Re: Vision for the future (was: Re: COUNT(buildd) IN (2,3))

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Monday 14 March 2005 19:38, Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:17:08PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > > Both are currently "happening." The current release and security teams > > say that they cannot support the tier-2 arches for etch. The porters jump >

Security support for tier-2 (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
take the former. Then read the Nybbles proposal as a invitation to forming a $tier_2_arch security team, recompiling packages from DSAs as needed. Yes, you will be later than everyone else, but you will definitely be finished before "never". Regards, David -- - hallo... w

m68k (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
ase to justify inclusion on all mirrors, defined as 10% of downloads over a sampled set of mirrors " Does m68k have developers to support d-i and support from the security team? Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über e

Re: Call for help / release criteria

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Monday 14 March 2005 22:58, Christian Kurz wrote: > On [14/03/05 19:05], David Schmitt wrote: > > They do so now. Are you (all) prepared to take up the call? > > Pardon, but where do you see any public e-Mail from any of the "the > people doing release, ftpmaster, etc.

Building tier-2 against testing (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
Please explain this to me, I am little slow in the morning. > And if testing is not appropriate for them, why don't we drop testing > altogether ? Off the top of my head I would say because testing was appropriate for a small number of arches but didn't appropriately scale for a bigger number of arches where the probability of breakage on any single one of them approaches one. Also testing is absolutely needed to be able to properly support stable after the release: this needs synced arches, else security updates would need to recompile several different minor diverging versions each time. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

amd64/multiarch transition (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
d packages [ORDER BY maint]) until 75-90% of the transition is finished and only afterwards file bugs on those packages that still pose problems. This often also included maintaining a external repository with all changed packages (see SELinux for example). Regards, David -- - hallo... wie

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
ou don't provide pointer to relevant material this sounds like hte earlier claim, that Martin Schulze is the only active security team member because his DSA announcements are the only ones posted[1]. Regards, David [1] I'm exaggerating a little bit here. -- - hallo... wie gehts heu

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
work for a stable release (tracking RC bugs, D-I, security support, buildd administration) the ratio is exactly the other way. Debian is Debian/stable. Removing those working primarily on releasing would leave only a shell of Debian behind. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
night after some flashworm hit me because the security update was delayed (for whatever $arch-specific reason). Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Security support for tier-2 (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Monday 14 March 2005 17:18, Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:12:29AM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 09:54:49AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > It is not unstable that I am (most) worried about. > > > > > > It is the

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
> so, and become a "tier-1" arch. Yay you. If I read the proposal (and Steves explanations) right, ftp.d.o mirroring and tier-1 are not coupled. You seem to imply that. Please clarify. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommuni

s390 not currently projected releasable (was: Re: Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
390 all in all seems to keep up. Perhaps this is only a temporary problem? We can only guess without $s390_buildd_maintainer. Regards, David [1] http://people.debian.org/~igloo/needs-build-graph/index.php?arches=s390&days=30 -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - g

stable - yes or no? (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
se architectures that need relativly stable 12-18 month release cycles. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

discussing Debians qualities (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 14:34, Julien BLACHE wrote: > David Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sure, and I won't say the contrary. But having a great infrastructure > >> (which is the case) and great people doing good work is of no help in > >> maki

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
d and release whatever was able to build it. I also want to believe that it will be possible for a few dedicated porters to get into the vendor-sec circle, but this is a highly sensitive area jeoparding Debians ability as a whole to release prompt security updates. Regards, David -- -

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Nusinow
ble Debian with all it entails. You're some piece of work. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:04:31AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:52:22 -0500, David Nusinow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Sarge was already very late before Ubuntu existed. Our mirror network was > >already strained before Ubuntu existed. Our releas

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
ee bugs are maintnance-gone-cold, fix-in-the-works but not yet verified and maintnance-gone-cold. Two out of three are RC problems even without amd64, the third is being worked on and probably already solved. I don't want to research the other bugs but I don't believe the situation to b

Re: stable - yes or no?

