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with me and sign my key so I can get going with the rest (and IMO more
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I'm not really sure I understand your situation, but if your packages
are in a directory you could use
dpkg -i $(ls )
The --force-downgrade option of dpkg is on by default, so you shouldn't
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specific optimisation, but dpkg's architecture list does not
support sub-archs, therefor you must change the name of you package
manualy to something like -i686 to specify what you want.
Leave the Arch field in debian/control as i386, that's the best dpkg can
do for you right now.
Hope I w
're
not using it right.
debian/rules should have something like this:
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> Which is the good(TM) procedure to perform such a changes?
Did any of the binary package names change? If so, maybe it would be
good to leave the old package name there to provide easy upgrade,
turning it into a virtual-package.
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I'm not really sure I understand your situation, but if your packages
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dpkg -i $(ls )
The --force-downgrade option of dpkg is on by default, so you shouldn't
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support sub-archs, therefor you must change the name of you package
manualy to something like -i686 to specify what you want.
Leave the Arch field in debian/control as i386, that's the best dpkg can
do for you right now.
Hope I w
're
not using it right.
debian/rules should have something like this:
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> Which is the good(TM) procedure to perform such a changes?
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doing this, but I'd personally say you don't need to bump versions
before the package actually gets into the archive, so you could just
stick with '-1' for a Debian version, so merging the changelog entries
should do the trick.
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Felipe Sateler wrote:
> This can be triggered with the -v option to dpkg-buildpackage
Live and learn. Never noticed that one before! :-)
Uploading.
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#x27;, as pointed out by others! :-)
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ackage really interesting, if you ever need a
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nt to intrude into anything you guys might have
already talked about, but it seemed like a nice step to integrate it
with the team.
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Paul Wise wrote:
> Obviously that is a hack/workaround for upstream's buggy build system,
> be sure to send a patch upstream that fixes it.
Yup, agreed.
This shouldn't be too hard since upstream is (was?) a DD (hadess).
The package has been uploaded with the workaround for now.
>
Precisely, this did the trick. Just add 'chrpath' to the build-deps too.
Update it in the SVN and I'll upload it.
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use chrpath to clean it after the build
and advise upstream to cleanup the configure script.
What do you think?
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Mike O'Connor wrote:
> src/gconf-bridge.* and most of the files in the telepathy directory
> have copyright holders not mentioned in debian/copyright.
Francesco, will you take a look at these, before I sponsor the package?
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Francesco Namuri wrote:
> I'm looking for a temporary sponsor for gnome-phone-manager 0.40-3,
Still need this? Can I check it out from svn.d.o, or do you have any
uncommited changes somewhere?
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base source code dir.
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ain, I will send you the
> whole stuff. Thanky for this !
That doesn't sound very optimistic.
But even if you do "fail" (by your standards) there's no need to send me
the packages. I can get them from the original website.
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reading them in a different place? Just the work of the
person writing you an answer (in this case: me).
At any rate, if you're not interested in making an effort with this
package, I might take it over and package it myself. It seems
interesting, but I'll need to take a better look before commi
d-time
- Patch the configure script on build-time
Any other ideas?
I'll probably update the wiki[0] with these suggestions and give it a
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> The way I see it the options for dealing with RPATH are:
>
- And, of course, using 'chrpath' on debian/rules
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>> - And, of course, using 'chrpath' on debian/rules
>
> No, it doesn't work for AMD. I tried to use chrpath directly to
> binaries files, but it didn't work.
Ar
you're NOT rebuilding the
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Russ Allbery wrote:
> lintian.debian.org only checks i386.
Oh, now that makes sense!
Guess the obvious sometimes slips by unnoticed :-)
But anyway, I have an amd64 server and a package with the same problem
which chrpath solved, so my argument stands.
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evocation certificate in safe, offline places, in case of emergency.
Do some research on the topic. Wikipedia is your friend (even if it's
not always particularly right about everything). It might ease your life
if you intend on becoming a Debian Maintainer or Developer.
Cheers and
quick check with debc, aside from lintian is
always a good idea, but the package seems good.
After you take a look at these issues (or just justify them) I can
sponsor you, if no one with more expertise in this sort of package pops
up until - let's say - monday.
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t format is perfectly in order in this case and
the name of the base source directory doesn't really matter much.
Or did I misunderstand your question?
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problem with it, then I've unknowingly been
making this mistake for years... :)
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could be generated just as well before each new release.
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>
> I would be glad if someone reviewed and uploaded this package for me.
I'll take a look at it ASAP and get back to you.
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Gabriele Giacone wrote:
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>> Was 0.3 already released somewhere? I can find no traces of it either on
>> the homepage, the maemo.org project page or SVN.
>
> No and yes. There are no 0.3 binary releases but I found this [1]: 7
> wee
r.gz.
I don't think I'm seeing the issue here. Care to elaborate a bit more?
Isn't that the whole idea behind patching and running autoreconf in the
first place? If we wanted the changed files produced by autoreconf in
the debian.tar.gz we wouldn't need to run it, right? What a
ld have
thought of that... :)
Still, probably wouldn't cause build issues, but it sure is ugly!
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a DD, right? So you need the practice!
I just wanna have a hand in it. Practically just a psychological thing! :)
If you still wanna maintain it, incorporate the mentioned fixes and I'll
upload it!
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> Matthew Palmer wrote:
>> In addition, the FAQ for this list:
>> http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html might answer some
>> of your questions.
>
> As a side note, wouldn't the wiki be the perfect place
ry end.
Mathew had answered saying I was free to do so, I just hadn't realized
his reply was private and not on-list. I interpreted this answer as
permission, but perhaps an explicit (and public) one would be better.
