Re: python-sepaxml questions

2023-06-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2023-06-01 at 15:54 +0200, Matthias Geiger wrote: > I was working on packaging sepaxml  [1] when I ran into an issue > where I'd appreciate some legal guidance. The source contains .xsd > SEPA files [2] distributed by the iso committee [3] under what I > believe to be DFSG-compliant licens

Re: python-sepaxml questions

2023-06-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2023-06-02 at 10:42 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >    Although the material on this site is intended to be used and reproduced > freely >    by all interested users under the ISO 20022 Intellectual Property Right > Policy, Here is a copy of that policy: https://www.iso20022.org/intellectual

Re: python-sepaxml questions

2023-06-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2023-06-01 at 15:54 +0200, Matthias Geiger wrote: > I was working on packaging sepaxml  [1] when I ran into an issue > where I'd appreciate some legal guidance. The source contains .xsd > SEPA files [2] distributed by the iso committee [3] under what I > believe to be DFSG-compliant licens

python-sepaxml questions

2023-06-01 Thread matthias . geiger1024
DFSG ? Regards, --- Matthias Geiger (werdahias) [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1033096[2]  https://github.com/raphaelm/python-sepaxml/blob/master/sepaxml/schemas <https://github.com/raphaelm/python-sepaxml/blob/master/sepaxml/schemas/pain.001.001.03.xsd> [3] https://www.i

Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1

2017-09-20 Thread Herbert Fortes
Em 20-09-2017 10:56, Ian Jackson escreveu: > Herbert Fortes writes ("Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1"): >> [Ian Jackson:] >>> So I think that the situation is perfectly clear. Algorithms are not >>> covered by copyright (anywhere). The upstream a

Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1

2017-09-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Herbert Fortes writes ("Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1"): > [Ian Jackson:] > > So I think that the situation is perfectly clear. Algorithms are not > > covered by copyright (anywhere). The upstream author is just being > > over-cautious in leaving in th

Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1

2017-09-20 Thread Herbert Fortes
My typo: -over-cautions +over-cautious

Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1

2017-09-20 Thread Herbert Fortes
> > So I think that the situation is perfectly clear. Algorithms are not > covered by copyright (anywhere). The upstream author is just being > over-cautious in leaving in that notice. > Why being "over-cautions" if the append is useless. That's the term I should use at first. It is the ups

Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1

2017-09-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Ghislain Vaillant writes ("Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1"): > FYI, here is the interpretation of the license by the upstream author. I > asked about it back when I did the initial release, and no issue was > raised by the FTP team. > > https://github.c

Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1

2017-09-17 Thread Herbert Fortes
Em 17-09-2017 11:24, Ghislain Vaillant escreveu: > FYI, here is the interpretation of the license by the upstream author. I > asked about it back when I did the initial release, and no issue was raised > by the FTP team. > > https://github.com/rjw57/dtcwt/issues/109 > > It would be nice to have

Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1

2017-09-17 Thread Ghislain Vaillant
have to justify my work on this package every time a different sponsor comes in. Cheers, Ghis On 16/09/17 12:32, Ghislain Vaillant wrote: The copyright you quoted applies to the code from the original implementation in MATLAB. This code is a complete rewrite in Python, so the original copy

Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1

2017-09-16 Thread Ghislain Vaillant
The copyright you quoted applies to the code from the original implementation in MATLAB. This code is a complete rewrite in Python, so the original copyright should not apply. Not sure why this file is provided since the two code bases are different. Anyway I am open to hear from a second

Re: Bug#875876: RFS: python-dtcwt/0.12.0-1

2017-09-16 Thread Herbert Fortes
Hi Ghislain Vaillant, > Package: sponsorship-requests > Severity: normal > > Dear mentors, > > I am looking for a sponsor for my package "python-dtcwt" > > * Package name    : python-dtcwt >   Version : 0.12.0-1 >   Upstream Author : R

Re: python-jsmin: evil or not?

2015-05-01 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015, Richard Fontana wrote: > It's clear that Dave did see the Baruch Even code, since he modified it. > He also says "the credits in the source file are there to honor the > inspiration for the source, not the actual implementation." > None of this makes me inclined to see

Re: python-jsmin: evil or not?