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 17:08, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit David Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Tuesday 15 March 2005 12:57, Henning Makholm wrote: > >> Scripsit Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > This really mak

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
leasable vs releasable, but only by the technical merits of the patch) *) accept the patch -> patched *) run and hide -> still patched Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir Ãber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Le

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:13:39PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:17:25 -0500, David Nusinow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:04:31AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > >> From what is public visible, the security team has lost at l

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:45:48PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For *years*, I've heard porters complain about ftpmaster and > > such. Well, now every port has the full ability to take matters in > > to their own h

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Nusinow
lems instead of just bitching. Oh, and do the work to implement it. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:55:57PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, David Nusinow wrote: > > > This does not preclude porters from making a stable release. In fact, all > > the talk I've heard assumes that they will (via the snapshot method). > > Anybody can do

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread David Nusinow
in that email. It definitely clarifies things. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Problems in the buildd network (was: Re: s390 not currently projected releasable)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
Additionally, this hints at hidden problems of this architecture which - in the worst case - might lead to Debians sudden inability to support a really-stable release on this architecture. Regardless of the outcome of the post-Vancouver fallout, this is a problem that should be tackled before bl

Partial release idea for a given arch (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-16 Thread David Schmitt
nd better are not in sync between the testing major and this instance. Of course the list can be optimises by sharing "must-have" and probably also parts of "should-have" across more arches. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir Ãber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

etch release target: SELinux?? (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-16 Thread David Schmitt
nd it'd is probably an important step forward to bringing SELinux more into the mainstream. Russell is probably in a better position to comment on the feasibility though. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir Ãber

Re: *seconded* Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-16 Thread David Schmitt
y updates without infringing on vendor-sec embargoes. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir Ãber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

summarising answers to Vancouver critique (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-16 Thread David Schmitt
any ports since it is not possible to > support those snapshots security-wise by the security team and they > would be locked out of a stable release as well. We cannot support an > arbitrary number of source packages. This would get the Debian > archive totally out of sync. One of the underlying assumtions - as far as I discerned it - was exactly that the security team already cannot support those architectures which won't fulfil REGULAR requirements because of other reasons than unstable snapshotting. Also as I tried to explain above, this very much will depend on porters actual needs for releasing and their willingness to put their money where their mouth is. > It's also an interesting thought how many architectures will suffer > from the _all dependency trap when maintainers don't care about crap > architectures anymore that won't be released at all. Hmm, this is a point I have not seen considered until now, people should keep an eye on this. Though I remember discussion how the _all (= $Source-Version) can be remedied also in the light of bin-NMUs. > Done. AOL! Thank you all for your patience, reading until the end ;) Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir Ãber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-16 Thread David Schmitt
arious packages rotting in NEW and making that information public. Without public information, there is no discussion. Without discussing those things (especially those ftp-masters have generally express their distrust by ignoring them) nothing will happen. Regards, David -- - hallo... wi

Dropping testing (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-16 Thread David Schmitt
aims at a 12-18 month release cycle) 2) Providing a better alternative is more efficiently done by those dissatisfied with the status-quo (i.e. you) as opposed to those who worked hard to establish the status-quo as solution to their problems (i.e. ftp-master and release team). Than

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread David Nusinow
nced such that when a hint is carried out by the RM's, a notification mail is sent out to a subscriber list notifying them of the hint. This would allow for multiple subtestings to choose wheter or not they want to do the same thing. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RFC] OpenLDAP automatic upgrade

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
m the enterprise RDBMS making me too no big candidate for automatic upgrades. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 01:19, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, David Schmitt wrote: > > Collecting tidbits of > > information concerning the various packages rotting in NEW and making > > that information public. > > A list of packages-in-NEW is available on the Web,

Re: Dropping testing (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 00:21, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:51:16PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > "libraries transitioned" is a big point against testing: > > Transitions of API-compatible libraries are a pain _only_ due to > testing. In unstable, suc

Re: arch-specific packages and the new SCC requirements

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
dpkg,release}/, but also include dak, britney, w-b and whatever else there looks at the Arch: field) and create a wellformed patch. I'm sure that would be very appreciated. Don't expect your first version to be wellformed. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
ere might be issues caused by delaying builds across library transitions. Perhaps there will be a need for defining ALMOSTREGULAR. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Un

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
On Thursday 17 March 2005 22:09, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10231 March 1977, David Schmitt wrote: > >> > Collecting tidbits of > >> > information concerning the various packages rotting in NEW and making > >> > that information public. > >> > &

Re: .d.o machines which are down (Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
y disagreements on urgency on a smaller scale. Buildd availability for example. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir Ãber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

idea for lintian/linda check (Re: NEW handling ...)

