y problem was.
Also, the link I remembered in my previous mail is this one:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/SCSI/atto_oem_flashrom_tip.html
But I don't know what was so interesting about it :-)
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ism breaks, and that's what the
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Now, after this (rather long, after all :-) explanation, questions to
those with this Airport problem: are you using PPPoE (i.e. ADSL or some
other broadband medium) to connect to the Internet?
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ur archives are still a bit
smaller than i386 :-)
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has newer firmware than 8.40, but only bundled with the OS X
Airport software.
Hope this helps...
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g devices), or
that you don't have access to them.
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.b that works, or put it up
> somewhere to download?
http://www.cpu.lu/~mlan/ftp/quik-first.b-g3
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didn't realise that until now.
This is with a 604 processor, right? Then yes, you should try to get a
cheap cache DIMM from Ebay. For the 7x00/8x00 machines cache increased
performance by up to 20%.
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>> >> - check your hard disk speed: hdpar
n the 7600, connected to a Promise IDE controller, I get
12 MB/sec. That _does_ help a lot for kernel compiles.
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; I originally fixed quik for
my old LinuxPPC installation, but didn't reinstall quik when moving to
woody. On the beige G3 at work I had the problem and used my old first.b
from the 7600... without really investigating what the root problem was.
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ded machine, right? Then this is most definitely a
bug in quik. Have a look at:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=173484
That should solve your problem.
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CPU upgrade. 300-400 MHz cards should be
cheap by now...
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ontroller have to do with the IDE controller above?
> I've updated the card's firmware under mac os to version 3.21.
Is this car supported under MacOS? Does it emulate a SCSI controller?
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re looking for), and that using that in your X config.
If it is a fixed-frequency monitor, you will need to build a custom
modeline for it. Google a bit around, there are HOWTOs around about how
to do that.
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heat than before (Toshiba disk).
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, in X, you use the fbdev driver.
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wever...
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the odld to
the new disk.
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09:47:31PM +0100, Michel Lanners wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> For roughly two weeks now, I've had serious problems with the Airport
>> card in my first-gen TiBook.
>>
>> It will find the base station OK, get the 'usual' low link quality, and
Some googling around shows that others have had the same symptoms, but
no definite answer.
Thoughts, anyone?
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e blocks):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg|less
[...]
SCSI device sda: 8467200 512-byte hdwr sectors (4335 MB)
sda: [mac] sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 sda9 sda10 sda11
[...]
> Do you know which versions of mac-fdisk had these problems?
Unfortunately no.
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oning with some (older?) versions of mac-fdisk (aka pdisk).
Try using badblocks to verify the drives are OK. Or try using 'dd' to
read the entire drive (something like dd if=/dev/sd of=/dev/null
bs=512 count=).
If this is your problem, you need to specify the correct drive size when
cr
ce more than it
helps. Just try it...
The point to keep in mind is that in order to make the G3 upgrades work,
some _must_ remove the cache, some _must_not_ in order for the upgrade
to work.
I'd say: if your box works with the cache removed, than do it.
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Ah, yes, but that works only now with kernel apm emulation (which hasn't
been around _that_ long...). Before, I had to rely on pmud's APM
emulation. And that is by default in /etc...
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superior
keycode 26 = e E EuroSign Ediaeresis
keycode 28 = t T trademark Icircumflex
keycode 77 = Delete
keycode 113 =
clear Mod1
clear Mod3
add Mod1 = Alt_R
add Mod3 = Mode_switch
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dn't recommend such a setup. In that case you can just connect the
ADSL modem on your LAN and drop any firewall functionality.
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tion.
[..]
tmpfs /tmptmpfs size=50M,mode=1777 0 0
- put the pmud socket somewhere else than the default /etc/power/apm.
This was being read all the time by asapm displaying bat status:
/etc/default/power:
PMUD_FLAGS=-a/tmp/apm
Obviously, you need to adapt any
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> On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 21:47, Michel Lanners wrote:
>> On 13 Dec, this message from Derrik Pates echoed through cyberspace:
>> [snip]
>> > Yay! It's not just me. Thank you very much,
use for it.)
PlanB works? Yeah!!! You just made my day :-))
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I should believe in the lifetime-limited-by-charge-cycle
story... There is obviously a limit of how many times you can recharge a
battery, but I bet other parameters have a lot more influence on the
lifetime of a battery.
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y regularly
recharging the battery a bit.
In general, this is considered good practice and doesn't adversly affect
battery life.
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On the 9600, it depends.. Have a look at 'lspci' and look for VGA. Some
had IMSTT cards, others ATI Rage cards, IIRC.
