Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (B, C)

2002-05-02 Thread K Sampada
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Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-27 Thread Peter S Galbraith
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 12:55:06PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > which sounds like the Artistic license's > > > > "Reasonable copying fee" is whatever you can justify on the basis of > > media cost, duplication charges, time of people involved, and so on" > > The parenthetical comment

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-26 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 12:55:06PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > which sounds like the Artistic license's > > "Reasonable copying fee" is whatever you can justify on the basis of > media cost, duplication charges, time of people involved, and so on" The parenthetical comment that follows

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Right. Let me rephrase it bit. Their license says: > > Permission is granted to reproduce the document in any way providing > that it is distributed for free, except for any reasonable charges for > printing, distribution, staff time, etc. > >

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-26 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Looks like words lifted from the Artistic license ( "Reasonable copying > > fee" is whatever you can justify on the basis of media cost, duplication > > charges, time of people involved, and so o

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Looks like words lifted from the Artistic license ( "Reasonable copying > fee" is whatever you can justify on the basis of media cost, duplication > charges, time of people involved, and so on.) In the case of the Artistic License, it was explicitly

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-26 Thread Peter S Galbraith
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "TB" == Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> A. > >> [...] > >> You are NOT ALLOWED to take money for the distribution or > >> use of this file or modified versions or fragments thereof, > >> except for a nominal charge f

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-25 Thread C.M. Connelly
"TB" == Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Me> Doesn't the GPL say pretty much the same thing in Section Me> 3.b.? TB> You don't have to abide by that section if you don't want TB> to; that section applies only if you distribute binaries TB> without source. Read the GPL

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-25 Thread Mark Rafn
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, C.M. Connelly wrote: > So the restriction of a ``nominal'' or ``reasonable'' charge is > enough to cause a problem here, even if there was no real charge > being made? (I'm assuming that the problem here is with the first > clause of the DFSG, ... > Doesn't the GPL say pretty

Re: Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [From discussion of D] > TB> The limitation on copying fees mean that these files > TB> cannot be in Debian, but they can be in the non-free > TB> archive. > > So the restriction of a ``nominal'' or ``reasonable'' charge is > enough to

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (G)

2002-03-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > By ``bundling rule'', you're referring to ``You are allowed to > distribute this file under the condition that it is distributed > together with all the files listed herein.''? > > Which clause of the DFSG is that a problem for? The first (free > red

Financial Restrictions (Was Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A), (D) & (H))

2002-03-25 Thread C.M. Connelly
"TB" == Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> A. >> [...] >> You are NOT ALLOWED to take money for the distribution or >> use of this file or modified versions or fragments thereof, >> except for a nominal charge for copying etc. >> D. >> [...] >> Permission

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (G)

2002-03-25 Thread C.M. Connelly
"TB" == Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> G. >> >> This software was written as a personal project and comes >> with NO WARRANTY of any kind, not even MERCHANTABILITY or >> FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. The author assumes no >> responsibility for any use.

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses

2002-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 11:55:30AM -0800, Walter Landry wrote: > I can't speak for Branden, but the first time I read the LPPL, I was > nervous as well. The restrictions on modifications are a huge hassle. > It doesn't clearly allow distribution of binaries built from modified > source. Also, the

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses

2002-03-14 Thread Walter Landry
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >2. Restrictions on modification > > Presumably this one is the real sticking point. It seems to > me that the logic behind this restriction makes sense for > the core LaTeX packages -- the developers don't want to > receive c

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses

2002-03-13 Thread C.M. Connelly
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "BR" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Sorry if the following is redundant, but I want to make sure we're all on the same page.] To clarify, most of the ``documentation'' files I'm concerned with here are generated from the same source as th

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (B, C)

2002-03-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > > (Just musing - the following does not change our conclusions about > whether Debian can distribute the files in question). > > > The Berne Convention generally only requires "Copyright" and a date

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (B, C)

2002-03-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) (Just musing - the following does not change our conclusions about whether Debian can distribute the files in question). > The Berne Convention generally only requires "Copyright" and a date to > claim a copyright, and sometimes, not even that. I

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (B, C)

2002-03-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > > > Is there some reason you trimmed that? Just so you could make the > > same point yourself? > > No point being so agressive. I read the message as you meant that what > I quoted had some relvance f