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
yes. Would it be possible to code a check for lintian/linda how much space is used by the package in /usr/share and report an error when crossing a threshold (100kb? 500kB?) for Arch != all? Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommuniz

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-17 Thread David Whitmarsh
y http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/hints/README > -- As an aside, urgetn in the top section of that readme is certainly meant to be urgent. As this is a huge thread, I expect this will be lost in the noise, but I thought I'd point it out so someone can fix it. David signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-17 Thread David Schmitt
the current > proposal and will diminish debian's value. The former is the way to go. > Scalability problems need to be solved by improving infrastructure or > procedures as appropriate. Porters who have worked on getting an arch to REGUALR status are in a much better position (demonstrated commitment, technical aptness and experiencewise) to solve those problems than random-joe-developer. Always remember that the main reason that it is easier for a porters team to release within the (current) Debian framework than outside is that _others_ do work for them. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir Ãber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-18 Thread David Schmitt
talked with the CTO two days ago about the Vancouver plan and he said that implementing it (or something similar) would demonstrate Debians ability to cope with its internal problems, assuring him that he won't need to switch. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-18 Thread David Schmitt
her, because they could "just improve $releae-mechanism" and release etch with all 15+ arches within the next two years really hasn't understood how Debian works[1]. If this pace keeps up I am convinced that etch will have more than four REGULAR arches. Regards, David [1] ... and s

Re: NEW handling ...

2005-03-18 Thread David Schmitt
t a discussion about the rest going. And "discussion" in this case doesn't mean posting long rants from the uploaders on d-devel how unfairly the cabal has ignored his package since he uploaded it five years ago to NEW and never cared afterwards. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie ge

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-18 Thread David Nusinow
s is still an issue. Joey Hess's mails have indicated very clearly that it's difficult to get an installer release out even when all arches are already supported. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The 98% and N<=2 criteria (was: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-19 Thread David Weinehall
res. This way, we'd both satisfy people using Debian as a base for embedded and other customised systems, and most (but not all) porters. Of course some people are never satisfied, but then again, there is no way to solve this that makes everyone happy. [1] Hopefully, I might remember incor

Re: Licenses for DebConf6 [was: Re: DebConf6: Call For Papers]

2005-11-13 Thread David Nusinow
ee license for the papers to be acceptable. That they are mandating this is acceptible and is to be encouraged for an event connected with Debian. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Licenses for DebConf6

2005-11-13 Thread David Nusinow
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 10:13:31PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > Debconf requires non-exclusive publication rights to papers, > >> > presentations, and any additional handouts or audio/visual materials

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 2

2005-11-21 Thread David Nusinow
rimental, and is slated to be removed in the next upload of Xorg to unstable, be it 6.8 or 6.9. If this really is an important issue, I can do a 6.8 upload to unstable within 24 hours. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [tex-live] Re: XyMTeX in TeX live

2005-12-02 Thread David Kastrup
sorry to hear that my inquiry resulted in the removal of XyMTeX > from TeXLive. :-( Your inquiry resulted in Dr. Shinsaku's wishes being heeded. That's nothing to be sorry for. It is a pity that such are his wishes, but that certainly is not a fault of yours. -- David Kastrup, Kr

Re: Debian and the desktop

2005-12-12 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 11:37:31PM +0200, Linas Zvirblis wrote: > David Moreno Garza wrote: > > >What are you talking about Debian Style? > > Color scheme, artwork (default wallpaper, login screen, even CD covers). > All those little things that would make a user sa

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Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-14 Thread David Pashley
Installer ( 0) irssi_0.8.10-1_multi.changes ACCEPTED 5.5 hours for a package to make it through NEW. I think you owe some people an apology. (Oh and to who ever processed irssi, thank you. Was a nice surprise to wake up to. :) ) -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stu

Re: Packaging swftools for Debian

2005-12-18 Thread David Pashley
ution would be something that ldopened liblame, so a user could install liblame if they wanted and get the functionality that they would have done if it was compiled in now. I believe that would be allowed in Debian, as we wouldn't be distributing anything patent-encumbered. -- David Pashley [

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread David Nusinow
roject rather than their little package feifdom. It might help overcome the sense that key people aren't communicating, as well as provide more easy avenues for NM's to get involved that don't simply involve packaging some crap little script from freshmeat. - David Nusinow [0] A Debian

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread David Nusinow
meone can take ownership of a package within the team) but also a cohesiveness and a known set of people to turn to when you're in need. It's pretty simple to found such a team too. All it takes is some interested people and an alioth project. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRI

Re: /run vs. /lib/run

2005-12-26 Thread David Weinehall
, let's not dump even more crap into /etc; it's ugly enough as it is... Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(

Package Submission

2005-12-27 Thread David Seff
Hello, I am new to the list. Could anybody point me in the direction for submitting a new package to Debian? Is there a documented procedure? Thanks. -Dave Seff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-05 Thread David Nusinow
g 6.9 while it was in experimental. Not enough to catch all the bugs by any means, but I got at least some feedback. Then again, Xorg is special in that people with newer hardware often need the updates. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is mesa actually maintained?