2015-04-30 Thread Ben Finney
s to all his popular works. -- \ “Why doesn't Python warn that it's not 100% perfect? Are people | `\ just supposed to “know” this, magically?” —Mitya Sirenef, | _o__) comp.lang.python, 2012-12-27 | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to d

Re: python-jsmin: evil or not?

2015-04-30 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 06:56:13PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote: > Hello, > > I've bumped into an interesting thing: python-jsmin claims to be a > Python rewrite of jsmin, but it's not clear if it's infected by Douglas > Crockford's "evilness" or

Re: python-jsmin: evil or not?

2015-04-30 Thread Ben Finney
Andrew Shadura writes: > python-jsmin claims to be a Python rewrite of jsmin, but it's not > clear if it's infected by Douglas Crockford's "evilness" or not? It's > in Debian currently, but look here: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?i

Re: Python logo and DFSG - an issue?

2015-03-18 Thread Ben Finney
Daniel Stender writes: > I've asked about its copyright on Mentors before and the consensus was > that by the trademark policy [2] it's considered to be freely > distributable, but *might* violate the DFSG. > > I'm seeking now for an "official" statement before this is going to be > put in the ne

Python logo and DFSG - an issue?

2015-03-18 Thread Daniel Stender
Hello, I'm working on a package which sources includes a version of the official Python logo [1], which is used for examples and the tests. I've asked about its copyright on Mentors before and the consensus was that by the trademark policy [2] it's considered to be freely dis

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-18 Thread Riley Baird
t;> should be equally valid as the formal exception, right? > > OK, not quite: Upstream explicitly states, that OpenSSL license > is incompatible with GPL-3, but is seen by them as system library > if it does provide functions via the Python standard library. > > https://github.c

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-18 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Upstream explicitly states, that OpenSSL license is incompatible with GPL-3, but is seen by them as system library if it does provide functions via the Python standard library. https://github.com/xray7224/PyPump/issues/101#issuecomment-70409244 https://github.com/xray7224/PyPump/issues/101#issuecomm

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-18 Thread Vincent Bernat
rating system, but > that all users of the software can reasonably be expected to have. For > example, it now also includes the standard libraries of common > programming languages such as Python and Ruby. Of course, in the actual license, there is no word about "Python". -- questio

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-18 Thread W. Martin Borgert
On 2015-01-18 12:16, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > Upstream has been contacted. So far they seem to think, that > this is a Debian internal issue and don't want to add anything > to their license (GPL-3+). I'll try again. Isn't the fact that upstream does not care sufficient evidence that in this cas

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-18 Thread W. Martin Borgert
On 2015-01-18 15:09, Riley Baird wrote: > Then as is, the software can't go into Debian. Maybe you could try > contacting upstream to ask them for an OpenSSL exception? Upstream has been contacted. So far they seem to think, that this is a Debian internal issue and don't want to add anything to th

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-18 Thread Riley Baird
> My conclusion is that if you have a GPL program importing the "ssl" > module, you can ignore the licensing issue on either the ground > that nobody really cares or the fact that OpenSSL should be > considered as a system library (and this is easier with GPLv3 than > it was with GPLv2). You mig

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-18 Thread Simon McVittie
On 18/01/15 08:18, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 17 janvier 2015 19:14 +0100, "W. Martin Borgert" : >> Python program or library "X" is licensed under GPL3+ without >> OpenSSL exception. "X" does use the python-requests library, >> which on loa

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-18 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 17 janvier 2015 19:14 +0100, "W. Martin Borgert"  : > sorry, if this question has been discussed before. > Python program or library "X" is licensed under GPL3+ without > OpenSSL exception. "X" does use the python-requests library, > which on load dyn

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-17 Thread Riley Baird
On 18/01/15 09:34, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > On 2015-01-18 07:39, Riley Baird wrote: >> If you could make a version of python-requests with the OpenSSL parts >> removed, then yes. Otherwise, no. > > If one imports requests from Debian, OpenSSL is used. > No idea how to p

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-17 Thread W. Martin Borgert
On 2015-01-18 07:39, Riley Baird wrote: > If you could make a version of python-requests with the OpenSSL parts > removed, then yes. Otherwise, no. If one imports requests from Debian, OpenSSL is used. No idea how to prevent this. > Also, if the writer of the module specifically st

Re: Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-17 Thread Riley Baird
On 18/01/15 05:14, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > Hi, > > sorry, if this question has been discussed before. > So far, I could not find a conclusive answer. > Please Cc me. > > Python program or library "X" is licensed under GPL3+ without > OpenSSL exception. "