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (B, C)

2002-03-11 Thread Peter Makholm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > Is there some reason you trimmed that? Just so you could make the > same point yourself? No point being so agressive. I read the message as you meant that what I quoted had some relvance for the conclusion --- Which we aparently both knows is wr

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (B, C)

2002-03-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > > > copyright protection under the Pan-American copyright treaty. (And > > it's still relevant, because there are some countries which have > > signed the Pan-American treaty, and not the Berne Convent

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (B, C)

2002-03-11 Thread Peter Makholm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > copyright protection under the Pan-American copyright treaty. (And > it's still relevant, because there are some countries which have > signed the Pan-American treaty, and not the Berne Convention.) No it's not really relevant because with the

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > With the above exception, I concur with Thomas's very thorough analysis. He's being so nice! Branden should run for DPL every month. Thomas

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Copyright (C) [1998] by Taylor French. All rights reserved. > > > > dtx file also says > > > >The usual GNU-style conditions apply: If you change it, you > >take the blame; if you pass it on, pass on all present > >conditions;" >

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses

2002-03-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 11:19:35PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > 2) The GNU Free Documentation License, with an explicit statement > asserting that there are Invariants Sections, and no Cover Texts; > http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html#TOC1 Gar. 2) The GNU Free Documentation License, with an

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses

2002-03-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 05:13:51PM -0800, C.M. Connelly wrote: > I will be attempting to contact the authors of the files that > aren't DFSG-free to encourage them to clarify the licensing of > their works (probably we'll get LPPL for most, although I'm happy > to mention alternatives). Please d

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses

2002-03-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 08:00:01PM -0600, Chris Lawrence wrote: > On Mar 10, C.M. Connelly wrote: > > There are about 30 documents (and the stuff they document) whose > > licensing status is less clear, and those are the ones that I have > > some questions on. I have included some example > > cop

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (I)

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I. > > (c) Copyright 1997 Jean-Paul DuBois tous droits reserves. > > Si vous desirez, distribuer ce document par FTP ou sur le WEB, ou > placer un pointeur vers ce dernier, merci de m'en informer par > e-mail et de me communiquer l'adresse correspon

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (H)

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > H. > > This package is copyright \copyright~1989--1994 Charlie Varrick. > All rights are reserved. The moral right of the author has been > asserted. You are {\em not allowed\/} to take money for the > distribution or use of this file except for a n

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (G)

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > G. > > This software was written as a personal project and comes with NO > WARRANTY of any kind, not even MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A > PARTICULAR PURPOSE. The author assumes no responsibility for any > use. > > Copyright (C) 1997 Jane Roe >

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (F)

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > F. > > Copyright (C) [1998] by Taylor French. All rights reserved. > > dtx file also says > >The usual GNU-style conditions apply: If you change it, you >take the blame; if you pass it on, pass on all present >conditions;" We can di

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (E)

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > E. > > no statement of any kind Depends on context. Either this is copyrighted, and we can't distribute it at all (just like cases B and C), or it's under the general copyright of the package. Thomas

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (D)

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > D. > > Robert High 8.92 basic additions > Fred Howard 2.93 added cross-referencing and niceties > Kristen Kow5.93 fixed for LaTeXe2 and onwards. > Kristen Kow8.93 fixed for HTML converter, and added AMS tables >

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (B, C)

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > B. > Copyright (C) 1995 John Doe > C. > Copyright (C) 1988, all rights reserved. "All rights reserved" is the magic phrase that is necessary to get copyright protection under the Pan-American copyright treaty. (And it's still relevant, because there

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses

2002-03-10 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Mar 10, C.M. Connelly wrote: > There are about 30 documents (and the stuff they document) whose > licensing status is less clear, and those are the ones that I have > some questions on. I have included some example > copyright/distribution statements based on those in this > ``unknown'' categor

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses (A)

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A. > > Copying of part or all of this file is allowed under the following > conditions only: > >(1) You may freely distribute unchanged copies of the >file. Please include the documentation when you do so. > >(2) You may modify a ren

Re: teTeX Documentation Licenses

2002-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In the meantime, should we drop the possibly problematic files > from our packages, or can we continue distributing them on the > basis that we have been distributing them without problems thus > far, and that CTAN continues to include them in their ``