Hello, this is was RMS told me about this topic. I think it is relevant for the discussion. It contains an example where a free standard would have been useful and provides yet another solution for standard authors to protect the integrity of their standard.
There are now many ways for authors to do this: a) Require a name change. b) Reuqire clear marks where the document has been changed. c) Require original source with diff. d) Require that a non-technical part is only shipped with the verbatim standard (see below). I think this is sufficient to address Manojs fears about the integritation of the standard. Manoj, if you still think that derived works will be problematic for the community, despite the four possibilities above, it is your turn to give technical arguments why the integrity of standard documents needs even more protection. Thank you, Marcus ----- Forwarded message from Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:38:48 +0200 Received: from localhost (mailhost.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) [127.0.0.1] (root) by localhost with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 0z7HFw-0002CS-00; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:38:48 +0200 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 12728 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1998 04:49:12 -0000 Received: from mescaline.gnu.org (158.121.106.21) by mailhost.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 04:49:12 -0000 Received: from psilocin.gnu.org (psilocin.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.56]) by mescaline.gnu.org (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id AAA22263; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:50:41 -0400 Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by psilocin.gnu.org (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id AAA26725; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:51:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:51:04 -0400 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (message from Buddha Buck on Thu, 13 Aug 1998 05:21:45 -0400) Subject: Re: Questions regarding free documentation. Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-UIDL: 68fa4a88c2a28d7e824f5a62ef3ccc86 I agree there is a real practical use in enabling people to be sure they have the official version of the standard. On the other hand, making modified versions of standards documents is extremely useful. Consider GNU C. It implements the ANSI C standard (though it does not entirely conform unless you use certain options), plus nonstandard extensions. We still don't have a manual for the GNU dialect of the C language; we don't have any sort of C reference manual to include in GNU systems. The ANSI C Standard as it stands is not a correct reference for GCC, but if we were allowed to make a free reference manual by modifying the ANSI C Standard, I am sure we would have had one by 1990. In general, we can expect technical standards documents to be very useful in this way. A policy that puts them off limits for modification is going to cause a major problem. I have a suggestion for how to achieve both goals. This is to permit modification of the document with the requirement that certain non-technical sections (the ones that explain that it is a standard) are *deleted* from any modified version. That way, people will be free to modify it into documentation for the programs that come close to implementing the standard. But people will still be able to have confidence that the document which is labeled as the standard is the real standard. Feel free to forward this to other people if you think that is useful. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "Rhubarb is no Egyptian god." Debian GNU/Linux finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09