Python GPL-3+ program w/o OpenSSL exception using python-requests

2015-01-17 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Hi, sorry, if this question has been discussed before. So far, I could not find a conclusive answer. Please Cc me. Python program or library "X" is licensed under GPL3+ without OpenSSL exception. "X" does use the python-requests library, which on load dynamically links th

Re: Python library under permissive GPL-compatible license optionally using GPL library

2014-12-12 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi Yaroslav, Le Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:07:41PM -0500, Yaroslav Halchenko a écrit : > > If we have a library X in Python, released under some GPL-compatible > license (e.g. BSD-3 or Expat) and then using (optionally) some GPL code > (at run time) provided by another library Y --

Re: Python library under permissive GPL-compatible license optionally using GPL library

2014-12-12 Thread Jonathan Paugh
> >> If we have a library X in Python, released under some GPL-compatible >> license (e.g. BSD-3 or Expat) and then using (optionally) some GPL code >> (at run time) provided by another library Y -- what are the implications? >> Am I wrong on any of the following sta

Re: Python library under permissive GPL-compatible license optionally using GPL library

2014-12-12 Thread Ángel González
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: Dear fellas who know much more about licensing than me. I might have even asked before (since we are in a similar situation with PyMVPA/shogun) but forgot what was the summary: If we have a library X in Python, released under some GPL-compatible license (e.g. BSD-3 or

Re: Python library under permissive GPL-compatible license optionally using GPL library

2014-12-12 Thread Ben Finney
Yaroslav Halchenko writes: > If we have a library X in Python, released under some GPL-compatible > license (e.g. BSD-3 or Expat) and then using (optionally) some GPL > code (at run time) provided by another library Y -- what are the > implications? The implications depend on what “

Python library under permissive GPL-compatible license optionally using GPL library

2014-12-12 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Dear fellas who know much more about licensing than me. I might have even asked before (since we are in a similar situation with PyMVPA/shogun) but forgot what was the summary: If we have a library X in Python, released under some GPL-compatible license (e.g. BSD-3 or Expat) and then using

Re: Does a python library that requires a python-openssl to function need an OpenSSL exception?

2014-05-04 Thread Riley Baird
On 05/05/14 11:18, Simon Fondrie-Teitler wrote: > Hi, > > I'm working on packaging pypump, which is licensed under the GPL-3. The > package reviewer noticed it requires python-openssl to function. Does > this mean that pypump needs an OpenSSL exception in order to be

Does a python library that requires a python-openssl to function need an OpenSSL exception?

2014-05-04 Thread Simon Fondrie-Teitler
Hi, I'm working on packaging pypump, which is licensed under the GPL-3. The package reviewer noticed it requires python-openssl to function. Does this mean that pypump needs an OpenSSL exception in order to be included in Debian? Thanks, Simon pgpx0bKuAJyqC.pgp Description: PGP signature

Python Software Foundation: Python Trademark at Risk

2013-02-14 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
Dear All, Full article: http://pyfound.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html There is a company in the UK that is trying to trademark the use of the term "Python" for all software, services, servers... pretty much anything having to do with a computer. Sp

Re: 'python-iview' legal/policy advice

2012-02-29 Thread Ben Finney
"Scott Leggett" writes: > I am considering packaging an application known as 'python-iview'[1] > (existing RFP[2]) and I wanted to get some legal/policy advice before > filing an ITP. Thank you for taking care with the thorny freedom issues around such a pro

'python-iview' legal/policy advice

2012-02-29 Thread Scott Leggett
Hi, I am considering packaging an application known as 'python-iview'[1] (existing RFP[2]) and I wanted to get some legal/policy advice before filing an ITP. First, a description of what 'ABC[3] iview' is, from their FAQ[4]: > ABC iview is a free internet broadcastin

Re: GPL applications using Python (OpenSSL issue?)

2011-03-15 Thread Ulrik Sverdrup
2011/3/7 Ulrik Sverdrup : > Can GPLv3+ applications written in Python exist in Debian main? The > applications in question do not use an openssl exception. > > Python uses OpenSSL so the moment the application starts, it is linking > against it too: > > $ objdump -p /usr

Re: GPL applications using Python (OpenSSL issue?)