2006-01-06 Thread David Nusinow
at the buglist. I'm not really all that thrilled about the possibility of becoming the mesa maintainer, but right now it looks like my only option if I want to move on modular xorg. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-06 Thread David Nusinow
p from scratch. If you want it in Debian, get hacking. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cooperating With Canonical Employees

2006-01-09 Thread David Nusinow
tions, soliciting advice politely, and rolling up your sleeves and getting some work done. Free software on the scale that Debian exists is fundamentally a social activity, and if you want it to work you have to make an effort on the human level. All this crap about launchpad, arch vs svn, and ot

Re: Is mesa actually maintained?

2006-01-10 Thread David Nusinow
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:25:17AM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:26:33AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > Hello! This is one of 5 RC bugs, apparently with no maintainer response. > > Apparently the list which is listed as the maintainer is rej

Re: Canonical's business model

2006-01-12 Thread David Nusinow
t; bad strategy to be making externally to Debian in the first place if > > they're serious about limiting divergence from Debian. > > I agree with the poll thing, but the 'giving back to Debian' applies > when you think about things like xorg (David even wrote it), gksu >

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:35:18PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > However, on the other hand feel free to create a "common maintained > packages team" that adopts such packages :) Isn't that pretty much what the qa team does? - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-13 Thread David Nusinow
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:45:48AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > We can't say that Canonical/Ubuntu isn't contributing back. They're, > as pointed out by some of us. e.g.: David said that Daniel helped him, > but if he did that in his workhours it's under Canonical

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-13 Thread David Nusinow
at keep many users from using Debian." From the sound of this thread everyone would welcome what's on that page with open arms. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-14 Thread David Nusinow
o idea how, but I do know that I'm still looking to close the gap in certain differences between our X packages and Knoppix's for instance. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-14 Thread David Nusinow
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:53:51PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 05:49:40PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: > > I don't buy this. The impression that just about everyone has of this > > didn't come from nowhere. > > Not from nowhere, no. The

Re: gerris FTBFS bug has not been fixed for 300 days

2006-01-16 Thread David Nusinow
g an NMU for one of his other packages, and I can NMU gerris sometime over the next few days with your patch in his report. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: gerris FTBFS bug has not been fixed for 300 days

2006-01-16 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 03:42:54PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:25:58AM -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > Hi all > > Please let me know if there is other appropriate mailing list to > > report this problem. I am looking at the package

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-17 Thread David Weinehall
rest for Debian to do so, but since it's obvious from this discussion that different Debian developers have different opinions on this issue, it's clearly not in Debian's best interest. Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /) Rime on my window

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-17 Thread David Nusinow
care about a topic please don't waste all of our time while you browbeat your opposition (and in this case, fellow Debian developer) in to the ground. Some of us who do care might want to see something positive come out of this long and painful thread. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-19 Thread David Nusinow
community for making a similar mistake. That said, I don't really understand why it's Ok for Ubuntu to do this but not us. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-19 Thread David Nusinow
On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 03:18:48PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 05:58:20PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: > > That said, I don't really understand why it's Ok for Ubuntu to do this but > > not us. > > Ubuntu never installs python-minimal wi

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-19 Thread David Nusinow
'm also confused and genuinely curious... you guys use the minimal package during bootstrapping or something and then by the end of the installation process you will necessarily have the full python somehow. Is this correct? - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-22 Thread David Weinehall
n Debian too, but if the bug is caused by the Ubuntu build environment, then the bug is purely in the package, and any bugreport would just waste the Debian developer's time, *AND* risk Ubuntu losing vital information about a bug in their build environment. Regards: David -- /)

Re: Is mesa actually maintained?

2006-01-22 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:18:18PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: > I've got an NMU prepared and sitting in the XSF svn repo[0]. Almost all the > work was done by Daniel Stone, so I mainly had to add the appropriate bug > closers in the changelog. > > This NMU will depend on a n

Pre-Depends for Xorg 7.0

2006-01-22 Thread David Nusinow
translate just fine to Debian. I'll be uploading packages to experimental shortly to test for this, although I don't recommend anyone use it outside of a chroot until we have a more or less complete X suite available in experimental. If you have any questions or comments, please feel fr

Re: Pre-Depends for Xorg 7.0

2006-01-22 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 12:15:23AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > David Nusinow wrote: > >One of the changes happening for Xorg 7.0 is that it will finally become > > FHS compliant. > > FWIW, the FHS 2.1 specifies /usr/X11R6 in section 4.1. I can't see > anything FHS-

Re: Pre-Depends for Xorg 7.0

2006-01-23 Thread David Nusinow
ymlink to . (i.e. /usr/bin) which > means that this all continues to work fine after xauth and friends move > to /usr/bin. David's paragraph above implies something different. David? Right, I'm sorry. I'd forgotten about that part and had misread the script before sending the mail.

