Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-10-10 Thread Andrew Sharp
Colin Walters wrote: > > Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Besides ext3, which other journaled FSes support data journaling? > > > > I know not ReiserFS... I think IBM's JFS does. Can XFS? > > XFS doesn't support data journaling, and I don't think there are any > plans to in the nea

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-20 Thread Michel Dänzer
Mike Fedyk wrote: > > Does the XFS team expect their lowlevel code to be integrated into 2.5? At least they intend to, yes. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer XFree86 and DRI project member / CS student, Free Software enthusiast

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-20 Thread Sven
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 10:35:25AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > Sven wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 10:00:17AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > Sven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > and BTW, having the /var/lib/dpkg/status file corrupted is a big > > > > mess, is there any way t

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-20 Thread Michel Dänzer
Sven wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 10:00:17AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > Sven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > and BTW, having the /var/lib/dpkg/status file corrupted is a big > > > mess, is there any way to rebuild it without resinstalling all > > > packages (guessed at from a ls o

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-20 Thread Sven
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 10:00:17AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > Sven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > and BTW, having the /var/lib/dpkg/status file corrupted is a big > > mess, is there any way to rebuild it without resinstalling all > > packages (guessed at from a ls of /usr/share/doc ...) > >

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-19 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 10:02:09AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > Mike Fedyk wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 02:21:37AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > Laurent de Segur wrote: > > > > > > > It's too bad that the XFS module (at least on ppc) is not part of > > > > the pre-compiled kernel im

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-19 Thread Derrik Pates
On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Sven wrote: > Is it really just coincidence, or is dist-upgrade doing something particular > that reiserfs don't like ? Or maybe it is just that it is the only app that > really is very disk intensive, unpacking files, replacing files, etc, ... It may just be broken (again).

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-19 Thread thomas graichen
Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Besides ext3, which other journaled FSes support data journaling? > I know not ReiserFS... I think IBM's JFS does. Can XFS? afaik only ext3 - all others are metadata only t -- thomas graichen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... perfection is reached, not when ther

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-19 Thread Colin Walters
Sven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > and BTW, having the /var/lib/dpkg/status file corrupted is a big > mess, is there any way to rebuild it without resinstalling all > packages (guessed at from a ls of /usr/share/doc ...) There are backups in /var/backups. You could probably just use the backup s

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-19 Thread Colin Walters
Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Besides ext3, which other journaled FSes support data journaling? > > I know not ReiserFS... I think IBM's JFS does. Can XFS? XFS doesn't support data journaling, and I don't think there are any plans to in the near future; the developers are focusing ma

Re: XFS Install (was: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2(Linux-i386))

2001-09-19 Thread Kevin van Haaren
At 2:07 PM +0200 9/19/01, Michel Dänzer wrote: Kevin van Haaren wrote: >Are you using one of the PPC trees as a basis? PPC isn't fully merged >into Linus' yet AFAIK. No, I wasn't sure I could apply an XFS patch against a PPC tree, or a PPC patch against an XFS patched source so I avoided i

Re: XFS Install (was: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2(Linux-i386))

2001-09-19 Thread Michel Dänzer
Kevin van Haaren wrote: > >Are you using one of the PPC trees as a basis? PPC isn't fully merged > >into Linus' yet AFAIK. > > No, I wasn't sure I could apply an XFS patch against a PPC tree, or a > PPC patch against an XFS patched source so I avoided it. Or is there > a PPC tree with XFS applie

Re: XFS Install (was: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386))

2001-09-19 Thread Kevin van Haaren
At 10:23 AM +0200 9/19/01, Michel Dänzer wrote: > Woody has a patch for XFS. It's against kernel 2.4.5. There is NO kernel-source package for 2.4.5. So there appears to be no way to do a debian package XFS kernel install at this time. You can build kernel packages with kernel-package fro

Re: XFS Install (was: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386))

2001-09-19 Thread Kevin van Haaren
At 12:14 PM +0200 9/19/01, Sven wrote: huh ? where did you looked at it ? i just found ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/Release-1.0.1/kernel_patches which has 2.4.5 only. That said, on the download page, you can read : XFS patches are also available in Debian-unstable ("Sid") which s

Re: XFS Install (was: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386))

2001-09-19 Thread Sven
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 10:23:29AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > Kevin van Haaren wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 02:21:37AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > > Laurent de Segur wrote: > > > > > > Not my experience, when I looked more than a week ago, their FTP > > > site already had patches

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-19 Thread Sven
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 10:14:07AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > Sven wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 10:14:57AM -0700, Laurent de Segur wrote: > > > What you are saying about ReiserFS is really unfortunate. When I > > > read the archive, there is no question that XFS is a lot more > > > re

Re: XFS Install (was: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386))

2001-09-19 Thread Michel Dänzer
Kevin van Haaren wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 02:21:37AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > Laurent de Segur wrote: > > > > Not my experience, when I looked more than a week ago, their FTP > > site already had patches for early .10-pre versions. > > OK, I spent most of the weekend trying to ge

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-19 Thread Michel Dänzer
Mike Fedyk wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 02:21:37AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > > Laurent de Segur wrote: > > > > > It's too bad that the XFS module (at least on ppc) is not part of > > > the pre-compiled kernel image (ReiserFS is), > > > > Not really, you still need patches (at least Alan

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-19 Thread Michel Dänzer
Sven wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 10:14:57AM -0700, Laurent de Segur wrote: > > What you are saying about ReiserFS is really unfortunate. When I > > read the archive, there is no question that XFS is a lot more > > reliable than ReiserFS. On the other hand, It seems that the Linux > > commun

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-19 Thread Sven
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:40:44PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:03:06PM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote: > > > > This seems to be the first main stream example of FS conversion in linux. > > not really. ext3 really isn't any different from ext2 from a format > perspective, the

