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agree with your point and was intending to edit and
expand the description for the actual package. Appologies if you feel
I should have done this for the ITP.
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On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 04:52:03PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> I'd suggest to phrase this "PostgreSQL performance monitoring tool" or
> any other way to avoid a verb sentence...
Sure thing, sounds sensible. How about:
PostgreSQL performance monitoring tool akin to
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Only one of these packages is expanding the acronym RDF.
I really don't see the use case here.
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* Do those benefits outweigh all the negative issues.
* Could something more light weight be chosen instead?
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ng I could find to a set of packaging team guidelines is:
http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Guidelines
Nothing is mentioned in relation to this issue.
Thoughts? Feedback? Am I missing some existing documentation?
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different ways of using the Maintainer/Uploaders fields within the context of a
packaging team with a view to codifying some best practices.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 03:40:53PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Di, 26 Aug 2008, Noah S
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 03:32:25PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote:
> From some of the private conversations I have had I am aware that some people
> do not feel it is appropriate to list a team's email address in the Uploaders
> field under any circumstances and others probably feel the
was slow.
>From what I gather, a GNU/Linux build might be possible, with a bit of
>massaging
here and there... though I obviously haven't done much research into this yet.
I notice that as of yesterday evening, no one had filed an ITP.
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> little bit in the source of __tt_main_proc.c, which made a native call
> to Windows' systray.
Ah yes, I was sure I had seen something about it working...
I concur that we have bigger things to be worrying about right now, was just
interested in a quick canvas of opinions, thoughts
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:23:35PM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> As a mere user I very glad that Debian stands where it does on the
> spectrum of caring about users vs caring about freedom. It is one of
> the major reasons I am a user of Debian.
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> larger than that.
Why impose such a barrier to entry for contributers?
I think resizing images is a fantastic thing to provide.
I do think the page lengths, or result count per page, could be increased.
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> So it can be that your disagreement is not that relevant :)
Not at all, I was assuming that no matter what size the uploaded image is, it
would be scaled down to fit inside a bounding box and placed in the centre of a
white canvas. So the question remains, how large to make th
ising. Do you consider all perfume companies to
be sexist? Even the perfume companies for women? Or is it the word "chick" that
has upset people? If so, why? Is this any different from "dude"?
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> 2008/11/23 Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 01:57:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> Since when have sexist remarks come under being "humour"? If you
> &g
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 03:17:09PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> hen you are a retrograde, beetle browed moron.
Ah, the discussion has descended into name calling! Superb!
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> * Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-23 22:07]:
> > Please quote from the original email explaining to me how it is sexist.
>
> Well, I found the parody very offensive to men, in general.
Heh, heh.
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its ratification. I am guessing some of the other main
contributers would like to be involved too.
To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we can place a
notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list and make the wiki page
immutable so that there is no confusion.
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:05:56PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +0000, Noah Slater wrote:
> > To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we
> > can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list
> &
til the heat death of the Universe and in fact we
have already witnessed the same things come up time and time again. Moving this
to a more formal channel and spending a bit of time getting some consensus
before wrapping it up is absolutely the right move.
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On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:50:22PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:26:03PM +0000, Noah Slater wrote:
> > How should we go about collecting to the contributers? Should I post
> > a note to the wiki (alerting the subscribers) about this, and if so,
>
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 10:52:39AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +0000, Noah Slater wrote:
> > As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would
> > obviously
> > like to be involved in its ratification. I am guess
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:50:15AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Rendez-vous after Lenny release on -devel :)
Heh heh. Sure thing, Charles.
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Is there any need for such rude condescension?
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I am not going to comment on his behaviour, your comments may very well be
justified. But I do think it would do the project some good if we all learnt to
embrace each others commitment levels, attitudes and opinions -- without
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> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:27:55PM +0100, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> > Actually, I don't know since I'm not long enough involved to know what
> > happened "back then".
>
> It's called re
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:57:15PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:41:58 +
> Noah Slater wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:17:13PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:27:55PM +0100, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> > &g
asive characters who contribute a lot of code,
but who upset the community, waste time by drawing fire or starting flame wars,
or scare away new contributers do not deserve to be excused for such behaviour.
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have put words into his mouth, and I don't think that's right. Also a bit funny
that you intend to solve "censorship" (not that I agree) with more censorship.
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language that doesn't properly provide for gender neutral
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On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 05:59:30AM +, Sam Kuper wrote:
> 2008/12/22 Noah Slater :
> > Troll. Troll. Troll.
