian/etch ou d'upgrade
On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 07:12:53PM +0200, sputnick wrote:
> hi.
>
> I have make a post here for my capslock problems where sven luther tell
> me to upgrade my sarge to etch.
>
> I change my sources.list & do the upgrade, install xorg, re-install
> kdebase, dpkg-reconf
On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 07:38:02AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 13:54 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 10:41:58AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Sunday 22 October 2006 10:20, Benjamin
18-3, which includes 2.6.18.1, and was uploaded this WE
if i remember well.
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> > happy to put it all back together again.
>
> Andi, can you fix libnuma ? :)
Ben, if you send me a patch against 2.6.18.1 (preferably as bug report against
linux-2.6 with [powerpc] in the subject), i will apply it for the next upload
of the debian kernel.
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On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 11:41:50AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sunday 22 October 2006 13:54, Sven Luther wrote:
> > 1) using yaird instead of initramfs-tools, or initramfs-tools with the
> > modules=dep option.
>
> initramfs-tools with the
asked you in the previous mail. I wonder why ...
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ll you need.
> but when I ran :
>
> cd /usr/src/
> make menuconfig
> make-kpkg kernel_image
>
> there were errors.
>
> Is there something else I should be doing?
Don't reading web pages that where probably out-dated 3 years ago :)
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On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 08:42:32AM -0800, asdf wrote:
> --- Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > the netinst.iso should be bootable on your box, it has all the right
> > things in
> > debian-cd's powerpc script. You should look at them, and twiddle
e the .pdf stuff, but
includes a dvi viewer (advi) which is packaged in debian, and which can do
effects.
http://pauillac.inria.fr/advi/
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grub-installer is only built for x86-ish
arches, and there is no grub2-installer.
What am i missing here ? I thought you enabled powerpc support, and wanted
testing ?
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you would need to boot using either
bootx and the vmlinux/initrd.gz from the cd, or use the miboot floppies on it.
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think I have something else to solve first it seems: it now
> > gives a lowres picture with a floppydisk with a questionmark in it. It
> > also keeps on restarting the harddisk.
>
> That means it cannot boot from the harddisk, but is waiting for you to
> insert i bootable fl
debian.org/DebianInstaller/FransPopvsSvenLutherIssue/SvenLutherSupport
Since you are all kind of held hostage over this petty dispute, by them
stopping me to do work on d-i for powerpc, and in general wasting too much
time on this matter, time i could spend working generally on the powerpc port.
Frien
fter over 6 months, to be able
to leave the issue aside and work together for the greater good, then maybe
your above analysis doesn't apply to the situation.
And if one party is trying to ammend, and makes every effort to work together
again, but get replyed "FUCK YOU", well, i thi
able to give lot of time to
debian, and this has brought them to a position on proeminence, which i
believe somehow has gotten to their heads.
> Peace, fellow travellers in the digital realm
Good words those.
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On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 09:57:43AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 06:00:48PM +0100, Sven Luther a écrit :
> >
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394971
> > #394971: rootskel: [powerpc64] load the fan control modules.
> >
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 09:36:38AM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 08:08 +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > > would introduce the opportunity of supporting the Airport extreme card
> > > on machines on which the users kept an OSX system, or by asking
read-only
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img
>
> image=/boot/vmlinux.old
> label=old
> read-only
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img.old
>
>
> According to me partition should be : partition=2 ?
Nope, partition should be where the image is found
this, can i ask you
to do something, this is driving me crazy, and all the time i spent in this
childish fight i so often wanted to end, i cannot spend fixing bugs.
Please help me stop this witch hunt.
Sven:
An last a personal message to Frans, remember when we where in Extremadura, we
had a good
a bit help), I'm glad to help
> on this. http://bugs.debian.org is a good starting point :)
>
> I'm not interesting in this thread. Read the full mail to see why.
>
> On Wednesday 22 November 2006 18:00, Sven Luther wrote:
> > As some of you may have noticed, th
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 10:37:40AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Saturday 25 November 2006 23:08, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Thank you for this, why could you not at least leave me alone ?
>
> Because you spread FUD about the debian-powerpc port and claim it's s
sysfs nodes or whatever... (and in fact, that's the way I
> work with(out) Debian most of the time; if something bothers me I fix it
> upstream.)
I doubt so, and as said it is an upstream matter, not a debian maintainer
matter. Two different set of skills.
