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> want. Shall we make something like 700 default? It would break some
> things like "UserDir public_html" in Apache, etc. In my school server
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>> This occurs when apt-move first moves the packages in, which is why you m=
> ust
>> never move packages in by hand (at least not without doing an fsck later).
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> On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>
> > Which is why it should only be killed in prerm/preinst.
>
> Which makes all the supposed simple "restart" solution for the runlevel
> problem fai
maintain their packages, but run
this utility just before they upload.
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> On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:13:57PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
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> > You're ignoring our main disagreement. Which is whether most people
> > should use precompiled kernel images or recompile them.
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t; you seem to think that optimisations for specific ia32 sub-architectures
> are important enough to package...
How does this relate to what I said?
> there's good reason to worry about kernel modules now that there are
> known hax0r stealth modules which exist purely to hide the fact th
tep further, let's just distribute what's
in build-essential and let the users compile the rest. Let's rewind
the clock back to times when men were men, and they compiled everything
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>> With the latest release, it's now down to about 80MB. In any case, we
>> never release with more than one old kernel, nor with experimental kernels,
>> so that
ource, extract it to /tmp and set $KSRC?
You can't build-depend on a source package.
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ine.
They already are:
apt-get source kernel-image-2.4.3-i386
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and the user picks the new kernel. IF the kernel works, we switch
> the default.
How are they going to compile a kernel if they haven't even installed Linux?
The most important function of initrd is to reduce the number of kernel
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This is the important bit in
fact. The rest are (mostly) really static.
> Only in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19/include/linux: modversions.h
> Only in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19/include/linux: version.h
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> are welcome.
I'm talking about people like VMWare, i.e., people who distribute binary
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> I'm talking about people like VMWare, i.e., people who distribute binary
> only modules.
I meant to say binary modules.
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the autoconf.h file,
neither of which you can do without if you want to compile binary modules
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 08:15:03AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:24:13PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> > How are they going to compile a kernel if they haven't even installed
> > Linux?
>
> that's obvious. by installing linux and then com
ch conflicts that you're seeing.
So essentially throwing them out means that your architecture will miss
out on all bug fixes. If this turns out to be what most of you want, then
that's fine and I will do just that.
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How does this automate the arch-specific merges where conflicts arise?
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n be better prepared for subsequent security alerts.
And please don't exaggerate about the possibility of breaking systems.
New versions are only uploaded to proposed-updates after extensive testing
by the maintainers, the users in unstable as well as the general Linux
user base. If you have a particular breakage in the 2.4 line in mind,
please bring it up so we can see how it could've be dealt with better.
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hitecture maintainers send me patches which clearly don't affect
other archs or otherwise cause build problems, I will merge them.
I don't think we can guarantee a tree that builds on all or most
architectures, but we should be able to keep the difference to a
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>>
>> How does this automate the arch-specific merges where conflicts arise?
>
> 1. unpack pristine kernel source
> 2. apply Debian patch
> 3. dry-run arch-sp
supply.
I agree that we should try to maintain compatibility. But it should not
override the need to include new stable kernel releases from upstream.
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building kernels using the kernel-source package thinking that
it contained all the security fixes.
I believe that distributing a binary package that may contain
known security problems is a very serious problem.
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eck apart from the fact that if there isn't
an arch update after a security update to kernel-source, then that arch
is probably vulnerable. If you've got an idea on how this can improved,
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dding the external address to the loopback interface:
ip a a 192.168.65.5/32 dev lo
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know about it.
Seriously, please find something more productive to do than making
these never-ending complaints about changelog entries. It might've
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to include more information, we don't
need to stop them. But we sure as hell shouldn't be forcing them to
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Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:07:00PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>> what if the maintainer uploads a new upstream release which happens to fix
>> bug #xxx, and then sends a message by hand to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> with the message &qu
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>> OK. Let me ask you this question: what if the maintainer uploads a
>> new upstream release which happens to fix bug #xxx, and then sends
>> a message by hand
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 09:07:00PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
>>>
>>>&g
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>> OK. Let me ask you this question: what if the maintainer uploads a
>> new upstream release which happens to fix bug #xxx, and then sends
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>> OK. Let me ask you this question: what if the maintainer uploads a
>> new upstream release which happens to fix bug #xxx, and then sends
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in Debian is what it was meant for in the first place.
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gned with ISO/IEC 9899: 1. There is no
requirement that lex generates code that is accepted by c89.
But of course this has no bearing on whether a particular implementation
chooses to be backwards compatible or not.
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> Huh? POSIX is the same as SUSv3 now? They used to be separate.
http://lwn.net/Articles/15697/
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ory");
> In particular, the lock prefix is not available on i386. Since this is
No it's xaddl that is not available on 386.
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ndant: these changes should be in
the upstream changelog already.
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u want to be pedantic, mostly redundant then. I don't know about
your upstream, but as far as the Linux kernel goes, most changes have
reasonable log messages in the BitKeeper system.