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-19 Thread Sven
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 10:14:57AM -0700, Laurent de Segur wrote: > What you are saying about ReiserFS is really unfortunate. When I read the > archive, there is no question that XFS is a lot more reliable than ReiserFS. > On the other hand, It seems that the Linux community is promoting heavily >

Re: XFS Install (was: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386))

2001-09-18 Thread Kevin van Haaren
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 02:21:37AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > Laurent de Segur wrote: > > > It's too bad that the XFS module (at least on ppc) is not part of the > > pre-compiled kernel image (ReiserFS is), > > Not really, you still need patches (at least Alan Cox's) to use ReiserFS on > big e

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-18 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 02:21:37AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > Laurent de Segur wrote: > > > It's too bad that the XFS module (at least on ppc) is not part of the > > pre-compiled kernel image (ReiserFS is), > > Not really, you still need patches (at least Alan Cox's) to use ReiserFS on > big e

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-18 Thread Michel Dänzer
Laurent de Segur wrote: > It's too bad that the XFS module (at least on ppc) is not part of the > pre-compiled kernel image (ReiserFS is), Not really, you still need patches (at least Alan Cox's) to use ReiserFS on big endian systems. > and that the XFS kernel patches lag a few kernel revs behin

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-18 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 03:03:06PM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote: > > This seems to be the first main stream example of FS conversion in linux. not really. ext3 really isn't any different from ext2 from a format perspective, the only thing `conversion' really does is add a journal inode (a file) and s

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-18 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 10:14:57AM -0700, Laurent de Segur wrote: > What you are saying about ReiserFS is really unfortunate. When I read the > archive, there is no question that XFS is a lot more reliable than ReiserFS. > On the other hand, It seems that the Linux community is promoting heavily >

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-18 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 12:48:12PM -0700, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Mike Fedyk wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 10:14:57AM -0700, Laurent de Segur wrote: > > > What you are saying about ReiserFS is really unfortunate. When I read the > > > archive, there is no questi

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-18 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Mike Fedyk wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 10:14:57AM -0700, Laurent de Segur wrote: > > What you are saying about ReiserFS is really unfortunate. When I read the > > archive, there is no question that XFS is a lot more reliable than ReiserFS. > > On the other hand, It seem

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-18 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 10:14:57AM -0700, Laurent de Segur wrote: > What you are saying about ReiserFS is really unfortunate. When I read the > archive, there is no question that XFS is a lot more reliable than ReiserFS. > On the other hand, It seems that the Linux community is promoting heavily >

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-18 Thread Laurent de Segur
sts.debian.org > Subject: Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386) > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 12:27:55AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: >> Laurent de Segur wrote: >> >>> Talking of which... Is anyone using one of the journaling fs (Reiser, XFS, >>> JFS) on Pow

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-18 Thread Sven
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 12:27:55AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > Laurent de Segur wrote: > > > Talking of which... Is anyone using one of the journaling fs (Reiser, XFS, > > JFS) on PowerPC daily and having some comments they would like to report? I > > was planning on switching to ReiserFS or XFS

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-14 Thread Bradley C. Midgley
> without any fuse I had to fix the ext2-fs manually for about 15min. Luckally > it > seems I haven't lost anything on both system. i make regular backups and use "e2fsck -y" to fix filesystems if e2fsck bails, falling back to the tape if data is lost. how many mortals really know how to do it be

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-14 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 05:07:39PM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote: > > the conclusion is macos is just stuffing its head in the sand. > > Exactly. > > Run Norton Utilities or the brain dead utility that comes with MacOS on it, > and it will find and hopefully repair the errors. > > If you don't do this

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-13 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 03:47:25PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:02:03PM +0200, Otto Wyss wrote: > > While reading the thread about "HFS Plus on Linux ?" I had a experience I > > want > > to share with you. > > > > Within a an hour I had to hard reset both of my compute

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-13 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 06:31:06PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > Laurent de Segur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Talking of which... Is anyone using one of the journaling fs > > (Reiser, XFS, JFS) on PowerPC daily and having some comments they > > would like to report? I was planning on switchi

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-13 Thread Ethan Benson
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:02:03PM +0200, Otto Wyss wrote: > While reading the thread about "HFS Plus on Linux ?" I had a experience I want > to share with you. > > Within a an hour I had to hard reset both of my computers, first my Linux-i386 > due to a complete lockup of the system while using

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-13 Thread Colin Walters
Laurent de Segur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Talking of which... Is anyone using one of the journaling fs > (Reiser, XFS, JFS) on PowerPC daily and having some comments they > would like to report? I was planning on switching to ReiserFS or XFS > for my home dir. Which one, if any, would be the

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-13 Thread Michel Dänzer
Laurent de Segur wrote: > Talking of which... Is anyone using one of the journaling fs (Reiser, XFS, > JFS) on PowerPC daily and having some comments they would like to report? I > was planning on switching to ReiserFS or XFS for my home dir. Which one, if > any, would be the most stable? I poste

Re: HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-13 Thread Laurent de Segur
on 9/13/01 2:02 PM, Otto Wyss at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I leave it up to you to draw any conclusion. I am not sure if we can draw any conclusions from individual and isolated cases. I found ext2 extremely reliable so far. Most boo boo I had happened with HFS in the past (but then I was using

HFS+ (MacOS) in contrast to EXT2 (Linux-i386)

2001-09-13 Thread Otto Wyss
While reading the thread about "HFS Plus on Linux ?" I had a experience I want to share with you. Within a an hour I had to hard reset both of my computers, first my Linux-i386 due to a complete lockup of the system while using el3diag, second my powermac due to an not responding USB-keyboard/-mo