Re: Pre-Depends for Xorg 7.0

2006-01-23 Thread David Nusinow
On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 09:54:54PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Right. The everything that you'd expect to go in to /usr/bin and > > /usr/lib will install there, at least as far as Xorg goes. An example of > > th

Re: Pre-Depends for Xorg 7.0

2006-01-23 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 07:32:33AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 12:48:24AM -0500, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Right. The everything that you'd expect to go in to /usr/bin and /usr/lib > > will install there, at least as fa

Re: Pre-Depends for Xorg 7.0

2006-01-23 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 02:48:33AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > David Nusinow wrote: > > Right. The everything that you'd expect to go in to /usr/bin and /usr/lib > > will install there, at least as far as Xorg goes. An example of that is > > that the new xterm package i

Re: Pre-Depends for Xorg 7.0

2006-01-23 Thread David Nusinow
boring, and I > wouldn't recommend it if you can avoid it. Apparently upstream has made an imake configuration that will basically do the right thing and install binaries to /usr/bin and so forth. I'll be sure to enable this in our build. Hopefully that'll take care of this issue. -

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-23 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 05:33:33PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sunday 22 January 2006 03:16, David Weinehall wrote: > > > Since all Ubuntu packages are recompiled against a different set of > > libraries, the bug might not even affect the Debian package, even though >

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-26 Thread David Nusinow
edge to reduce this problem in my own work, rather than write it in the language I would have chosen had I been first to the site. While perl has its share of problems, it's not that bad and refusing to work in it is a little absurd. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#351445: ITP: raccoonshow -- RaccoonShow combines slides and audio for a presentation into a Macromedia Flash format.

2006-02-04 Thread David Watson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: raccoonshow Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : Jono Bacon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.jonobacon.org/projects/raccoonshow/ * License : GPL

Re: helix player package for debian?

2006-02-08 Thread David Weinehall
aptic > doesn't show up any matches for helix. apt-cache search helix-player yields: helix-player - the helix audio and video player Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Di

Bug#352151: ITP: compiz -- OpenGL window and compositing manager

2006-02-09 Thread David Nusinow
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: compiz Version : 0.0.1 Upstream Author : David Reveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.freedesktop.org * License : GPL or MIT/X11 Description : O

Bug#352153: ITP: xserver-xgl -- OpenGL Backed X Server

2006-02-09 Thread David Nusinow
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: xserver-xgl Version : 1.0.1 Upstream Author : X.Org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.freedesktop.org * License : MIT/X Description : OpenGL Bac

Bug#352155: ITP: xephyr -- X server that outputs to a window on a pre-existing X display

2006-02-09 Thread David Nusinow
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: xephyr Version : 1.0.1 Upstream Author : X.Org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.freedesktop.org * License : MIT/X Description : X server that

Bug#352156: ITP: glxcompmgr -- OpenGL compositing manager

2006-02-09 Thread David Nusinow
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: glxcompmgr Version : 0.0.1 Upstream Author : X.Org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.freedesktop.org * License : MIT/X Description : OpenGL composi

Bug#353117: ITP: libphp-xajax -- A PHP library to develop Ajax applications

2006-02-16 Thread David Gil
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name : libphp-xajax Version : 0.2 Upstream Authors : Jared White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> J. Max Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.xajaxproj

Re: ITP: freebsd-manpages -- Manual pages for a GNU/kFreeBSD system

2006-02-18 Thread David Weinehall
o more binary packages? manpages (generic stuff for all Debian systems), manpages-linux (Linux specific things, like sysfs), manpages-linux-dev (Linux specific programming interfaces). Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /) Rime on my window (\ // ~

Re: Bug#353381: ITP: freebsd-manpages -- Manual pages for a GNU/kFreeBSD system

2006-02-19 Thread David Weinehall
anges are needed to address > bugs such as #295211 (upstream does not document our libc/kernel > combination). What manpages in upstream are non-free? Do we have rewritten alternatives in Debian, or are those pages simply removed without replacement? Regards: David Weinehall -- /)

Re: Pre-Depends for Xorg 7.0

2006-02-19 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 07:32:33AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 12:48:24AM -0500, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Right. The everything that you'd expect to go in to /usr/bin and /usr/lib > > will install there, at least as fa

Re: Bug#353777: ITP: multixterm -- drive multiple xterms separately or together

2006-02-21 Thread David Pashley
. This provides support for > programs such as emacs. > Why would I want to use this? I now know how to use it, but I am still none the wiser as to what I could do with it. You might want to rewrite the description to include some use cases for multixterm. -- David Pashley [EMAIL P

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