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Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> If this indeed feasible, then this is the solution that appeals most to
> me personally.
It certainly is feasible. In fact, such a patch has been in existence
for at least a year.
> Also, Herbert Xu, the 80386 kernel-flavor main
oot -
Why is fakeroot calling the real chown(2)?
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Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Herbert Xu wrote:
>
>> It is in fact detrimental for a third group, people who are trying to
>> extract the version in which a given bug was fixed.
>
> Aah, but if the bug wasn't fixed due to
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> 2. debian/changelog readers -- No change. They have lost a slight bit
>> information that is irrelevant for the purpose of documenting Debian
>> changes.
changelog already.
>
> I don't see anything particularly helpful in the upstream changelog for
> the above example.
Please do not generalise the practice of individual upstream authors.
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doesn't solve the
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to me via email when I'm upgrading
hundreds of machines automatically.
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On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 02:34:50PM -0600, John Galt wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Herbert Xu wrote:
>
> >
> >I for one am sick and tired of useless Debconf messages popping up
> >during installation or being sent to me via email when I'm upgrading
>
Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 17:23, Herbert Xu wrote:
>> I'd prefer no interaction at all during installation. I'm perfectly
>> able to read documenation thank you very much.
>
> Happily, the noninteractive debconf frontend ex
ive any clue as to what flavors exist and has *no
> documentation at all*.
How many Debian users are there that will use lm-sensors and i2c
modules for a prepackaged kernel on a non-i386 architecture?
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an updated version of the standard. Standards get their
> value from having a rigid procedure for updates and modifications.
> Software do not.
Do you know that you will be fighting the infamous GFD? Good luck!
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I don't know the specifics of this case but perhaps they were worried
about the possibility of pulling ssl into a GPLed program accidentally?
If that's the case then it's certainly a valid reason to reject the
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g to use initrd anyway? It's much easier to build
the drivers into the kernel.
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> Slightly off-topic, is there any tool to easily determine reverse
> build-depends?
apt-cache showpkg
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> levels into one to simplify things.
Required could be used to mark those packages which should be essential
but can't, e.g., libc6 or mawk.
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> again, these days the player has root anyway.
If the player has root then why are discussing the possibility of the
player cracking into the games group?
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sh -c 'kill -9 $$'
and
/usr/bin/time sh -c 'kill -9 $$'
will return different things.
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bugs automatically.
This is bullshit.
We've gone through this many times already. Upstream changes should
not be documented in the Debian changelog, even if they fix bugs in
the Debian BTS.
If I were the maintainer of this package, I would close these bugs again.
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the feet of the maintainer.
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nges in debian/changelog just because they
happen to fix bugs in the Debian BTS makes no sense.
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packages are done more or less blindly. Specifically, the message
> translations.
This might be OK for translations. But for anything else, if something
goes wrong, then it's the maintainer's fault since he is the one who
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That's OK with me. However, if you wish to make everyone do that, then
may I suggest that you draw up a less arbitrary criterion than whether
someone has filed a bug about it in the Debian BTS.
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d.
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wn (security) bugs.
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OK with me. However, if you wish to make everyone do that, then
>> may I suggest that you draw up a less arbitrary criterion than whether
>> someone has filed a bug about it in the Debian BTS.
>
> I don't think that the presence of a bug report is at all arbitrary.
Well then this is beyond me.
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it is clearly going to be merged into Linux
proper then it is likely to fail that check.
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along with reasons why
you think they should be included.
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s subsumed by the other criterion. In fact,
it is weaker than the Debian change criterion since it does not demand
all Debian changes to be listed.
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from Debian.
> BTW - linux-2.6.0-test5 was released Sept 8.
Yes I know. I plan to stick to a monthly release schedule unless there
is something drastically wrong.
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'll probably include it when 2.4.23 is
released.
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should contain all
the information you need to extract any particular patch that you're
interested in.
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of the population guilty of a crime,
one should not obey it without careful deliberation.
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s. You can review
this for yourself by visiting to the BTS entry for the grsecurity
package.
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imes already.
The solution is to either upgrade to 2.4.22-2 which has just entered
unstable or boot with acpi=off.
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ed not supported. But you can achieve
the same effect through IPSEC policies.
The only show stopper with tunnels is the lack of SNAT support. Even
that isn't very difficult to resolve.
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would be able to do.
You argument fails even with the kernel source as the patch is easily
reversed.
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ot;, it is certainly
> unmaintainable for other "patch" package maintainer or any one try to
> apply patch to keep up with you.
Keeping up with the Debian tree is much the same as keeping up with
any other kernel tree. The answer is to use a proper revision control
system.
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> | Very few people really need cramfs if they're building custom kernels.
> | This is because initrd only makes sense when you're building for a
> | large number of machines. If you're building a cu
working again. The last working Debian
> kernel with IPVS is 2.4.20.
You can either use a vanilla kernel, or unapply the IPSEC patch as
documented in the README.Debian file.
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e conflicts.
It shouldn't be difficult as IPVS is already part of 2.6.
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