Loc'n of constitution (was Re: Policy about policy)

1999-09-05 Thread Chris Waters
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also, I think the debian constitution should be included in > /usr/doc/debian-policy/. As near as I can tell, it's not included in any > other package -- and it's at least as important as the proposal document. It's in the developers-reference package.

Re: Shlibs files and libfoo.so

1999-09-05 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 12:25:09PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > And I have yet to hear a better idea to solve the problem. I have said I > would withdraw my proposal if I heard another reasonable idea. Simply not > using dpkg-shlibdeps isn't IMO reasonable, neither is hacking a binary. All righ

Re: Policy about policy

1999-09-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> (a) documenting existing practice, and Raul> (b) getting approval from relevant package developers, and Raul> (c) getting the technical committee to approve (or disapprove) a Raul> completed proposal, and Raul> (d) getting the

Re: Policy about policy

1999-09-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Here's my (informal) reading of the constitution: Raul> (1) the developers who maintain debian-policy have complete control Raul> over what goes into the debian-policy package -- except where that would Raul> conflict with what oth

Re: Policy about policy

1999-09-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> If it's been accepted as debian policy (not technical policy, obviously) Raul> then I think this document should be updated to reflect this status. The proposal is not Debian policy. It is merely informal guidelines that thi

Re: Policy about policy

1999-09-05 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hello, On Sun, Sep 05, 1999 at 03:07:48PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > In the wake of the 3.0.0.0 release of debian policy, I've been studying > the policy process. Which has worked almost flawlessy for some time before the big FHS bang. Let's not try to fix things that are not broken. Most of th

Policy about policy

1999-09-05 Thread Raul Miller
In the wake of the 3.0.0.0 release of debian policy, I've been studying the policy process. In particular, I've been looking at the debian constitution, and the contents of the 3.0.1.1 debian-policy package. Originally, I was going to make a formal proposal to update debian policy. However acco

[Result] Moving to the FHS: ...

1999-09-05 Thread Raul Miller
Short form: When moving to FHS, we need to provide /usr/doc/ -> /usr/share/doc/ symlink for backwards fsstnd compatability. Long form: See the debian-ctte mail archives. Basically, however, Wichert asked the committee for a migration strategy on August 5: http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/de

Re: [Discussion] Policy upgrade checklist

1999-09-05 Thread joey
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I would like to ask the people creating a proposal to also > create a short description of the proposal, in a couple of sentences, > that can then go into the upgrade-checklist (and make the weekly > summary easier to generate). I strongly second this. :-) Make

[Discussion] Policy upgrade checklist

1999-09-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, It has been brought to my attention that it may be difficult to grok thae changes between two versions of policy, and the list in the upgrade checklist may not be detailed enough. There are two ways of making the differences between policy versions stand out -- a diff -uBb

Detailed changelog / Receipe

1999-09-05 Thread Martin Schulze
Hi, I'm currently discussing this with Joey and Manoj but cannot enforce it myself due to time constraints. For a maintainer it is very difficult to follow policy if there is no proper way to find out what needs to be done for a package that was compliant to policy version 2.5.0.0 and should now

Re: A configuration tool for debian

1999-09-05 Thread Joey Hess
Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: > It seems to me that much effort is being reproduced on this particular > subject. I agree completely with Wichert's spec -- as I recall it was > adapted from an RFC he found somewhere, that had been through > implementation. That kind of testing tends to solidify a s

Re: weekly policy summary

1999-09-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Franklin" == Franklin Belew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Franklin> If you do have a really good reason that people can't Franklin> rebuild their packages in the next 2 months, I'd like to Franklin> hear it. Is there ar eason that all packages can not be done within a week? No. D

Re: A configuration tool for debian

1999-09-05 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
On Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 09:39:56PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > At least 1 through 3 are already very well laid out via the debian > configuration management specification. See > http://www.debian.org/~wakkerma/config6/ > > I have a nearly-done implementation of it, too: > http://kitenet.net/programs

Re: weekly policy summary

1999-09-05 Thread Franklin Belew
On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 11:04:29AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > Here's what's been happening on debian-policy this week. > >Amendments > > Delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato (#42477) > * Stalled for 2 weeks. > * Pro

Re: Build-time dependencies on binary packages (Re: weekly policy summary)

1999-09-05 Thread Joey Hess
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 11:04:29AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > * Proposes the addition of four new fields to debian/control to > > specifiy different kinds of source dependancies (and conflicts, > > suggests, etc). > > This amendment does *not* specify any

Re: A configuration tool for debian

1999-09-05 Thread Joey Hess
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 1) It must have many interfaces (GUI-base, Web-based, etc.). Check. Plain old text, dialog, gtk, web, cany others someone cares to write, all done. > 2) The files where the configurations are stored must be easy to edit >with a normal text editor. Check. Can suppor

Re: Shlibs files and libfoo.so

1999-09-05 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 07:13:52PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 08:10:07PM -0400, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote: > > > And I have yet to hear a better idea to solve the problem. I have said I > > > would withdraw my proposal if I heard another reasonable idea. Simply not > > >

Re: Shlibs files and libfoo.so

1999-09-05 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 08:10:07PM -0400, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote: > > And I have yet to hear a better idea to solve the problem. I have said I > > would withdraw my proposal if I heard another reasonable idea. Simply not > > using dpkg-shlibdeps isn't IMO reasonable, neither is hacking a binary.

Build-time dependencies on binary packages (Re: weekly policy summary)

1999-09-05 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 11:04:29AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > * Proposes the addition of four new fields to debian/control to > specifiy different kinds of source dependancies (and conflicts, > suggests, etc). This amendment does *not* specify any build-time "suggests" relationships. --

Re: Shlibs files and libfoo.so

1999-09-05 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Sat, Sep 04, 1999 at 12:25:09PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > Other packages for similar reasons are built without dpkg-shlibdeps. I > decided to fix this bug. And now my bugfix is being stonewalled for > political reasons. If those who oppose policy ammendments aren't willing > to stand beh