Sponsor wanted for new newspost package

2008-04-28 Thread David
unsigned_upload, debug) File "/usr/bin/dput", line 281, in verify_files changes = parse_changes(chg_fd) File "/usr/bin/dput", line 80, in parse_changes for a in changes.dict['files'].split('\n'): KeyError: 'files' My dir shows: ... drwxr-xr

[Fwd: Sponsor wanted for new newspost package]

2008-04-28 Thread David
+ (UTC) Weitersenden-Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:31:36 +0200 Von:David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-devel@lists.debian.org I have made changes to source package newspost_2.1.1-4 ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

newspost - neues Paket bauen - Fragen -- newspost - build new source package - questions

2008-04-29 Thread David
(Erzeugen der Datei debian/files). Jetzt - bin immer noch im Verzeichnis newspost-2.1.2.beta - dpkg-genchanges -sa ergibt einige Warnungen: parsechangelog/debian: Warnung: debian/changelog(l5): ungültig formatierte Zeile im Nachspann LINE: -- David Moerike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat,

build new source package - questions

2008-04-29 Thread David
warnings: parsechangelog/debian: Warnung: debian/changelog(l5): ungültig formatierte Zeile im Nachspann LINE: -- David Moerike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat, 26 Apr 08:01:02 +0200 parsechangelog/debian: Warnung: debian/changelog(l7): found start of entry where expected more change data or t

Has recibido una postal de David

2008-05-03 Thread David
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Make money at home with your PC

2001-09-05 Thread David
I'll make you a promise.   READ THIS E-MAIL TO THE END!   - follow what it says to the letter -   and you will not worry whether a RECESSION is coming or not, who is President, or whether you keep your current job or not.   Yes, I know what you are thinking. I never responded to one of thes

Re: XFS Kernel image packaging

2001-09-26 Thread David
f I'm not mistaken, at least the ones on some of the machines I put XFS into. There are Reiserfs images avaiable however. I certainly would like to get a hold of some XFS based install disks if anyone ever has done any with success. David On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:12:52PM

Fwd: Application Icons Design

2011-09-12 Thread David
twitter ===8<==Original message text=== Hello David, >Timeframe is 3 weeks. It's possible to discuss a budget next week with skype, >Please try to ask the following icon designer: debian-devel@lists.debian.org ===8<===End of orig

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-19 Thread David Prévot
it IMHO. Thanks for raising the issue publicly. Regards David

Re: mtkbabel mayby unmaintained long time new version available Perl? advice?

2024-09-15 Thread David Bremner
an do in terms of triaging existing bugs (seeing if they can be duplicated on your system), and reporting actual (major or minor) problems with the software you are using. I hope you will consider this as constructive feedback. David

Re: Bug#278027: RFP: ibm-acpi -- Driver for IBM laptops to extend ACPI support

2004-10-26 Thread David Schweikert
m not 100% sure about), having a package would make it work on older kernels. Also, an init script is needed to configure what events you are interested in and the package can provide example configuration files in /etc/acpi. Cheers David -- David Schweikert| phone: +41 44 632 7019 System

Linux: Status Update On Open Source Friendly Graphics Card

2004-10-27 Thread David Palmer
57 Regards, David.

Re: Bug#278027: RFP: ibm-acpi -- Driver for IBM laptops to extend ACPI support

2004-10-28 Thread David Schweikert
be however of use right now. I don't know, but maybe it could even make it to sarge... Cheers David -- David Schweikert| phone: +41 44 632 7019 System manager ISG.EE | walk: ETH Zentrum, ETL F24.1 ETH Zurich, Switzerland | web: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/dws

Re: Bug#292831: udev: udev prevents X from beeing started

2005-01-31 Thread David Pashley
at does not just work on Linux 2.4. > Except, I believe magicdev polls the kernel, rather than responding to kernel event. Plus HAL provides more features than just noticing if a CD has been inserted into a drive. -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#280324: ITP: freemind -- A Java Program for creating and viewing Mindmaps

2004-11-10 Thread David Goodenough
run freemind with any of the available > > DFSG-free JREs so far? > > Not personally, but some users have unintentionally and unsuccessfully > tried to start FreeMind with kaffe and gcj. Would I get a different > result if I would try to _compile_ first FreeMind with whatever free JDK?

