Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-14 Thread Jules Bean
On 14 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Joey> Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> I agree. I also say it applies to licenses as well. If not, > >> please provide reasons (which I shall turn around and use for > >> standards, then). > >

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I agree. I also say it applies to licenses as well. If not, >> please provide reasons (which I shall turn around and use for >> standards, then). Joey> In an ideal world it'd apply to licenses. We don't li

Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Joseph" == Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Actually, I am going to make a stand about our Hypocrisy; >> anything that you have said also applies to Licenses. You want to >> throw things like the FHS and others out of main, you have to throw >> out the DFSG, the social cont

Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Something to consider: you have gone a ong way towards convincing me >> that the rename-and-distinguish-if-modified clause is a good thing if >> one is creating a standard; but what if

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I agree. I also say it applies to licenses as well. If not, > please provide reasons (which I shall turn around and use for > standards, then). In an ideal world it'd apply to licenses. We don't live in that world and if we insited on requiring this anyway, debian

Re: Licenses for non-software entities

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Charles" == Charles Briscoe-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Charles> "Non-software"? Data is software, isn't it? Not as the term is commonly used. >From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (15Feb98) (foldoc) software Computer {programs}, as opposed to the computers

Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-14 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Aug 14, 1998 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Something to consider: you have gone a ong way towards > convincing me that the rename-and-distinguish-if-modified clause is a > good thing if one is creating a standard; but what if the author has > gone the route of no m

Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-14 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Something to consider: you have gone a ong way towards convincing me > that the rename-and-distinguish-if-modified clause is a good thing if > one is creating a standard; but what if the author has gone the route > of no modifications at all? Is thi

Re: Licenses for non-software entities

1998-08-14 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
(I'm afraid the discussion will have moved on since I wrote this; I am subject to a lag of about a day. If the discussion has progressed to the point that this is irrelevant, feel free to ignore it.) In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Licenses for non-software entities >

[Fwd: solution for /etc/X11/window-managers]

1998-08-14 Thread Shaleh
I sent this to wmpeople and [EMAIL PROTECTED] yesterday. Shaleh wrote: > > Currently Debian supports /etc/X11/window-managers as a place to > register window managers w/ X. The first window manager in the list is > run as default unless the user specifies on when X starts (in .xinitrc > or what

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> Hello, Marcus> this is was RMS told me about this topic. I think it is Marcus> relevant for the discussion. It contains an example where a Marcus> free standard would have been useful and provides yet another Marcus> solu

Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, All Right!. This is a good message; something I can sink my teeth into. Something to consider: you have gone a ong way towards convincing me that the rename-and-distinguish-if-modified clause is a good thing if one is creating a standard; but what if the author has gone th

What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-14 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hello, this is was RMS told me about this topic. I think it is relevant for the discussion. It contains an example where a free standard would have been useful and provides yet another solution for standard authors to protect the integrity of their standard. There are now many ways for authors t

Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-14 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Aug 13, 1998 at 11:53:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Marcus> Great option. Imagine the free software would follow the same > Marcus> criterion. "If you want to publish a variant C compiler, you > Marcus> can alw

[srivasta@datasync.com: Re: changes and standards documents]

1998-08-14 Thread Martin Schulze
I believe this is the last mail that wasn't delivered due to failure. Regards, Joey - Forwarded message from Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> Great option. Imagine the free software would follow the s

Re: changes and standards documents

1998-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> Great option. Imagine the free software would follow the same Marcus> criterion. "If you want to publish a variant C compiler, you Marcus> can always rewrite gcc". *Sigh*. Again you harp on software, and ins

Re: Licenses for non-software entities

1998-08-14 Thread Buddha Buck
> > starters. What about the GPL etc? By all rights the GPL itself should > > be in the verbatim section. > > The GPL has a built-in copying clause: > > Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA > > Ev

Immutable Standards Licenses

1998-08-14 Thread Marc Santoro
There was a recent discussion on standards licenses, and whether or not they should be under the GPL, or under the standard they describe. In my opinion, this should almost never be the case. A standard needs to be under a very flexible license, if a standard does not adapt, it will die. A standard