On 10/08/2017 02:42 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> I haven't found the time yet to build it, sorry.
>
> No rush… Let me know when it’s available, that’s all.
Image has been updated now [1].
Adrian
> [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/9.0/ppc64/iso-cd/
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On Oct 7, 2017, at 3:16 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> I haven't found the time yet to build it, sorry.
No rush… Let me know when it’s available, that’s all.
Enjoy!
Rick
On 10/08/2017 12:14 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
Can you give me a link to this updated installer image? I’m not seeing it in
the usual places.
I haven't found the time yet to build it, sorry.
I will try to build it over the course of the weekend.
Adrian
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On Oct 6, 2017, at 2:40 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> On 10/06/2017 11:17 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> Ah, the problem is most likely the debian/isinstallable script in
>> grub-installer [1]. It's
>> already checking for the existence of the /boot/grub HFS partition when th
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Betreff: Re: PowerPC sid installation - was: Re: New discussion: ppc64
installer -- ext2 /boot partition to keep sabot happy
Datum: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 17:56:07 +0200
Von: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
An: Richard Kuenz
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On 10/06/2017 12:44 PM, Richard Kuenz wrote:
i downloaded the NETINST,
but how can i boot?
The same way how you boot any other Debian installation image for PPC.
supose that with NETINST the procedure is different?
No. Just turn on the machine and press and hold "Alt", then click to
select
Hi Richard,
On 10/06/2017 12:44 PM, Richard Kuenz wrote:
Thank you very much for supporting ,
i downloaded the NETINST,
but how can i boot?
i am used to go into OPEN FIRMWARE
at start by pressing ALT+CMD+O+F
there i type
boot cd:,\install\yaboot
supose that with NETINST the procedure is
Thank you very much for supporting ,
i downloaded the NETINST,
but how can i boot?
i am used to go into OPEN FIRMWARE
at start by pressing ALT+CMD+O+F
there i type
boot cd:,\install\yaboot
supose that with NETINST the procedure is different?
Am 06.10.2017 um 11:54 schrieb John Paul Adri
Hi Richard!
Please don't hijack discussions but open a new thread for that. Otherwise
the discussion becomes hard to follow in the mailing list archives.
if i install Wheezy on Powermac G4,
can i then update to Stretch?
You can update it to Sid. There is no Stretch for PowerPC.
To upgrade, j
Question:
if i install Wheezy on Powermac G4,
can i then update to Stretch?
Or do i need to install Stretch from Netinstall to succeed?
Where could i download such image?
Thank you
Am 06.10.2017 um 11:40 schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
On 10/06/2017 11:17 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wro
On 10/06/2017 11:17 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Ah, the problem is most likely the debian/isinstallable script in
grub-installer [1]. It's
already checking for the existence of the /boot/grub HFS partition when the
grub-installer
package is pulled in by anna (debian-installer's version
On 10/06/2017 11:06 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 10/06/2017 10:56 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
I tried the latest: "Debian GNU/Linux 9.0 "Sid" - Unofficial ppc64 NETINST
20171005-07:56”
I did an “expert” mode install. At partitioning time, I created an 8MB
bootable partition and a 250M
On 10/06/2017 10:56 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
I tried the latest: "Debian GNU/Linux 9.0 "Sid" - Unofficial ppc64 NETINST
20171005-07:56”
I did an “expert” mode install. At partitioning time, I created an 8MB
bootable partition and a 250MB ext2 partition for /boot.
There was no “grub” entry in
>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>>
>> Adrian and Milan,
>>
>> Thank you for the explanations. It’s much clearer to me now!
>>
>> I did a couple of experiments today.
…
>> 2) I did an installation with Adrian’s latest install image (Debian
>> GNU/Linux 9.0 _Sid_
On Oct 1, 2017, at 3:47 AM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
> "8 MB/MiB ought to be enough for anybody", don't you agree? ;-)
I’d have no problem with that.
Rick
On 10/01/2017 12:47 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
> I recently stumbled upon [1] which mentions an "8M" limit (either 8 MB or
> 8 MiB) for the PReP partition which holds the stage1 binary - most likely
> yaboot or
> grub - for IBM POWER machines.
>
> [1]:
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/communi
On 10/01/2017 11:00 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:> 1) I did a test installation
with manual partitioning using the 20170927 installer (Debian GNU/Linux
9.0 _Sid_ - Unofficial ppc64 NETINST 20170925-19:46). I created a 10MB
bootstrap HFS partition and a 250MB /boot ext2 partition. It had no
problem i
You can install GRUB instead of Yaboot if you go back to the main menu. The
GRUB installation menu item comes right after Yaboot.
