Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Jakob Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Doing that would be a dubious circumvention tactic in my book > (but perhaps not in any law book, IANAL). It would be simpler, > easier and more exact to distribute the script used for > extraction, then anyone can reproduce the results exactly. A key fac

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
The question is really quite moot. Wait until the next miscfiles release, and then simply copy the file from there. The version in miscfiles will be certainly free.

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > > > The next release of GNU miscfiles will have a version that is > > really free. We're going to first transform the existing file into > > some other useful format, which will then be licensed entir

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 03:50:22AM +0200, Jakob Bohm wrote: > The license appears to have CHANGED since version 3.2.0, I base > this on the note at the end saying that the unihan files contain > different terms which are overridden by the new license. The > large unihan files are unchanged since 3

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-09 Thread Jakob Bohm
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 07:08:35PM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200211/msg00304.html > > > > ...in which Edmund Grimley Evans says it's free. > > > Edmund Grimley EvansYES > > Th

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-09 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Ah. It would be nice to have a mail archive that doesn't chop threads >into calendar-month blocks. We do: search in linux.debian.legal on google groups. -- ciao, Marco

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-09 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200211/msg00304.html > > ...in which Edmund Grimley Evans says it's free. > Edmund Grimley Evans YES That YES should be attributed to Thomas Bushnell rather than me. I don't think it's free, thoug

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 06:33:27PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 11:15:52AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > I see nothing strong enough to be called "consensus" either way. > > > > I see no case made by anyone for the UnicodeData.txt license as (in the > > form it was

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-09 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 11:15:52AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > I see nothing strong enough to be called "consensus" either way. > > I see no case made by anyone for the UnicodeData.txt license as (in the > form it was in at the time -- for all I know it's been changed since > then) DFSG-free.

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 12:11:16PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > I see no consensus one way or the other, but I did not see a single > > person defend the license as DFSG-free as written. > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200211/msg00305.html ...in which Sam Hartman sa

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 11:15:52AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 05:10:38PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 10:34:36PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > This license is not actually DFSG-fre

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 05:10:38PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 10:34:36PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > This license is not actually DFSG-free; it grants the right to make > > > copies, to use copies for creating prod

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-09 Thread Florian Weimer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > The next release of GNU miscfiles will have a version that is > really free. We're going to first transform the existing file into > some other useful format, which will then be licensed entirely under > GPL. Nice. If you use a format which mar

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-08 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is /usr/share/perl/5.8.0/unicore/UnicodeData.txt a copy of the file, or > an "extracted" form of it? As I read the license, the file is only > freely redistributable *after* you've modified it -- unless the file is > not actually copyrightable and the

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 02:54:47AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 05:10:38PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 10:34:36PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > This license is not actually DFSG-free; i

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 05:10:38PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 10:34:36PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > This license is not actually DFSG-free; it grants the right to make > > > copies, to use copies for creating prod

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 05:10:38PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > Is /usr/share/perl/5.8.0/unicore/UnicodeData.txt a copy of the file, or > an "extracted" form of it? As I read the license, the file is only > freely redistributable *after* you've modified it -- unless the file is > not actually co

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 10:34:36PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > This license is not actually DFSG-free; it grants the right to make > > copies, to use copies for creating products, and to distribute copies > > *internally*, but it does not grant the

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-07 Thread Florian Weimer
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This license is not actually DFSG-free; it grants the right to make > copies, to use copies for creating products, and to distribute copies > *internally*, but it does not grant the right to distribute copies > publically or to modify the file. The per

Re: Unicode Character Database

2003-07-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 07:57:45PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > First of all, let's suppose that the license is DFSG free. It's: > | UCD Terms of Use > | > | Disclaimer > | > | The Unicode Character Database is provided as is by Unicode, > | Inc. No cl

Unicode Character Database

2003-07-07 Thread Florian Weimer
First of all, let's suppose that the license is DFSG free. It's: | UCD Terms of Use | | Disclaimer | | The Unicode Character Database is provided as is by Unicode, | Inc. No claims are made as to fitness for any particular | purpose. No warranties of any kind are ex