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range of bus frequencies you can reliably use. YMMV...
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could also mean that libmpeg2 doesn't have any processor-specific,
optimized code for PPC (rather than complaining about missing hardware
support). Dunno...
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ion of your build tree in the
meantime.
Probably as close as yoou can get to the 'right thing' short of forcing
the user to specify includes all the time.
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make so I can use apt?
edit /etc/apt/apt.conf:
// Proxy setting:
Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxy.your.domain:port";;
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o the MESH connector.
However, unless you install an additional SCSI cable, that would put
your SCSI disk also on the slower bus.
The final fix is obviously fixing the bug, but noone has taken the time
to do so yet (hint, hint :-).
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e bootable.
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3 at work and I sometimes think it is worse in perceived
speed than my even older 7600/G3-300.
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s of no use on platforms other than x86 (maybe
Alpha, but that's it then...).
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ether the PCCard
support software will see it 'out of the box', or whether you need to
tweek it's config.
There's no definite answer until you try...
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about 5 seconds; this
> will not reset the PMU, and so will keep your time intact.
No, for me the PMU got reset when something bad happened on
entering/leaving sleep.
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T flag from NVRAM. This DST flag will be
wrong, unless you boot MacOS to bring the clock over a DST/non-DST
switch. Anybody up for patching MacOS to work with UTC time? :-)
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nt IDE bus? Does the installer's
shell have 'md5sum', so you could verify the MD5 from within the
installer? Or, from the other machine's disk in this box, if that works
out...
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. Look here:
http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/520_Fixes/520_%26_540.htm
But all this is at your own risk...
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, vmode/cmode values are common among all framebuffer
drivers that work on Macs. Look in:
/usr/src/linux/include/video/macmodes.h
for the full list. Obviously, not all driver/monitor combinations will
support all of them.
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on:
dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation = 1
dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode = 96
dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode = 87
(my example, see sysctl.conf (5) for details; sysctl is provided by the
procps package)
That's probably easier
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> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:10:14 +0200 (CEST)
> Michel Lanners <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Please tell your mail client to do linebreaks at something sane like
>> 72 characters... Thx.
>
> yes sorry
dev/hda.
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ion is _really_
Localtalk; I think I remember some of the Epson's simply running a
serial connection at some very high speed (like 230 kb/s or so...).
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nels available? We should check whether they
have everything neeeded for BootX booting compiled-in. AFAICT the only
option related to BootX is:
CONFIG_BOOTX_TEXT=y
This is from my 2.4.19-presomething kernel that _does_ boot my 7600 with
BootX.
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ake sure you _do_ get a 2.4 kernel to boot; AFAIR 2.2
kernels wil not see both of your PCI buses.
Then, once you get this solved (or even before just to see...) send
along the output of 'lspci -vv', so we can see what chips are detected
on your PCI bus.
Cheers
Miche
s you can read on the above page, it uses i386 BIOS calls to do its
work, and thus is i386 only. You'd need to disassemble the BIOS to find
out what it's doing
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> inpression that you only need this if you're gona use quik. Correct?
Probably yes...
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upported, which are (still)
connected to a (purely internal) ADB bus.
> CONFIG_MAC_HID=y
[snip]
The rest seems valid.
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On 12 Sep, this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] echoed through cyberspace:
> Quoting Michel Lanners <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > In this condition X use 800x600 résolution. I understand that
>> the 800 x600 mode need to be initialised before, or else it goes
&g
x27;m no
quik.conf specialist...)?
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On 11 Sep, this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] echoed through cyberspace:
> Quoting Michel Lanners <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> On 8 Sep, this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] echoed through
>> cyberspace:
>> >> Can you show us your /var/log/XFree86.0.log?
>
es anyone on this list have this machine booting from internal
>> hd (/ide/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:n) and is willing to share config & of settings ?
>
> We have one person (Michel Lanners if memory serves?)
It does :-)
> on the list who
> boots his beige G3 using quik - but it'
st like flashing the bios? I`m new to the powermac hardware...
You can plug it in, yes. But you won't see any video output until the
kernel boots. Compile a kernel with atyfb and try it!
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vmode:18,cmode:0 (1152x870, 75Hz, 8 bpp)
^^^
...and these too, 8 resp. 16. The other seemed to work from macmodes.h,
but looking at the driver source, it only looks for the bit depth as
cmode.
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of the pci
> bus speed diff. (33/45Mhz) and the bios of the card...
PCI buses on Macs _always_ run at 33 MHz (or 666 MHz.. but that was
oneor two generations later :-) . Your 45 MHz is the CPU bus.
Making a Mach64 work in a 7200 can be done. Shouldn't be too hard
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s).