2011-03-07 Thread roucaries bastien
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Ulrik Sverdrup wrote: > Can GPLv3+ applications written in Python exist in Debian main? The > applications in question do not use an openssl exception. > > Python uses OpenSSL so the moment the application starts, it is linking > against it too: &

GPL applications using Python (OpenSSL issue?)

2011-03-07 Thread Ulrik Sverdrup
Can GPLv3+ applications written in Python exist in Debian main? The applications in question do not use an openssl exception. Python uses OpenSSL so the moment the application starts, it is linking against it too: $ objdump -p /usr/bin/python2.6 | grep NEEDED NEEDED libpthread.so

Re: Fwd: Final updates for this Python Policy revision

2009-12-17 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 12/18/09, Ben Finney wrote: > Andrew Donnellan writes: > >> On 12/18/09, Ben Finney wrote: >> > I'm doubtful that it's correct to say “If it's copyright, it has an >> > owner”. Copyright is *not* a property right; it's a different >> > monopoly right. Monopolies are held; that doesn't make th

Re: Fwd: Final updates for this Python Policy revision

2009-12-17 Thread Ben Finney
Andrew Donnellan writes: > On 12/18/09, Ben Finney wrote: > > I'm doubtful that it's correct to say “If it's copyright, it has an > > owner”. Copyright is *not* a property right; it's a different > > monopoly right. Monopolies are held; that doesn't make the holder of > > a monopoly the “owner”

Re: Fwd: Final updates for this Python Policy revision

2009-12-17 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 12/18/09, Ben Finney wrote: > I'm doubtful that it's correct to say “If it's copyright, it has an > owner”. Copyright is *not* a property right; it's a different monopoly > right. Monopolies are held; that doesn't make the holder of a monopoly > the “owner” in a property sense. > > IANAL, but i

Re: Fwd: Final updates for this Python Policy revision

2009-12-17 Thread Ben Finney
Francesco Poli writes: > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:00:48 + Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > > > If it's copyright, it's proprietary. > > > > "proprietary" == "property". If it's copyright, it has an owner, > > therefore it's property, therefore it's proprietary. > > Your reasoning does not seem in

Re: Fwd: Final updates for this Python Policy revision

2009-12-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:00:48 + Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > In message <20091216233823.af491478@firenze.linux.it>, Francesco > Poli writes > >> The second question may seem strange, but why copyleft license is > >> used? > > > >Hopefully in order to prevent the distribution of proprietar

Re: Final updates for this Python Policy revision

2009-12-16 Thread Andrew Dalke
On Dec 17, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > CLOSED derivative works. > > If it's copyright, it's proprietary. > > "proprietary" == "property". If it's copyright, it has an owner, therefore > it's property, therefore it's proprietary. Although the GNU project disagrees again with y

Re: Fwd: Final updates for this Python Policy revision

2009-12-16 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <20091216233823.af491478@firenze.linux.it>, Francesco Poli writes The second question may seem strange, but why copyleft license is used? Hopefully in order to prevent the distribution of proprietary derivative works... CLOSED derivative works. If it's copyright, it's proprie

Re: Fwd: Final updates for this Python Policy revision

2009-12-16 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:20:45 +0200 anatoly techtonik wrote: > Hello, Hello... > > Following recent Python policy updates I wonder if GPL is really the > license of choice for software documentation in Debian? IMHO, yes it is and it should be, really! The GPL is the best choice

Fwd: Final updates for this Python Policy revision

2009-12-15 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hello, Following recent Python policy updates I wonder if GPL is really the license of choice for software documentation in Debian? There are many other licenses available that are more clear to general public, such as Creative Commons. The second question may seem strange, but why copyleft

Re: "re" module and old Python 1.6 (GPL incompatible) license?

2009-07-14 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Florian Weimer [090712 20:43]: > * Anderson Lizardo: > > > I noticed that some files of the "re" module still have the (GPL > > incompatible) 1.6 license notice. Is that on purpose or > > unintentionally forgotten? > > It is generally assumed that the PSF license grant in the LICENSE file > ov

Re: "re" module and old Python 1.6 (GPL incompatible) license?

2009-07-12 Thread Florian Weimer
* Anderson Lizardo: > I noticed that some files of the "re" module still have the (GPL > incompatible) 1.6 license notice. Is that on purpose or > unintentionally forgotten? It is generally assumed that the PSF license grant in the LICENSE file overrides all the other licenses that apply to indiv

"re" module and old Python 1.6 (GPL incompatible) license?