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-02 Thread David Weinehall
ng. Indeed, in a society where people were more equal (and more relaxed about sexuality), the porn industry would very likely both be sanitised and less prosperous. Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /) Northern lights wander (\ // Maintainer of

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-02 Thread David Weinehall
not. We're also not the PTA or the moral police. > right to look at cartoon tits then that's fine by me. We are trying to > build an operating system. I think. Indeed. From that point of view, hotbabe is pretty meaningless. Then again, so is quake, doom, nethack, etc. Regards:

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-02 Thread David Schleef
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:03:42AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote: > Yes, you are being absurd. Since you are presumably not understanding the > point, let me explain more clearly: > > Pornography is widely regarded as being demeaning and insulting to women. Is this among people who are associated

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-02 Thread David Weinehall
27;s leaves or something in the > default incarnation. While being all for that series of pictures (nature is beautiful), I find the package pretty meaningless anyway, so I don't see the point of including it in Debian in the first place. I do, however, see some relevance to the di

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-02 Thread David Mandelberg
M$/CS>$/CC/IT$/M/S/O/U dpu s+:++ !a C++$>C+++$ UB+++>$L$*-- P+>++$ L+++()$ E-(---) W+++>$ N(+) o? K- w--(---) O? M V? PS++@ PE-@ Y+@ PGP++(+++)>$ t? 5? X? R tv--(-) b++(+++)@ DI? D? G e-> h* r? z* --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- David Mandelberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

2004-12-03 Thread David Weinehall
On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:07:14PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2004-12-02 08:44:34, schrieb David Weinehall: > > > Really, she's 13, and you think it'd do any difference whatsoever to > > expose her to a pixelled image of a nude woman?! Sheesh. Either &

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-03 Thread David Schmitt
specially if they're downloading from a mirror that's in their country, > they may not be aware of this. I'd hope that someone who installs bible-kjv would think about the consequences when such texts were forbidden in her country. Regards, David -- * Customer: "My palmtop

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- (abusive?) erotic images in Debian

2004-12-04 Thread David Weinehall
oppose it. Again, have a look at the pictures *before* making comments. I don't doubt that you have have these opinions; in fact, I suspect most people here agree with you (I do). It's not really relevant wrt these pictures, however. [snip] Regards: David Weinehall -- /) Davi

Re: Questionable image process. Was: Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- (abusive?) erotic images in Debian

2004-12-04 Thread David Palmer
Bruce Perens wrote: David Weinehall wrote: The ITP contains a link to the source for the package. You *really* need to have a look at the pictures. All of your argumentation below about pron neatly goes *wooosh*. I'll take your word. However, we seem to be lacking some process here. I don&#

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-06 Thread David Nusinow
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 12:12:53PM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote: > You're being offensive, you should not be included in Debian. Reading this one comment made this whole craptacular thread worth reading. - David Nusinow

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- (abusive?) erotic images in Debian

2004-12-07 Thread David Weinehall
images and I'd be surprised if > Tollef> you feel them degrade, abuse or exploit females. I think > Tollef> they are silly and nothing to be upset about. Not porn, > Tollef> not erotic, just silly. This part, was written by Tollef though =) [snip] Rega

Re: Status of this ITP?

2004-12-08 Thread David Pashley
dly. People work on Debian because they want to. Having people shout at them isn't the best incentive to get them to do voluntary work. -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

Re: Where is your freedom of speech ? (Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor)

2004-12-08 Thread David Nusinow
stributing content to places like Iran. - David Nusinow ObRC: #280901

Re: dselect survey

2004-12-09 Thread David Schmitt
#x27;t install, upgrade or > configure correctly and wrongly blamed dselect for these problems. > > [ Quizz of the day: which cases do you think are the most common? ] > > Once you understand the basics, I find dselect to be a very useful and > efficient program. Amen! Well sa

Re: Linux Core Consortium

2004-12-10 Thread David Schmitt
s was unusable without the signature while non-LCC binaries would just be that: non-LCC binaries. Regards, David -- * Customer: "My palmtop won't turn on." * Tech Support: "Did the battery run out, maybe?" * Customer: "No, it doesn't use batteries. I