>
> I hope that's not referring to John's email.
Are you kidding?
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> I am not a dev or wom
re absurd as time
has progressed. We're so far away from sensibly discussing DEBIAN here it's
becoming unintentional self-parody. Please, can people just stop replying.
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> potential.
Don't fool your self, this isn't knowledge. It's anecdotal superstition.
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Wait, what?
> It is well-pictured in the Babylon 5 series
Tell me you didn't just cite a fictional universe...
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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 01:06:53PM +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> On Mon, January 19, 2009 13:00, Noah Slater wrote:
> > I have two separate, but related, questions not covered by policy:
> >
> > * If you are the only person mentioned in a changelog and you change your
>
gt; recorded at the time. That it changed later should not alter the
> existing factual record on earlier entries. No?
Well, I guess it depends what your personal æsthetic is.
I like per-file consistency over (arguably unimportant) historical correctness.
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What about providing a test target in debian/rules and hooking into this
automatically with pdebuild. You should be able to run tests from within the
chroot without having to modify your debian/control file.
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> One of the interests of those test suits is to be executed automatically
> by buildd (on arch that you cannot easily test).
Aha, thanks for the clarification.
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a bug. I'm surprised you sent that mail instead of filing a bug.
In defence of the OP, it hardly looks like a Debian-fixable problem.
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On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 05:18:39PM -0800, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
> I think that the description explains that the purpose is to find hidden
> directories on web servers, presumably either your own or other people's.
Why would you need to find directories on your own server?
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> Noah Slater writes:
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 05:18:39PM -0800, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
> >> I think that the description explains that the purpose is to find hidden
> >> directories on web servers, presumab
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 09:17:35PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > (As Noah Slater pointed out, it's hard to lose a directory on your
> > own machine...)
>
> you can loose access to your machine...
At which point you may as well call it someone else's mac
addition to
> webkit is licensed under BSD or LGPL because upstream does enforce that
> (except, obviously, embedded libraries, but we already have to check if
> any is added to avoid duplication and build against the system one
> whenever possible)
You might not care, but the package user
u upload is DFSG
free, which means checking every single file. As you have to do this anyway, it
makes sense to record that information in debian/copyright. If you maintain a
very large package, then you should *expect* this to take a long time.
If that's too much effort for your, get
opyright statement is a form of attribution, and is good manners.
I also see that the copyright file is primarily useful to end users who may want
a convenient way of browsing the copyright and licence information.
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If we cannot do this simple thing, maybe we shouldn't be distributing software.
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is large, does not seem to fit well with this goal. Hence my suggestion that if
a package you are maintaining seems like too much work, perhaps it would make
sense to collaboratively maintain it.
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You selectively chose one thing I had written, please don't do that.
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:14:36PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 20 mars 2009 à 14:02 +0000, Noah Slater a écrit :
> > If we were suggesting some totally arbitrary and time consuming task, then I
> > could understand your concerns. However, you should be checking each
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:35:22PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Noah Slater wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 02:41:31PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > > > It behoves us as distributors to check, no matter how hard it is.
> > > >
> >
of policy that
people don't wish to follow. All I am doing is suggesting that either we throw
out this argument, or fix the policy.
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codifying existing policy.
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is stopping you from using the existing format to
say something along the lines of:
Files: *
Copyright: Copyright 2008, Damien Katz
Copyright 2008, Jan Lehnardt
Copyright 2008, Christopher Lenz
Copyright 2008, Noah Slater
License: Apache-2.0
On Debian systems the full text of the Ap
th your current work, there should be no reason why you can't express what you
are already doing with the new copyright proposal.
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artened by what
seemed to be a conflation of separate issues. I see the copyright proposal as a
format, not policy, document. If people want to formalise the granularity of our
copyright information, then so be it, but let's do that as a separate effort.
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because I had not checked.
When I found this, I sent the issue upstream:
http://tinyurl.com/ctargs
And I was fortunate that they did a massive overhaul and a re-release.
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why not be explicit about what is
required of a developer for this?
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andate a machine readable format, in a similar vein as
debian/control, for whatever information you might have already been using.
This has clear advantages for being able to post-process, check, search, and
navigate copyright information using whatever tools the community decides would
be profitabl
holder in
> > debian/copyright, as seen in the source files and AUTHORS list or
> > equivalent (if any).