2009-07-07 Thread Anderson Lizardo
Hi, I already sent this to the python-dev mailing list last week[1], but there was not much interest on the issue. Here is the original message: ### I noticed that some files of the "re" module still have the (GPL incompatible) 1.6 license notice. Is that on purpose or unintentionally

Re: deluge, python-libtorrent and OpenSSL

2009-04-07 Thread Yavor Doganov
В Sun, 05 Apr 2009 18:17:18 +0200, Cristian Greco написа: > The python-libtorrent package contains bindings for > libtorrent-rasterbar, which in turn gets linked against OpenSSL. So, is > it right to ask upstream to add the exception? FWIW, some time ago I asked licens...@fsf.org about

deluge, python-libtorrent and OpenSSL

2009-04-05 Thread Cristian Greco
Hi, with regards to the recent licensing problem in qBittorrent (which is going to be fixed upstream), I'd like to hear some comments about deluge and all clients using libtorrent-rasterbar's python bindings, just for the sake of completeness. The python-libtorrent package contains bi

Re: python-imaging

2009-02-25 Thread Greg Harris
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:21:48 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: > Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault writes: > > > Ben Finney wrote: > > > Greg Harris writes: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > But that wording is *not* what has been used

Re: python-imaging

2009-02-25 Thread Ben Finney
Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault writes: > Ben Finney wrote: > > Greg Harris writes: > > [snip] > > > > But that wording is *not* what has been used for ‘python-imaging’. > > Instead, the wording is: > > > > Permission to [foo] for any purpose and w

Re: python-imaging

2009-02-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 04:31:10PM -0500, Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault wrote: > Ben Finney wrote: >> Greg Harris writes: >> But that wording is *not* what has been used for ‘python-imaging’. >> Instead, the wording is: >> Permission to [foo] for any purpos

Re: python-imaging

2009-02-25 Thread Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault
Ben Finney wrote: Greg Harris writes: [snip] But that wording is *not* what has been used for ‘python-imaging’. Instead, the wording is: Permission to [foo] for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted, I find that wording rather ambiguous, in my mind it could mean any of

Re: python-imaging

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Finney
ut fee, … But that wording is *not* what has been used for ‘python-imaging’. Instead, the wording is: Permission to [foo] for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted, which is clearly applying *both* of “for any purpose and without fee” to “[foo]”, that is, the actions per

Re: python-imaging

2009-02-24 Thread Greg Harris
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:43:27 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: > Carl Fürstenberg writes: > > > The Python Imaging Library is > > > > Copyright (c) 1997-2001 by Secret Labs AB > > Copyright (c) 1995-2001 by Fredrik Lundh > > > > By obtaining, usin

Re: python-imaging

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Finney
Carl Fürstenberg writes: > The Python Imaging Library is > > Copyright (c) 1997-2001 by Secret Labs AB > Copyright (c) 1995-2001 by Fredrik Lundh > > By obtaining, using, and/or copying this software and/or its > associated documentation, you agree that you have read, u

python-imaging

2009-02-24 Thread Carl Fürstenberg
I would like some input on the license for the package python-imaging, which I think isn't fully in line with DFSG ; The full copyright file is as follow: - This package was debianized by Simon Richter on Mon, 21 May 2001 22:

Re: Bug#498477: GPL-compatiblity of python licenses

2008-09-28 Thread Vincent Bernat
g the problem by downgrading severity. What I am not sure of is that mixing GPL licensed code and OpenSSL derived code prevent Python to be distributed in this form or just programs using both pieces of code to be distributed. -- I AM NOT A LICENSED HAIRSTYLIST I AM NOT A LICENSED

Re: Bug#498477: GPL-compatiblity of python licenses

2008-09-28 Thread Matthias Klose
embre 2008, vers 00:53, > Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> disait=A0: > > > Hi Vincent, > > thanks for looking into licensing issues in Debian. > > > How exactly is the python license GPL-incompatible? > > > If you scroll down a screen or two on th

Re: use of Python bindings to GPL library from within non-GPL Python toolkit

2008-09-27 Thread Ben Finney
"Anthony W. Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If it's external non-GPL, you can't change its licence. So *YOU* *CAN* > mix it with both GPL and your own software. > > But you CAN'T then DISTRIBUTE the result. The GPL says you must > distribute the non-GPL code as if it were GPL Not quite:

Re: use of Python bindings to GPL library from within non-GPL Python toolkit

2008-09-27 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
all code in our project is non-GPLed, including some code which makes use of external GPL library through python bindings. So, technically speaking we are not mixing the code, and we do not redistribute GPL code within our project (that dependency on GPLed library is optional). But if I get it

Re: use of Python bindings to GPL library from within non-GPL Python toolkit

2008-09-24 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
library through python bindings. So, technically speaking we are not mixing the code, and we do not redistribute GPL code within our project (that dependency on GPLed library is optional). But if I get it right -- it doesn't really matter, since GPL doesn't allow external non-GPLed softw

Re: use of Python bindings to GPL library from within non-GPL Python toolkit

2008-09-20 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Yaroslav Halchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Hi Guys, I am sorry that I am following up on this dead thread I started long ago [1], and which Francesco was kind to follow up to. Now I've got another project to package and got the same issue, and I am not clear i

Re: GPL-compatiblity of python licenses

2008-09-19 Thread Vincent Bernat
reopen 498857 reopen 498477 thanks OoO En cette nuit nuageuse du vendredi 19 septembre 2008, vers 00:53, Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> disait : > Hi Vincent, > thanks for looking into licensing issues in Debian. > How exactly is the python license GPL-incompatible?

Re: use of Python bindings to GPL library from within non-GPL Python toolkit

2008-09-17 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
A toolbox [1], which we currently > distribute under MIT License. It is written in Python and is actually a > framework either to create scripts for the analysis or just perform > analysis interactively within python (ipython) shell environment. > Recently we decided to make use of sh

Re: use of Python bindings to GPL library from within non-GPL Python toolkit

2008-04-02 Thread Francesco Poli
amed "the Expat license", in order to avoid ambiguities with other licenses that are called "MIT License" as well... > It is written in Python and is actually a > framework either to create scripts for the analysis or just perform > analysis interactively within python (ipy

use of Python bindings to GPL library from within non-GPL Python toolkit

2008-04-02 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Dear Legal People, I am one of the developers of PyMVPA toolbox [1], which we currently distribute under MIT License. It is written in Python and is actually a framework either to create scripts for the analysis or just perform analysis interactively within python (ipython) shell environment

Re: CNRI Python License question

2007-06-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 25 juin 2007 à 20:17 +0200, Carlos Galisteo a écrit : > Upstream source is released under the CNRI Python License [2] but AFAIK, > the DFSG compliant 'Python License' is the PSF [3] one. > > As you can read in the PSF license full text, there's a controve

Re: Is the python-sybase licence DFSG free?

2007-03-06 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Mar 6, 2007 at 14:19:19 +, Floris Bruynooghe wrote: > Hello > > I am looking at the python-sybase software > (http://python-sybase.sourceforge.net) and it isn't packaged yet in > Debian. So I had a look at the licence to see if it is possible to > packag

Is the python-sybase licence DFSG free?

2007-03-06 Thread Floris Bruynooghe
Hello I am looking at the python-sybase software (http://python-sybase.sourceforge.net) and it isn't packaged yet in Debian. So I had a look at the licence to see if it is possible to package. I think it is, I am however no expert at this so am asking some advice. The licence is fairly

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-29 Thread MJ Ray
of the trader by whom the action is brought or (in a quia timet action) will probably do so." -- British Telecommunications Plc & Ors v One In A Million Ltd & Ors [1998] EWCA Civ 1272 (23 July 1998) URL: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/1998/1272.html > > Ho

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-12 Thread Jeff Carr
On 01/09/07 12:19, MJ Ray wrote: >> That's not how things work in my experience. You are responsible for >> everything on the CD. It has nothing to do with how you label it or if >> you advertise it as included at all. > > Maybe you are responsible for it, but how can strings encoded in a > recor

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-09 Thread MJ Ray
es? If they can't, then how is the trademark infringed? That's how trademarks work, as far as I can tell. The US line on hidden labels seems to be currently under development: http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2007/01/keyword_ads_and.htm > Anyway, it looks like they python guys might ha

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-09 Thread Jeff Carr
the CD. It has nothing to do with how you label it or if you advertise it as included at all. > If there is no infringement, why does the distributor need permission? That python wording is really clear. Anyway, it looks like they python guys might have fixed/changed their position so this shou