Re: dselect survey

2004-12-10 Thread David Schmitt
ally when I don't have to use woody's dselect anymore. echo expert >> /etc/dpkg/dselect.cfg Regards, David -- * Customer: "My palmtop won't turn on." * Tech Support: "Did the battery run out, maybe?" * Customer: "No, it doesn't use bat

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-10 Thread David Pashley
it is an acceptable thing to ship as it has no use. -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

Re: Debian package selection depending on user location/belief/society(was bug #283578 hot-babe (AGAIN :-)))

2004-12-11 Thread David Weinehall
is pornographic is dependant on the viewer, so most people are unlikely to be offended by the artwork in hotbabe... Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /) Northern lights wander (\ // Maintainer of the v2.0 kernel // Dance across the winter sky // \) h

Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activitymonitor

2004-12-12 Thread David Mandelberg
t to death; their blood shall be upon them. > That's not anti-homosexual, that's anti-bisexual. "as he lieth with a woman" implies that he has to lie with women the same way as with men for it to be applicable. -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT/CM$/CS>$/CC/IT$/M/S/O/U dpu s+:++ !a C++$>C+++$ UB+++>$L$*-- P+>++$ L+++()$ E-(---) W+++>$ N(+) o? K- w--(---) O? M V? PS++@ PE-@ Y+@ PGP++(+++)>$ t? 5? X? R tv--(-) b++(+++)@ DI? D? G e-> h* r? z* --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- David Mandelberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Bug#285681: ITP: libxbox-dev -- Libxbox-dev provides the headers for libxbox0 and the libxbox.so symlink

2004-12-14 Thread David Pye
ne made it out wrong. I knew some one would spot it, nonetheless ;) > > * Package name: libxbox-dev > > Version : 0.1.0 > > Upstream Author : David Pye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * URL : http://www.xbox-linux.org > > * License : GP

Re: Bug#285681: ITP: libxbox-dev -- Libxbox-dev provides the headers for libxbox0 and the libxbox.so symlink

2004-12-14 Thread David Pye
ltiple binary packages it would spawn. D'oh. Sorry, I'll close this spurious ITP. David -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s-: a-- C++ UL P L+++ E--- W++ N+ o+ K- w--- O M V- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP t 5- X+ R- tv+ b+ DI++ D+ G+ e++ h--- r++ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--

software raid question/confusion

2004-12-15 Thread David Dougall
lling mdadm-raid. Please advise. --David Dougall

Re: software raid question/confusion

2004-12-15 Thread David Dougall
n.conf file, it will not start the raids. Will this file get replaced during an upgrade? If I symlink it to /dev/null or something ugly like that, will it work? Thanks --David Dougall On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Jose Luis Painceira wrote: > David Dougall wrote: > > > I installed the mdadm

Re: OSPF and distance vector routing source code

2004-12-17 Thread David Pashley
On Dec 17, 2004 at 09:44, j.s.dhilip praised the llamas by saying: >hello, > Would you please told me how can I get source code for OSPF? > Makes a nice change from dualling banjos. -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread David Balažic
uot;banned" ? What is the difference between LAME MPEG code and other MPEG code ? Regards, David Balažic

Re: Bug#293055: ITP: rails -- MCV ruby based framework geared for web application development

2005-02-01 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:52:01PM -0600, Adam Majer wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Package name: rails > Version : 0.9.5 > Upstream Author : David Heinemeier Hansson > * URL

Re: Bug#293055: ITP: rails -- MCV ruby based framework geared for web application development

2005-02-01 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 12:32:31PM -0600, Adam Majer wrote: > David Nusinow wrote: > > >I worked on a package for this throughout the weekend, and while it's not > >done > >I've made some considerable progress on it. If you'd like help or a > >coma

Bad Sig (was: Re: Diversion of APT tools by dpkg-cross (apt-get,apt-cache,apt-config))

2005-02-02 Thread David Schmitt
gt; Can anybody confirm so I can stop worrying about my set up? Me too, but I noticed an escaped >From in the message and didn't investigate further. Regards, David # -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#293561: ITP: player -- music player and organizer for GNOME

2005-02-04 Thread David Pashley
ploaded.) > > Please use a less generic name. "player" alone means very little and > is likely to cause confusion. > Also, what advantages does player have over muine or rhythmbox? The UI looks identical to rhythmbox, but without some useful features, like being able to out