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lists.d.o page.
>
> Update the IRC channel topic.
>
> Search the website for the old link and update all the links.
I'd consider doing these after the wiki version gathers at least a bit
of support. My point was just taking a bit of the responsibility off of
Mathew's b
ally save a significant amount of time by not
using dh/cdbs/whatever during package builds (and by significant I mean
more than just a couple of seconds per build).
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least - for all but the
most pathological cases) you're always relying on something you probably
don't understand completely and making rules files more explicit, while
still using wrappers and helpers, has no direct effect on this. It only
makes for more text to parse.
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On 13/08/11 15:03, Michael Rasmussen wrote:
> But vnstat is already present:
But it's maintained by the QA team, so maybe an adoption would be in order?
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If no pkg-gnome maintainer objects, I could upload it in the coming week.
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-status-menu) and this should be much
> better.
User-theme might also be a good candidate, since it's unintrusive and
gnome-tweak-tool already expects to find it.
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ontrib free
My sources.list has:
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
Change "unstable" for the distribution you use.
Why the hell did you put "free" in there? That's redundant! =]
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load anything.
Good luck
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ish manually the new
database
3) do not delete the old one without asking explicitly, with a high
debconf priority (IMHO that's the best threshold between user
interaction and space bloat)
Remember to have a sensible enough preinst to detect the need for
migration.
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, so, does it need
to stay in contrib?
Maybe it's still time to contact the archive admins and change the
section before the first version hits unstable (during security
scrutiny).
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What can I do about the forwarded problem?
I tried reuploading the files + the orig.tar.gz, but it generated the
same problem.
Any pointers?
Cheers and thanks
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version?
Yes, both -1 and -2 versions were built with the exact same file. The
.dsc's both have the same md5sum.
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like your plan, but
you're free to try to convince me, prove me wrong, or just ignore me and
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I am trying to recompile Gaim and create a dev package, if I succeed
I'll poke Robert McQueen about uploading it, if he agreed.
That should solve all our problems (in an ideal world, as you pointed
out).
Cheers
[1] To stress it out: that'
Hi all
What can I do about the forwarded problem?
I tried reuploading the files + the orig.tar.gz, but it generated the
same problem.
Any pointers?
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, so, does it need
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Maybe it's still time to contact the archive admins and change the
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like your plan, but
you're free to try to convince me, prove me wrong, or just ignore me and
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I am trying to recompile Gaim and create a dev package, if I succeed
I'll poke Robert McQueen about uploading it, if he agreed.
That should solve all our problems (in an ideal world, as you pointed
out).
Cheers
[1] To stress it out: that'
gree, but I don't think this should be put in a
separate package. Sounds very kludgy.
The "none" option could be included with X itself, this way you'd be
able to use the alternatives system without the need for a hack and the
setting would persist.
This could be a wishlist bug fo
ld be appreciated.
Files: http://www.ivanwong.info/gaim-hotkeys/
Cheers,
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ion to stable could - if the
internal changes were really so big - bring a whole series of unforeseen
compatibility issues.
I'd advise the user to upgrade manually or use another way to do his
thing, record your reasons in the bug's log and tag it wontfix.
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arch-indep package on the
control file.
I think that's it, but what do I know? I'm on the AM queue for 6 months
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LAGS = "-O2 -Wall"
if
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I'm not sure this is the Best Way(tm), but it should work...
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have to go
> through each page to print it.
apt-get install debian-policy
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running, or is it the plan to force gnome1.2 apps into gnome2?
THIRD and last: should I bump the changelog's urgency about this bugs?
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nging the sources to something
> suitable.
File a RFP on your own program, wait for a suitable Debian Developer (or
wannabe Developer) to become interested.
IMO, it's easier that way! =]
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>
> Can anyone tell me if I might qualify for access to these machines for
> debugging packaging portability problem purposes, and if how, how to
> get it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Schacht
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> Should I release the doc html and txt version with my package?
> Make doc-linux-html a dependency doesn't seems good to me due the size.
>
> Best cheers,
>
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not in
> Debian, although I don't know if this is is the reason. Anybody
> familiar with this terrain feel like commenting?
For your second problem, I think debian-legal is a better place to ask,
though I assume you will encounter resistance in your path...
Worst case scenario: packa
y.
I'm not sure about the gzip direct usage though (but assume It's OK).
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ontrib free
My sources.list has:
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
Change "unstable" for the distribution you use.
Why the hell did you put "free" in there? That's redundant! =]
Hope this works out for you.
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thing.
Good luck
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ish manually the new
database
3) do not delete the old one without asking explicitly, with a high
debconf priority (IMHO that's the best threshold between user
interaction and space bloat)
Remember to have a sensible enough preinst to detect the need for
migration.
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ion to stable could - if the
internal changes were really so big - bring a whole series of unforeseen
compatibility issues.
I'd advise the user to upgrade manually or use another way to do his
thing, record your reasons in the bug's log and tag it wontfix.
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arch-indep package on the
control file.
I think that's it, but what do I know? I'm on the AM queue for 6 months
=]
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this:
CFLAGS = "-O2 -Wall"
if
CFLAGS += "-mieee"
endif
I'm not sure this is the Best Way(tm), but it should work...
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have to go
> through each page to print it.
apt-get install debian-policy
=]
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apps
running, or is it the plan to force gnome1.2 apps into gnome2?
THIRD and last: should I bump the changelog's urgency about this bugs?
(the next upload will also be recompiled against libsigc++c102/gcc3.2)
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nging the sources to something
> suitable.
File a RFP on your own program, wait for a suitable Debian Developer (or
wannabe Developer) to become interested.
IMO, it's easier that way! =]
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