Try to run it after partioning manually and let me know what you get. You may
have to manually mount the HFS partition to /target/boot/grub from a shell.
Adrian
PS:
Adrian and Milan,
Thank you for the explanations. It’s much clearer to me now!
I did a couple of experiments today.
1) I did a test installation with manual partitioning using the 20170927
installer (Debian GNU/Linux 9.0 _Sid_ - Unofficial ppc64 NETINST
20170925-19:46). I created a 10MB boot
On 09/30/2017 02:05 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 09/30/2017 11:40 AM, Gabriel Paubert wrote:> What's OFFS?
> I was talking about the OpenFirmware partition and I used the terminology
> from the grub-installer source code [1]. I haven't looked into the
> documentation
> yet, but I assu
On 09/30/2017 11:40 AM, Gabriel Paubert wrote:> What's OFFS?
I was talking about the OpenFirmware partition and I used the terminology
from the grub-installer source code [1]. I haven't looked into the documentation
yet, but I assume the partition is formatted with HFS on Macintosh.
> And how peop
On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 11:05:34AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 09/30/2017 08:11 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> > It’s comforting that “remove yaboot” only means remove it from unstable. I
> > did not
> > understand that point. Thanks for explaining.
>
> Ok, good.
>
> > I’ll be glad
On 09/30/2017 08:11 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> It’s comforting that “remove yaboot” only means remove it from unstable. I
> did not
> understand that point. Thanks for explaining.
Ok, good.
> I’ll be glad to test anything you can produce on my G4 desk side machines (a
> couple of
> models you d
It’s comforting that “remove yaboot” only means remove it from unstable. I did
not
understand that point. Thanks for explaining.
I’ll be glad to test anything you can produce on my G4 desk side machines (a
couple of
models you did not list as being in your own stable) as well as the PowerMac G
On 09/30/2017 12:31 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> I agree that it’s desirable to focus entirely on Grub — if only to avoid
> wasted effort on trying to support Yaboot. I will help with that effort
> as a tester in any way I can.
I will push an updated image over the weekend which has GRUB almost worki
On Sep 29, 2017, at 5:24 AM, Milan Kupcevic wrote:
> On 09/29/2017 03:16 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>
>> Yaboot itself is a lost cause in my opinion. Users have to resort to
>> workarounds
>> and upstream is factually dead and it's therefore probably just a matter of
>> time until t
MPC620 needs to be reinstated .
On a biosynthoid/android you would have eight five core chips for the top
part and eight five core chips for the lower part.
This would make the basic brain stem of the biosynthoid.
Merge Debian and FreeBSD together on the POWER architecture.
The boot loaders will ne
On 09/29/2017 03:16 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 09/29/2017 08:50 AM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
>> (...)
>> To be able to load the yaboot config file from the partition that holds the
>> root FS,
>> yaboot needs to know which partition to use. Hence I assume there has to
>> be an additio
Hi Frank!
On 09/29/2017 08:50 AM, Frank Scheiner wrote:
> (...)
> To be able to load the yaboot config file from the partition that holds the
> root FS,
> yaboot needs to know which partition to use. Hence I assume there has to
> be an additional configuration file that is loaded maybe from the
Hi Adrian,
On 09/26/2017 10:47 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 09/26/2017 10:34 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
Hmmm… Are you sure it’s trying to read /etc/yaboot.conf (i.e. from the root
partition)?
Yes, that's directly part of the error message. It tries to read
"-3/etc/yaboot.conf" and t
On 09/28/2017 01:47 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Disk space (at least at the megabyte level) is cheap.
> Go with 10MB — it’s cheap insurance for the future.
This isn't about the cost of disk space, this is about what
will actually work without the OpenFirmware making problems.
Adrian
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Disk space (at least at the megabyte level) is cheap. Go with 10MB — it’s
cheap insurance for the future.
my $0.02 worth...
Rick
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:46 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> wrote:
>
> Any suggestions for the new size? 8 MiB? 10 MiB?
On 09/26/2017 08:40 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 09/26/2017 05:12 PM, Milan Kupcevic wrote:
I would say abandon yaboot ASAP. We could keep it on life support for
the sake of making installer images bootable and for easier transition
of Mac machines to Grub.
I fully agree.
So, I ma
On 09/26/2017 10:55 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> It’s relevant only in that other arches have a similar problem and the way
> they choose to deal with it is to have a separate ext2 /boot partition.