>
> Why do you think this work is needed? You must have had some
> rationale, since you made up this policy.
Again, to document that they have, in fact, done w
erves as documentation that the
package has been thoroughly checked for licensing issues. Because such a check
must involve looking at the headers of each file, and any AUTHORS or similar
file, there appears to be no reason why this should not be written down.
It also provides a nice su
y for each package to be thoroughly checked for licensing issues.
As this necessarily involves looking at each file, I don't see why it should be
considered that much extra effort documenting the process.
Ensuring DFSG compatibility is hardly administrative fluff.
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The legal details of copyright assignment are not important here. If the package
lists the copyright as belonging to the FSF, then it belongs to the FSF. If it
does not, then it does not. This is coming from a GNU maintainer who has been
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n't think that possible DFSG problems are RC bugs? :/
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#x27;t mean to be excessively blunt, but I'm afraid that this simply
> isn't legally true.
For our purposes it is more than sufficient.
If a package lists a person as the copyright holder, we should accept it.
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> Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 02:58 +0000, Noah Slater a écrit :
> > Again, while the documentation of individual licenses may not be policy, it
> > is
> > certainly policy for each package to be thoroughly
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:13:54PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 03:34 +0000, Noah Slater wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:07:23PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > > NEW rejections are even stronger than an RC bug. Apart from questions of
> >
cks in debian/copyright could (not would) go a long way towards
preventing DFSG problems in future uploads. Preventative measures seem a lot
better than reactionary ones in this regard.
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t your points, and I apologise for my sloppy wording.
Firmly in my mind is the cost/benefit of this extra effort. If we succeed in
integrating debian/copyright checks into lintian, or dpkg and it's front-ends,
it seems reasonable to imagine that this effort would be a good trade-off.
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that it must be a requirement.
There is no reason why you couldn't adopt this approach with the proposal.
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ily copyright holders) in a machine readable
format would allow lintian checks to be developed, and maybe even automatic
license compatibility checks to be performed.
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ed sane by those maintainers who would most benefit
> from tools to support updates of debian/copyright or abandon the entire
> proposal as a good idea gone bad.
>
> Maybe someone else can look at it after Squeeze and raise version 2.0
> from the ashes.
It seems we are in violent agreem
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 03:47:39PM +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> Le Sunday 22 March 2009 14:45:18 Noah Slater, vous avez écrit :
> > > Could you provide a use case or two to help clarify things? The main
> > > one I see is for an end user to look at a packages copyright file
tself, not a
> solution.
I hardly see that me making a typo constitutes a failure of the format.
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could improve the quality/utility of Debian as a whole, right?
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Only then would we put it forward for proper consideration.
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t; just installing the NOTICE file is more obviously safe.
CouchDB should be doing a 0.9 this week, so I'll take a look. Thanks.
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about the additional work of noting each license down.
* I have made it perfectly clear that noting copyright holders was not
something I was talking about. Please do not mangle my position like this.
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On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:29:37PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Noah Slater writes:
>
> > Having said that, I am thinking that fully documenting the license of
> > each file provides a handy way to ensure that developers are thoroughly
> > checking the package for licensi
things in NEW review.
And once this is complete, the proposed copyright format would sit on top of
that nicely, assuming it is accepted by the community. I want to keep all policy
decisions away from the format proposal.
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there's any utility in duplicating the INN CONTRIBUTORS file in
> debian/copyright.
+1
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e file, without having to worry about
inventing your own consistent formatting style.
Maybe that's just my mild OCD speaking though. Heh.
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> many persons that don't want to spend an afternoon on this topic.
Am I the cat's mother? I'm not sure which is more rude, replying to emails
faster than other people or criticising someone's behaviour in a public forum.
If you think I reply to emails too fast, please do so in
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:08:54PM +, Noah Slater wrote:
> Am I the cat's mother? I'm not sure which is more rude, replying to emails
> faster than other people or criticising someone's behaviour in a public forum.
> If you think I reply to emails too fast, please
The format proposal follows debian/control, and is quite simple in structure.
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starting DEP 5 to gather feedback.
> Nice sound bite. But a spec or a standard's big value comes if
> it is fixed to be widely accepted, even if it means that some parts of
> the standard are "optional".
I hope that you will contribute your opinion when DEP 5 ha
Whoever is drafting the draft ought to be paying attention to
> the feedback being generated now, and create a better draft to start
> with.
Of course we are. :)
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