Re: [Ipw2100-devel] debian, ipw2200 and wlan0

2005-02-07 Thread David Goodenough
Using ifconfig or iwconfig or other tools to do it is a better way. ifrename can of course be used to rename an interface, and it is also worth noting that MadWifi uses ath%d, and the RealTech driver uses ra%d. Obviously neither of these are bland as eth0 (which maybe implies wired), but wlan%

Re: Bug#294209: ITP: reminiscence -- REminiscence is a rewrite of the engine used in the game Flashback from Delphine Software

2005-02-08 Thread David Pashley
tware's FlashBack engine > REminiscence is an engine capable of runing any game based on the > FlashBackengine. > . > To actually make use of ScummVM, you currently need to get the orginal > FlashBack game data-files > Did you mean ScummVM there? -- David Pa

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread David Mandelberg
GOMBAS Gabor wrote: > ... which would mean that it would become unaccessible (and thus > meaningless) as the real /var gets mounted later in the boot process. > You cannot reliably put it under a directory that is not guaranteed to > be on the root file system; that leaves roughly /, /etc, /bin, /l

Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread David Mandelberg
Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, David Mandelberg wrote: >>TMPDEV="`mktemp -d /tmp/devXX || { mkdir /.dev; echo -n /.dev; }`" >>mount -o bind /dev $TMPDEV >>mount -t tmpfs none /dev >>mkdir /dev/orig >>mount -o bind $TMPDEV /dev/orig >&g

Re: /etc under svk

2005-02-11 Thread David Schmitt
scription: Debian Hints for fortune This package provides a set of hints and tips on using Debian, in a fortune database format. New Debian users (or administrators) may find its advice particularly sage or helpful, and even veteren Debianites might find some new tidbits. Regards, David -- To U

Re: runlevel and sequence point for gfs cluster infrastructure

2005-02-13 Thread David Schmitt
CMCIA NICs are irrelevant for GFS Clusters, the main question is whether you need GFS for mounting /usr. If you do, the node will be unusable anyways, if you don't GFS can be started late. Other services depending on CMS and GFS have to be brought online later anyways. Regards, David PS: h

Bug#295171: ITP: libformatr-ruby -- perl-like formats for ruby

2005-02-13 Thread David Nusinow
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libformatr-ruby Version : 1.09 Upstream Author : Paul Rubel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://formatr.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL or Ruby's othe

Re: all new Debian diagram - now with less chaos!

2005-02-15 Thread David Schmitt
ught that required a re-upload? * "testing packages propagate to stable" is perhaps better called "release: testing becomes new-stable"? Regards, David

Re: Automatic building of (parts of) the archive

2005-02-25 Thread David Schmitt
the whole of debian regularily with pbuilder. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Re: splitting a source package into 2 source packages

2005-02-26 Thread David Schmitt
each it after NEW-processing, you can re-upload them to unstable without any delay. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir Ãber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-28 Thread David Schmitt
bytes. Of course, there are no html mails. > Though, even in my Evolution list archive, where there are many > more html-mails, the average size is only 6,097. I ran statistics on maildirs of the university (of arts) mailserver I administer: ~90k per mail. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie g

PROMPT RESPONSE NEEDED.

2005-03-04 Thread DR.MARK DAVID
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Key management using a USB key

2005-03-07 Thread David Härdeman
between systems where my userid might differ? o Other issues? It would be very interesting to hear how others manage this... Kind regards, David [1] http://bugs.debian.org/234134 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: UK Meetings

2005-03-08 Thread David Pashley
to join #debian-uk on OFTC too, which is where most of us hang out. > -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-08 Thread David Pashley
On Mar 08, 2005 at 14:58, Ben Hill praised the llamas by saying: > On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 00:46 +0100, David Härdeman wrote: > > first of all, this might be slightly off-topic for the debian-devel > > list, but I've got the impression that it's already been solved by some

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-08 Thread David Härdeman
which makes it hard to have "user-mounted-dm-crypt-over-loopback-device" goodness, and the patch attached to that bug seems to have bitrotted a bit. I'll get back to you when I have something real to show. Regards, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-08 Thread David Härdeman
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 07:29:20AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: On 07-Mar-05, 17:46 (CST), David H?rdeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: o Revocation certificates for the gpg keys, are there arguments for/against storing them on the usb key? While you might store the revocation certifica