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 08:39:26PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> Johannes Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 23:11 +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> >
> >> Indeed, but i guess that with etch now soon supporting 2.6.18 kernels, all
&g
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 09:10:19PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Well, it's right and wrong. Those modules don't need to be available
> >> while booting but be loaded just after init is being run (I migh
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 09:33:19PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> Yes. We could but it would add another package on archive while the
> >> fix is a simple change on initramfs itself. I don't think it's
your version when filing bug reports against
> stock powerpc d-i. Maybe that will get someone's attention. A rising
> number of bug reports stating 'broken in d-i but works fine with Sven's
> build' could convince those of more rational leaning.
Yep, but i would need to for
:)
> Absent this, powerpc users can only file 'this is broken' bugs. Should be
> done anyway, IMO.
Yeah, but if i don't fix them, who will, like :
#397973: [powerpci/mac] partman-md appears to not write back the raid flag
to partitions.
Open since 16 days, and not a single comment on it.
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gt;
> How to enable the server mode ?
On the XServe it is :
echo server_mode=1 >/proc/pmu/options
but needs to be redone on every reboot.
(Thanks to benh for giving me this info in the first place).
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h that tell people how to manually turn the fans silent.
it has them, and i added the info about this issue to the message of frans
asking for info for the erratas, i don't know if in the end it was added or
not, i know frans decided to remove some of my errata entries.
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gt; > charge.
>
> Right. The people doing the vast majority of work on the debian-installer,
> which runs on 12 architectures, are in charge. Sven is "only" working on the
> powerpc port of it. And he is not the only person working on powerpc in d-i.
I am not the only pe
On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 12:17:07PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sunday 26 November 2006 15:09, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > currently shiping powerpc hardware are :
> > > > IBM pseries : not really supported, patch sitting without comment
> > &g
to build in the past in
my experience, altough i haven't done this for some time now, and it may be
fixed.
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 04:16:42PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 15:30, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > #394970: finish-install: [powerpc64] Add support for IBM serial
> > I didn't, because
>
> [1, 2 & 3 - basically
e only reason I care about this info in the release notes for RC1, is to
> have this issue solved (by documenting a workaround) in etch as well. In
> unstable it's fixed.
You did notice that i did mention that fact in the reply to frans call for
review on the RC1 erratas, right ?
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comment on :
#397973: [powerpci/mac] partman-md appears to not write back the raid flag
to partitions.
Maybe it would be worth to raise the severity of this bug, but i can hardly do
this, or i will be seen as whiner who ups the severity of his pet bugs, can i
ask you to have a look at them ?
On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 01:53:01PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 05:48:55PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 11:03:41AM +0100, Michael Schmitz wrote:
> > > > Hi fellow debian-powerpc users,
> > > > Once more, some infl
times,
to load the fan control modules ? At worst, you can load the same modules as
is done in d-i.
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On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:52:13AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 18:06, Sven Luther wrote:
> [#397942]
> > > If this is correct, this bug can be closed. Is it correct?
> > The bug should be retitled and reassigned to initramfs-tool
fscked up my drives. Never had a problem with JFS despite
> many power failures.
We made the choice for EXT3 ourselves, since it is the only filesystemm which
can be grown online and shrinked offline, and reiserfs is not really a
solution.
JFS/XFS can be grown online, but not shrinked, so
ther busy with RL work, so please ask this on debian-boot instead. In
general it is best to cross post these questions to debian-powerpc &
debian-boot.
Wouter, Frans and Holger are those more involved in those matters, and thus
make sure they get involved.
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n etch cd
> with amdk111 support?
Is it included in the 2.6.18 kernels currently present in debian/sid and
debian/etch ? If not, this is probably an error. Can you provide me with the
CONFIG option to set, and i will enable it in the next build of the kernel
packages, which will add official suppo
ce that the 2.6 sarge d-i image had a bug which was later fixed in the
etch/sid version. It has to do with calling mkvmlinuz i think, instead of
simply gzipping it by hand.
Holger, can you backport the little change from the sid branch, this should
fix it.
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On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 11:21:53PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Friday 15 December 2006 21:37, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Notice that the 2.6 sarge d-i image had a bug which was later fixed in the
> > etch/sid version. It has to do with calling mkvmlinuz i think,
On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 11:21:53PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Friday 15 December 2006 21:37, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Notice that the 2.6 sarge d-i image had a bug which was later fixed in the
> > etch/sid version. It has to do with calling mkvmlinuz i think,
ut I think that is what Holger is
> saying. For the purpose the Sarge floppyset serves, it's enough to
> have just a 2.4 kernel for the installer.