> I’m just pointing out that it works for them, so why not take advantage
> of their experience?
Because
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On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Lennart Sorensen <
lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 08:40:13PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > Ok, so I guess the first step would be to patch partman-auto to increase
> > the size of the bootloader partition
On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:53 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> On 09/26/2017 11:48 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> There is precedent for always having an ext2 /boot partition. Any arm system
>> that uses u-boot needs the filesystem it reads from the be either ext2 or
>> fat.
>> So the installer c
On 09/26/2017 10:34 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Hmmm… Are you sure it’s trying to read /etc/yaboot.conf (i.e. from the root
> partition)?
Yes, that's directly part of the error message. It tries to read
"-3/etc/yaboot.conf" and then prints the corrupted filesystem error.
I had to take a screensho
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 08:41:10PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 09/26/2017 05:14 PM, Milan Kupcevic wrote:
> >> So, it seems that your original suggestion to just enable an ext2 /boot
> >> partition is not enough. Yaboot's configuration file also needs to
> >> be accessible on a non
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 04:16:23PM -0400, Milan Kupcevic wrote:
> Linux only oldworld Mac machines were using Quik.
>
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/quik
>
> Quik was not able to dual boot so if you had MacOS and linux the only
> way to dual boot was to have the BootX (Penguin Icon) module ins
On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:47 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> On 09/26/2017 03:00 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> I'm still a bit undecided about the ext4 issue with Yaboot. I actually
>> would tend to always use the ext2 /boot partitions for all installations
>> and revert the work-a
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 08:40:13PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Ok, so I guess the first step would be to patch partman-auto to increase
> the size of the bootloader partition for all sub-architectures.
>
> Question: Does GRUB work on all the PowerPC variants that Yaboot supports?
We
On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:53 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
>> Until we get grub working, would it be possible to temporarily remove the
>> "$defaultignore{}”, just as a convenience to keep yaboot happy?
>
> Well, then we should also remove this workaround [1].
I quite agree. Disabling new
On 09/26/2017 02:40 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Ok, so I guess the first step would be to patch partman-auto to increase
> the size of the bootloader partition for all sub-architectures.
As for the required size we should probably consult wit Grub
maintainers. I guess it depends on whic
On Sep 26, 2017, at 11:40 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> So, do we all agree that the first thing is to increase the size of the
> bootloader partitions for the aforementioned systems?
That would certainly seem to be an easy and non-controversial first step.
Let’s do it.
Thanks!
Rick
On 09/26/2017 05:14 PM, Milan Kupcevic wrote:
>> So, it seems that your original suggestion to just enable an ext2 /boot
>> partition is not enough. Yaboot's configuration file also needs to
>> be accessible on a non-ext4 partition.
>
>
> If I remember it right, there should also be a separate ya
On 09/26/2017 05:12 PM, Milan Kupcevic wrote:
> I would say abandon yaboot ASAP. We could keep it on life support for
> the sake of making installer images bootable and for easier transition
> of Mac machines to Grub.
I fully agree.
> That said, if not done already, creation of bootable iso image
Hi Rick and Adrian,
As I've dealt with these things many years ago I'll just try to brain
dump stuff that I still remember.
On 09/26/2017 09:00 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 09/26/2017 11:53 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> But I'm not sure why we should invest time into improv
On 09/26/2017 09:47 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 09/26/2017 03:00 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> I'm still a bit undecided about the ext4 issue with Yaboot. I actually
>> would tend to always use the ext2 /boot partitions for all installations
>> and revert the work-around use
On 09/26/2017 03:00 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I'm still a bit undecided about the ext4 issue with Yaboot. I actually
would tend to always use the ext2 /boot partitions for all installations
and revert the work-around used for partman-ext3.
Hmm, I just gave that a try and I still get
On 09/26/2017 11:53 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
But I'm not sure why we should invest time into improving Yaboot. I didn't
even work on my POWER7 system. So, while we would make Yaboot work on
PowerMac G5 computers, it would still be broken on POWER4/5/6/7. Plus,
Yaboot is unmaintained b
On 09/26/2017 11:48 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
There is precedent for always having an ext2 /boot partition. Any arm system
that uses u-boot needs the filesystem it reads from the be either ext2 or fat.
So the installer creates an ext2 /boot by default.
But we're not talking about ARM and not abou
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:20 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> wrote:
>
>>> In this context, I just found this commit [2] which added the /boot
>>> partition. Note the
>>> additional "$defaultignore{}" designation which apparently means the
>>> partition is not
>>> created in all cases.
>> In lig
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