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-09 Thread David Schmitt
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 01:42, David Härdeman wrote: > So the revocation could even be stored in cleartext on the usb key, > unless I'm mistaken? Depending on the strength of the crypto/passphrase protecting your key, this could lead at least to a DOS if the revocation is publici

Re: Cron-standard package to replace current tasks in 'cron'

2005-03-09 Thread David Schmitt
27;s user accounting (maybe using sac?) Why {c,sh}ouldn't they be implemented as cron.daily scripts in the respective packages? Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir Ãber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Re: Cron-standard package to replace current tasks in 'cron'

2005-03-09 Thread David Schmitt
[Please don't confuse my procmail with Cc's] [http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct] On Wednesday 09 March 2005 16:16, sean finney wrote: > On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 04:00:49PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > > Why {c,sh}ouldn't they be implemented as c

Re: Key management using a USB key

2005-03-09 Thread David Härdeman
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 12:46:46AM +0100, David Härdeman wrote: I've been meaning for some time to get a USB key to manage private keys (such as gpg, ssh, etc), but it's not until recently that I tried to sit down and sketch on how to implement it (filesystem layout, functionality, w

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
pping the chroot once a day automatically. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
act together. I don't believe that any (sane) maintainer would refuse FTBFS fixing patches (see hurd-i386 and k{net,free}-bsd stuff). These criterions are just a IMHO necessary step to put the load on those people who want to use the arch instead of those who maintain central infrastructur

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
On Monday 14 March 2005 12:21, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: [...] > but in fact this is already a decission being > made by just a handful of people without asking those who will be affected > by that decision. I always thought those who do the work, also get to make the decisions. Regar

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
problem. I think you have hit the point of this reorganisation head on: the people who did the work until now, feel that they cannot do the work with the expected quality _and_ the current number of arches. Thus they make the hard decision to put down hard, objective and verifyable rules where

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
list of release criteria well in advance of their estimated time of release." Which obviously happened now. Please point me to the posts, so I can add it to my page[2] Regards, David [0] And I should know, I maintain [2] [1] http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2005/release-strategy.html [2] http://

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
bian in a much worse state. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Nusinow
porting problems? What about the heavy burden on the security team? The problems extend beyond the mirrors and the buildds. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
an external pool of this arch is a good indicator that it should be a fully supported stable release (amongst other things). If on the other hand nobody can be found to recompile packages after DSAs are released for this arch, I believe the arch shouldn't be released for Debian as

Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
volume of uploaded packages" with N <= 2. The part about emptying once per day was only added by Andreas. Considering the effects of a twelve-day build of something big like KDE, GNOME or X: delays in security updates, shlib-deps, build-depends and testing migration, I can see the ro

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Nusinow
> out for discussion and feedback first. I disagree. I dislike the cabalistic feel of this whole thing, but it's a step forward that needs to be taken, and I don't think anything would have moved otherwise. I trust this group of people to know what they're doing, since

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
) and DFSG-ness (freely usable, unmodified Debian source). As far as I can see all current official Debian arches fulfill these criteria. For the in-development arches like k*bsd with a handful of developers and a extremly small userbase other solutions are already used. Regards, David -- - hallo...

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:37:36PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, David Nusinow wrote: > > > What about the *massive* issues with releasing d-i due to syncing on all > > arch's? > > Yeah, and *after* these were solved, it was "oops, we still can't

COUNT(buildd) IN (2,3) (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
problem is less in the development and more in the support of testing requirements (all arches in sync) and stable support (security response time). Therefore the N<=2 requirement is only needed for tier-1 arches but not for the tier-2 which will not officially release a stable. Regards, Dav

COUNT(buildd) IN (2,3) (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
who believe that a week delay for a security update is not acceptable. > Not when the alternate choice is to not have Debian support $ARCH at all. Please cite where this was proposed. I read the original Nybbles mail (and a part of the current thread) but couldn't find the "at all&qu

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Nusinow
other. Agreed on the archive space, but I don't know what to do about that. One thing that we've seen lots of is people happy and willing to donate buildd's for their pet arch. I'd imagine those could be converted to package pool space and such. The bandwidth issue I have no

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
of the infrastructure. Also any arch worth it salt should be able to easily collect 50 supporting users who send mail to $survey-address. No need for popcon either. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir Ãber ein septisc