>
> On the other hand, what Sven is saying seems (again, not to put words
> in his mouth) to be that, as long as we're go
t? Is it possibly a debian bug?
Motorola Powerstack II works fine with sarge. The CD install method is not
supported though, but the netboot install is needed.
You need to download the /powerpc/netboot/vmlinuz-prep.initrd,
put it on your tftp server and netboot it with : boot
enet:,vmlinuz-prep.ini
y to script creation of parttions on apple new world machines ?
Please use parted or any libparted based frontend (qtparted, gparted,
gnu-fdisk, d-i's partman).
Most distros use such a solution.
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On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 07:05:46AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Hi Sven,
>
>
> On Dec 20, 2006, at 2:16 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> >What is really needed is for confirmation with the current kernels
> >that :
> >
> > 1) miboot booting works (or not).
ere):
> >
> > Roger Leigh
> > Alexander Wirt
> > Sven Luther
> > Michel Daenzer
> > Colin Watson
> > Mark Brown
> > Holger Levsen
> >
> > Given the rumors powerpc would be dead, I suggest to name them all :)
>
> Hi all,
>
>
the playstation III kernel
patches into it, or the cell-targetting toolchain for that matter.
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On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 10:34:29AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> On Dec 27, 2006, at 3:47 AM, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> >
> >Terrasoft {YellowDog Linux}
>
> >
> >They are selling non-ppc apple though.
>
>
> Don't you mean "non-Apple ppc&quo
rea. This is
in big part due to the fact that powerpc is mostly a mainstream arch today,
and most issues have been solved long ago.
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the problem ? And also provide output of dmesg
and the content of /var/log/syslog ? Preferably the last lines after inserting
an usb device.
This may be related to udev breakage i have been seeing recently.
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> Am Donnerstag, 21. Dezember 2006 18:21 schrieb Alex:
> > I can confirm the suggestion by Sven. The machine boots perfectly but
> > just not from anything else.
>
> Hi there,
>
> first of all, I wish everybody a happy new year 2007.
>
> OK, I've been a
please reply to the
post above, so others will see it to, and maybe feel ashamed about their
handling of this problem.
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and it doesn't make good for the end-users like myself.
>
> I don't know both sides of the story but Sven I wonder why you even
> want to continue based on the few comments I read below and in the
> list.
>
> Where to from here with powerpc I wonder?
One last mail to
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 01:59:18PM +0100, Matthias Koch-Schirrmeister wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 09:56 schrieb Sven Luther:
> > Last post here except one, due to my self-imposed ban asked by Fabio's
> > mediation attempt.
>
> Let's hope this will be sorted
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 12:14:09AM +0100, Matthias Koch-Schirrmeister wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 20:49 schrieb Sven Luther:
>
> > you somehow don't get prep-installer, please fill a bug report.
>
> I'm considering that, but first I want to make sure that th
to see that what you
did is well documented, and submit a bug report if there are troubles, or even
a patch ?
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On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:00:09PM +0100, Christian Walther wrote:
> On 02/03/07, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:26:29AM +0100, Christian Walther wrote:
> >> Hi list,
> >>
> [...]
> >
> >Cool, you used an etch
imitation. fbdev
> doesn't do anything either but the Cirrus gpu - removed BIOS chip from
> the card - that is in in right now works with cirrusfb at least on the
> terminal.
>
> If you plan to run X too and get it working, I would be overjoyed to
> hear how. :)
You coul
find where they are!
> The Mozilla site only seems to know about Linux on Intel.
They are neatly debian packaged, but because of some stupid trademark dispute
with mozilla, debian was forced to change the name of firefox to iceweasel if
we wanted to be able to offersecurity support and other such.
ll work.
Alternatively, it causes a nice case of GPL violation, to have those binary
floppies full of GPLed binaries, without any mean to reproducing those around,
so maybe we should better get ride of them :)
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ing this to the proper place, namely a installation report against
debian-installer.
BTW, i have just been expulsed, err, suspended for a year, so i will stay
around here, but i have no more power to fix issues anymore than any of you,
so i would appreciate if you took the issues directly to the rig
as you would think.
You need a special star-shaped screw-drivers, and there is some nice
instruction manual on apple's web site.
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pping disks let me take the 'hdparm -T'
> number to the PB?
The slow one, the faster one is just a measurement of the speed of the memory
cache, which is unless i am wrong the main memory.
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