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-09 Thread Jeff Carr
he outside of the CD. If that's what someone was arguing then that's crazy. This python license change is notable. Things like this are going to happen more and more I suspect. It might be nice to drop a nice email to the python guys asking them what people that sell/distribute deb

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2007-01-05 Thread Terry Hancock
Gervase Markham wrote: > The Python Software Foundation trademark policy[0] says the following: > > "# Use of the word "Python" when redistributing the Python programming > language as part of a freely distributed application -- Allowed. If the > standard ver

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-26 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes MJ Ray wrote: If I purchase Debian CDs and type "python", or I do "man python" and read all about the interpreter which I can invoke by typing "python" which interprets the

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-21 Thread Jeff Carr
he outside of the CD. Because developers in the free software world are hoping common sense is what is followed. Debian and Python (and mozilla) are allies here. Infighting only helps our enemies. Happy hacking, Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscr

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-21 Thread Gervase Markham
MJ Ray wrote: Passing off is a little different, so I don't want to confuse that with trademarks. That's not something I know much about; a reference on the difference would be appreciated if you have one. How is "Python" being used by the distributor to label th

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-18 Thread MJ Ray
Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could you really not work out what I meant? No. I had no idea how you think the trademark is being infringed in your example. > The CD I have been sold by the Debian distributor uses the Python > trademarks to label their shipped

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-18 Thread Gervase Markham
MJ Ray wrote: If I purchase Debian CDs and type "python", or I do "man python" and read all about the interpreter which I can invoke by typing "python" which interprets the Python programming language, or I install "python-doc" and read some more, isn&#

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-15 Thread MJ Ray
Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MJ Ray wrote: > > Well, it applies to all commercial distribution which uses the > > Python trademark. > > Right. And doesn't calling some software "Python" count as "using the > Python trademark&q

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-15 Thread Gervase Markham
MJ Ray wrote: Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] This is a complete, standalone, unqualified sentence, and therefore applies to all commercial distribution, including people selling Debian CDs. Well, it applies to all commercial distribution which uses the Python tra

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-15 Thread MJ Ray
Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] This is a complete, standalone, > unqualified sentence, and therefore applies to all commercial > distribution, including people selling Debian CDs. Well, it applies to all commercial distribution which uses the Python trademar

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-15 Thread Gervase Markham
MJ Ray wrote: > Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As I understand it, Debian uses the name Python to refer to its Python >> implementation and the name `python' for the executable. Does this mean >> that all commercial distributors of Debian need to

Re: Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-11 Thread MJ Ray
Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I understand it, Debian uses the name Python to refer to its Python > implementation and the name `python' for the executable. Does this mean > that all commercial distributors of Debian need to get permission from > the P

Python Software Foundation trademark policy

2006-12-11 Thread Gervase Markham
The Python Software Foundation trademark policy[0] says the following: "# Use of the word "Python" when redistributing the Python programming language as part of a freely distributed application -- Allowed. If the standard version of the Python programming language is modified,

Re: ITP: PySparse - a sparse linear algebra extension for Python

2006-11-23 Thread Adam C Powell IV
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 13:28 +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: > On 11/20/06, Adam C Powell IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Second, I may need some advice on the license: > > > > Copyright (c) 2001-2003, ETH Zurich and Roman Geus > > All rights reserved. > > > > Redistribution and use in source an

Re: ITP: PySparse - a sparse linear algebra extension for Python

2006-11-22 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 11/20/06, Adam C Powell IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Second, I may need some advice on the license: Copyright (c) 2001-2003, ETH Zurich and Roman Geus All rights reserved. Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the follo

Re: "License: Perl" considered harmful [Was: "Python" license]

2005-12-16 Thread MJ Ray
Joe Wreschnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The problem is, as I said, the terms of the Python license are very > specific to Python. Not in the way that, say, the LPPL is specific to > LaTeX, but that the terms of the license specifically identify the PSF, > and Python. It's like

Re: Re: Re: "License: Perl" considered harmful [Was: "Python" license]

2005-12-15 Thread Joe Wreschnig
any concrete criticisms, I would be interested in hearing them. My goal is to have a document to point upstreams to when I email them about their license. > Isn't "under the > same terms as Python" under all current and future PSF Python licences at > the time of writing

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