Bug#64437: PROPOSED] Must/Should/May in policy

2000-05-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 12:48:15PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 21-May-00, 04:01 (CDT), Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > > > - must meet all policy requirements presented in this > > + should meet all policy requirements presented in this > >

Bug#64516: debian-policy: Typo: 1744s/tty/ttyS/

2000-05-22 Thread david
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.1.1.1 The line "Debian uses the serial device /dev/tty" should read "Debian uses the serial device /dev/ttyS". David

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-22 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 05:27:48PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > | Is there any naming convention for debian-specific documentation > > | packages? I would have expected such things to be called debian-blah, > > | similar to debian-policy. > > > > What d

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-22 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 05:27:48PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > | Is there any naming convention for debian-specific documentation > | packages? I would have expected such things to be called debian-blah, > | similar to debian-policy. > > What do folks think? I've long wanted to see that! The prim

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Massimo Dal Zotto
> Hi good people, > > There are all sorts of daemons for various services in Debian, and there are > services that have several daemons, and therefore several packages. To > enable smoother transitions from one daemon to another, we have instated > virtual packages which these packages can provide

Bug#64437: PROPOSED] Must/Should/May in policy

2000-05-22 Thread Steve Greenland
I second this proposal. I also suggest the following changes, but won't retract my second if they are not made. On 21-May-00, 04:01 (CDT), Anthony Towns wrote: > > > - must meet all policy requirements presented in this > + should meet all policy

of virtual packages and services

2000-05-22 Thread Ben Collins
Just a thought on the fingerd thread. What about having a general policy for network services in that perform a function. Basically it would say something like: A package which provides a network service can opt to Provide this service via a virtual package. The name of the virtual

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-22 Thread Robert D. Hilliard
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | Is there any naming convention for debian-specific documentation > | packages? I would have expected such things to be called debian-blah, > | similar to debian-policy. > > What do folks think? I fully agree with Joey's comments on the proposal.

Re: ITP seahorse

2000-05-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 10:42:09AM +0200, Petr Cech wrote: > On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 01:10:52AM -0400 , Branden Robinson wrote: > > At any rate, this thread is moronic. > > > > 1) DFSG-free packages that depend only on packages in main should go in > > main. > > > > 2) DFSG-free packages that de

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Herbert Xu
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 09:28:35PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 01:25:06PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > > > after uninstalling both fingerd and cfingerd my /etc/inetd.conf contains: > > #:INFO: Info services > > finger stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/t

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 09:27:10PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > You can't remove your entry selectively: update-inetd --remove will remove > > all finger-related entries, because the --pattern option doesn't work with > > --remove. > Wrong. the argument to --remove is the pattern. Doh! Maybe I wa

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Herbert Xu
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 01:25:06PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > after uninstalling both fingerd and cfingerd my /etc/inetd.conf contains: > #:INFO: Info services > finger stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd > /usr/sbin/in.fingerd > ## finger stream tcp nowai

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Herbert Xu
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 01:16:03PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > You can't remove your entry selectively: update-inetd --remove will remove > all finger-related entries, because the --pattern option doesn't work with > --remove. Funny thing is, it doesn't abort with an error because of false > arg

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 08:50:09PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 12:44:32PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > > > the point is, unless there is some hairy and complicated testing in > > (pre|post)(inst|rm), the best solution is to make all finger daemons > > conflict with eac

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 12:44:32PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > it does not remove itself from /etc/inetd.conf, just > comments out This is another one of those beautiful misfeatures of update-inetd that confuse everyone using it in packages. update-inetd be

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Richard Braakman
(Trimmed to just debian-policy. Why did you mail to both debian-devel and debian-policy? That defeats the purpose of having a policy list.) On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 12:37:43PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > But if it's that easy to implement, and there is someone to do it, why not > allow it in pota

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Herbert Xu
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 12:44:32PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > the point is, unless there is some hairy and complicated testing in > (pre|post)(inst|rm), the best solution is to make all finger daemons > conflict with each other. At least until there is some other way of dealing > with /etc

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Martin Schulze
Josip Rodin wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 08:42:42AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > I can (and will, if allowed) do as many NMUs as necessary to get this > > > done. > > > Since it should be done in potato, too, I'm sending this to Richard to ask > > > can I/we upload changed packages in fr

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 08:42:42AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > I can (and will, if allowed) do as many NMUs as necessary to get this done. > > Since it should be done in potato, too, I'm sending this to Richard to ask > > can I/we upload changed packages in frozen. We have one full week to do

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 07:47:45PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 11:43:51AM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > > > no, it's cfingerd that it broken - it happily removes entries, not noticing > > if they were made by cfingerd or anything else (at least did when I was > > packagi

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 10:26:16AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > Since there's not much point in running a fingerd on a non-standard port (at > > least I haven't seen done anywhere, or a finger program that can query > > different ports), it would seem appropriate to make these packages provide > >

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Herbert Xu
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 11:43:51AM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > > no, it's cfingerd that it broken - it happily removes entries, not noticing > if they were made by cfingerd or anything else (at least did when I was > packaging efingerd, a long time ago) > Or is this preferrable behaviour? Tha

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 07:38:09PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It would not be better. I had to add the Conflict line because otherwise > > you would install efingerd over (e.g.) cfinger, and either it would > > remove cfinger from /etc/inetd.conf,

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Herbert Xu
Radovan Garabik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It would not be better. I had to add the Conflict line because otherwise > you would install efingerd over (e.g.) cfinger, and either it would > remove cfinger from /etc/inetd.conf, and when you removed cfinger it > happily deleted efingerd entry, or

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 01:48:32PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 10:26:16AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 04:13:43PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > Since there's not much point in running a fingerd on a non-standard port > > > (at > > > least I haven

Re: Finger daemons in Debian should use a virtual package

2000-05-22 Thread Martin Schulze
Josip Rodin wrote: > I can (and will, if allowed) do as many NMUs as necessary to get this done. > Since it should be done in potato, too, I'm sending this to Richard to ask > can I/we upload changed packages in frozen. We have one full week to do it, > which should be enough (these packages aren't

Re: PROPOSAL: complete list of documentation files, "man ", all man pages refer to said doc list in "See Also" section

2000-05-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 21-May-00, 23:25 (CDT), "Stephen R. Gore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland wrote: > > Actually, if there is an INSTALL type document, I usually don't include > > it in the package. The user doesn't need to know how to configure and > > compile the softwarer -- that's the major point