Go read Jean Tourrilhes' pages about wireless stuff:
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/
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d /dev/apm_bios c 10 134
>
> I already have that, and also pmud with "-a" option for apm compatibility.
Not pmud; has nothing to do here. What you want is APM emulation
compiled into the _kernel_.
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d a bit of wire soldering you could even
make old Macs wake-on-lan :-)
Enjoy!
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a? Thanks.
Please set your mailer to do linebreaks at a sane line lenght.
Re. your problems, that looks suspiciously like a hardware problem, most
probably with faulty RAM.
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le wakeup by the GPi in of the Geoport serial
ports).
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which is needed
according to my Altivec manual (but may not be sufficient, warning).
There's one other place in the kernel that lacks a sync after dssall: in
'_set_L3CR'.
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p settings, here is a link to pmacpow,
which sets the box to automatically boot up at some time time in the
future:
README:
ftp://ppc.linux.or.jp/pub/users/toe/pmacpow-tool/README.pmacpow
Source:
ftp://ppc.linux.or.jp/pub/users/toe/pmacpow-tool/pmacpow-tool-991021.tar.gz
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On 29 Aug, this message from Michel Dänzer echoed through cyberspace:
> On Die, 2002-08-27 at 21:46, Michel Lanners wrote:
>> On 20 Aug, this message from Michel Dänzer echoed through cyberspace:
>> > This is probably a bug related to framebuffer offset and/or line length.
o trace the bug to
its root.
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do some more testing, but didn't come around to that
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chel
PS By the way, should you be forced to reinstall, create the Bootstrap
partition _before_ any other user partitions!
PPS Don't hold me responsible if I screwed up the calculations of size &
offset in the map above...
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ory details.
We could move the l2cr sysctl out of ppc_htab.c together with ICTC
control into a separate ppc_sysctl.c file.
What remains is to decide whether ICTC gets a separate feature bit in
cputable.[c,h].
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card one of
these days with a network benchmark tool à la ttcp.
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_under_optimal_conditions... meaning using 'Read Multiple' and 'Memory
Write & Invalidate' PCI commands for the card's DMA operations. No idea
what the RTL8139 on my card really uses
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> settings on the PPC-MAC side?
No, since the bus stays at 33 MHz.
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hardware.
Try to get a controller that will do 'Memory Write and Invalidate' and
'Memory Read Multiple' DMA transfers over the PCI bus; those will give
you maximum performance. No idea though which ones will indeed support
those... Maybe have a look at the driver source codes
i/mac-io/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
(all on the first IDE bus)
/ide1/ -> /pci/mac-io/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
(second IDE bus)
There is no alias 'ata' nor 'ata-disk' (on my machine, at least).
Except I'm booting from SCSI, quik works perfectly well on my beige
G3.
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hat's long gone when you install...
On the other hand, some systems were rather sensitive to hardware
changes. You never know...
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good quality
> component.
Sure about that? All the other first-gen systems have their L2 cache on
a DIMM....
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ot; "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
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The highest modes will only be available if you have enough VRAM.
/var/log/XFree86.0.log will tell you what got chosen, what got ignored,
and why.
There _may_ be a problem running X in a resol
> I have got all the ducks lined up in order to install j2re1.3 but it is
> requiring locales and locales depends on glibc-2.2.5-7 and I have not
> been able to find a binary for that in the debian arch. I found it in
> the ppc.rpm but not debian...
Add woody security updates to your sources.list
#x27;control' driver.
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ike this:
PowerMac Z8530 serial driver version 2.0
tty00 at 0xfcea6020 (irq = 15) is a Z8530 ESCC, port = modem
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On 12 Jul, this message from Steve Pacenka echoed through cyberspace:
> On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 16:18, Michel Lanners wrote:
>> On 11 Jul, this message from Steve Pacenka echoed through cyberspace:
>> > Activating audio required modprobe dmasound (made permandent via echo
&g
to group audio.
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e that relies on char's signedness to explicitly ask for
signed or unsigned chars (clean solution).
As someone else posted, in this case, neither is the 'right' solution.
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sing an editor is not such a good idea, because editors do a lot more
with files than just reading and writing (seeking, copying into temp
buffers, etc...).
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kind of DSL connection?
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; cdimage.debian.org has a jigdo-area directory. The ppc one is of 1st July.
Yes, there were problems with jigdo's MD5 checksum code on bigendian
systems. They should be resolved in the latest version (>= 0.6.5, IIRC).
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what
you're seeing.
No idea how you can switch it back up...
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Why do you conclude it finds the modem? Any positive feedback from
wvdial?
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AKEDEV is your friend.
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