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Nusinow
n in sync with FCC > changes sounds impossible under this scheme; I disagree. I think the tools are all there to do it. There's no magic to running Debian, it's just a lot of manpower and lot of scripts. > it will drive the SCC archs away from debian so that they > have some

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Nusinow
ifferent hosts for each SCC) part of the plan in the email? I don't think anyone wants to break alioth further. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Package flow scenarios (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
[Sven, pPlease teach you and your mutt the use of reply-to-list] On Monday 14 March 2005 14:06, Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 01:02:34PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: [...] > No, you didn't understand. You are right. > let's tell the plan again : > > 1)

Security Support and other reasoning (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
urity update is built _is_ a serious problem, for others shlib-skew and testing propagation are, others again need a working installer. Taken together these seem to make the difference between tier-1 and 2. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Mirror Network (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
space and bandwith problems for > mirrors without adverse effects to the project as such. And would break d-i, which currently provides a list of mirrors to choose from. Also notably, distribution on the main-mirror network is neither a requirement for nor a part of being in tier-1 Regards, Dav

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
ight Steves most important sentence: | This point is *not* about supported architectures, only about | architectures carried by the primary mirror network. And if s390 only needs 100 downloads per year, the don't need to be distributed on the mirrors, but can easily download from a central si

Supporting tier-2 (was Re: COUNT(buildd) IN (2,3))

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
On Monday 14 March 2005 17:39, Frank Küster wrote: > David Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > On Monday 14 March 2005 16:27, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > >> Not when the alternate choice is to not have Debian support $ARCH at > >> all. > > > > Pl

Call for help / release criteria (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
having to do overnighters or something if a build fails on a tier-2 arch. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15

Vision for the future (was: Re: COUNT(buildd) IN (2,3))

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
On Monday 14 March 2005 17:16, John Goerzen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 05:03:30PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > > Thus the problem is less in the development and more in the support of > > testing requirements (all arches in sync) and stable support (security > > resp

Re: Supporting tier-2 (was Re: COUNT(buildd) IN (2,3))

2005-03-14 Thread David Nusinow
n everyone benefits. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
On Monday 14 March 2005 12:45, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Op ma, 14-03-2005 te 12:38 +0100, schreef David Schmitt: > > On Monday 14 March 2005 11:28, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > > In this case, it was a bug that required human intervention, a package > > > upload tha

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Nusinow
a huge waste of manpower, done seven times in a row. Hopefully not that huge, as the tools have already been written. Perhaps there can be a single package pool for all SCC/Tier-2 arches so it only has to be done once. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a su

Re: Supporting tier-2 (was Re: COUNT(buildd) IN (2,3))

2005-03-14 Thread David Schmitt
On Monday 14 March 2005 19:18, David Nusinow wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 05:57:05PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > Reasonable security support requires some degree of cooperation with the > > current security team. Without that, vulnerabilities notifications won't >

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Nusinow
ready strained before Ubuntu existed. Our release team was struggling to get sarge out before Ubuntu existed. Our security team was already undermanned before Ubuntu existed. d-i was short on contributers and had a hard time releasing before Ubuntu existed. We have only ourselves to blame for where we

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David Nusinow
ced on the people doing the actual work. Are you paying attention to what the Release Managers, D-I Lead, and FTP Masters are saying? Or are you just assuming that they're out to get you? > And keeping IA64 in the loop is just another joke from the release > team. It'd be interes

Requireing 98% built sources (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Monday 14 March 2005 22:30, Bdale Garbee wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Schmitt) writes: > > On Monday 14 March 2005 11:10, Rene Engelhard wrote: > >> pcc is barely at 98%. I don't think that barrier should be that high. We > >> *should* at last release wi

Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1 (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
as 10% of downloads over a sampled set of mirrors " Elsewhere I believe Steve mentioned, that earlier versions had tier-1 == ftp.d.o, but that this was dropped (exactly because of arches like s390 who should be able to reach tier-1 easily, but really have no reason to be on the mirror ne

Security support on tier-2 (was: Re: COUNT(buildd) IN (2,3))

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
ng sparc in tier-1 without zero-day security updates would be no use to me, because I couldn't honestly say that "all tier-1 architectures are fit for production use and properly supported by Debian." I don't know what to do with tier-1.5 arch fulfilling everything except prom

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