On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
> Hi, Stefane:
>
> On Thursday 10 February 2011 21:29:34 Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
>>> Stefane Fermigier writes:
>>>> Only by fixing version numbers of t
On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Torsten Werner wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Torsten Werner wrote:
>>> a.jar (0.1) depends on b.jar (0.1)
>>> c.jar (0.3) depends on b.jar (0.2)
>>> d.jar (0
On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Torsten Werner wrote:
> Hi Stefane,
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>> Only by fixing version numbers of third-party libraries can you be sure that
>> the same build that works today will still work ne
On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Stefane Fermigier writes:
>
>> Only by fixing version numbers of third-party libraries can you be sure
>> that the same build that works today will still work next week, if you
>> redo the build on the exact same ver
ns from time to time, but only when
there is a good reason to ("if it ain't broke, don't fix it").
BTW: I used to think like you 3-4 years ago when I discovered Maven, but had to
change my mind due to the reality.
S.
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On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Vincent Fourmond wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Giovanni Mascellani wrote:
>>> On 09/02/2011 12:25, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>>> [...]
>
>
On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Giovanni Mascellani wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 12:25, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>> 2. sometimes the policies need to be changed in the face of reality.
>> Otherwise, we end up like these poor monkeys:
>>
>> http://freekvermeulen.blogsp
On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Giovanni Mascellani wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 15:40, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>> I'm also trying to pass a message: you obviously care about packaging
>> Java applications, so aren't you frustrated that this is so hard (I
>> mean, imposs
On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:23 AM, tony mancill wrote:
> On 02/09/2011 05:26 AM, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>> So yes, I'm sure this kind of service can help, but I'm not sure it can
>> really bring us as far as we'd like to.
>
> I think the Maven repo will be
you seem to be aligned with JBoss AS 4.2.3, when we, OTOH,
have switched 6 months ago to JBoss 5.
In both cases, there is a misalignment problem for which solutions need to be
devised, tested, and it will certainly take more time to do so, at which time
we will probably have moved forward
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On Feb 9, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Vincent Fourmond wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>>> What is not true? The fact that packaging things in Debian is difficult
>>> or the fact that it's so because it requires some added va
.1.jar
./xerces/xmlParserAPIs/2.6.2/xmlParserAPIs-2.6.2.jar
./xml-apis/xml-apis/1.0.b2/xml-apis-1.0.b2.jar
./xml-apis/xml-apis/1.3.03/xml-apis-1.3.03.jar
./xml-apis/xmlParserAPIs/2.0.2/xmlParserAPIs-2.0.2.jar
./xom/xom/1.1/xom-1.1.jar
./xpp3/xpp3_min/1.1.4c/xpp3_min-1.1.4c.jar
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On Feb 9, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Giovanni Mascellani wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On 09/02/2011 10:06, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>>> I'd say that this one of the main added value of a distribution:
>>> many different pieces of software harmonized together, under a
>>> c
to do so.
> I'm proud to say that, thanks to my work, now these pieces of software
> are really free in Debian: I'm sure this is not the only case, but it
> shows why all the thorough work that a Debian package needs it's useful.
Were these projects from "reputable"
debian-ubuntu.html
> I hope this gives you an alternative
It is an alternative, but if we found it satisfactory, we wouldn't be pushing
so hard to get the packages in Debian and Ubuntu.
S.
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Stefane Fermigier, Founder and Chairman, Nuxeo
Open Source, Java EE based, Enterpris
arch jboss-portal
etc. So it seems either that nobody cares about getting these fine (and
popular) applications into Debian, or it's just too hard to do given the
current set of policies.
S.
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Stefane Fermigier, Founder and Chairman, Nuxeo
Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content
On Feb 7, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Thomas Koch wrote:
> Stefane Fermigier:
>> On Feb 6, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Vincent Fourmond wrote:
>>> JARs in a source package. We absolutely need every single package
>>> compiled from source, and that includes their dependencies. Th
http://repo1.maven.org/, so the responsibility for providing the source code
for these jars actually falls upon the owner of maven.org, which happens to be
jvan...@codehaus.org - not upon us.
(But same for the pre-maven days when people used to embed third-party jars in
a lib/ directory in their so
On Feb 6, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Niels Thykier wrote:
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> On 2011-02-06 20:24, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
>> We are fully aware that our packages are not built in a way similar to the
>> way a Linux package is usually
ing it differently.
# Conclusion
At this point, I'm asking for an opinion on how to work with the Debian/Java
community to be able to:
- bring more value to Debian users by providing them with free/open source
enterprise-class applications
- keep the high quality that is expected from Debia
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