Le Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 12:15:17PM +0100, Julien BLACHE a écrit :
> Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> He doesn't have to use unstable. He can use pinning for this specific
> package.
Sure, and he can also use dpkg -i. The question is: why should we ask
hi
n mips or mipsel until the buildd
problem is fixed? I would not expect this to impair the work of the MIPS
porters (CC'ed so that they can tell if I am wrong), while it would help
to propagate bugfixes from Sid to Lenny.
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Le Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 12:09:06PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt a écrit :
> Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Would it be possible to allow the migration in testing of the package
> > that are waiting for being build on mips or mipsel until the buildd
eel instulted if you think I insinuate
things, because I do not. English is not my mother tongue, so feel free
to ask me for correction when I am unclear.
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themselves, can you publish a timeline of your works and goals for the
MIPS infrastructure? It has been more than three months that the backlog
is there; this is more than half the time left before the freeze.
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lacing, "sarge", "etch" and "lenny" by "debian3.1", "debian4.0"
and "debian5.0" would solve the problem permanently :)
By the way, is it necessary that the NMUs would not simply increase the
version number just as regular maintainer uplads wo
Le Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:05:05PM -0400, Joe Smith a écrit :
> >On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Don Armstrong wrote:
> >>
> >>apt-get -o APT::Install-Suggests=true install foo; or similar.
> I will say the following. I fully agree that "--install-suggests" should
> exist, and should do the right thing.
H
task for the users of
the packages I mentioned earlier (med-bio, t-coffee, bioperl).
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Le Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 08:35:51AM -0700, Mike Bird a écrit :
>
> Debian is losing users and relevance.
This does not match the results of the "popcon" survey. It could be
that Debian would gain users slower than other distributions, but this
claim would need to be backed by a serious stu
at's directly suggested by "package".
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 02:21:52PM +0900, Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> was heard to say:
> > Do you think that there could be an option
> > that does the same except that the package would be flagged "auto
ckages by hand, but this requires skill.
- Using backports.org, but it is unofficial.
- Using Testing or Sid.
If Debian wants to issue stronger warnings for those using Testing on
the desktop, maybe mentionning that it is also a development tool and it
is not inteded for normal use would do th
the question, "Is Testing suitable for the
Desktop", will probably come by the next innovations to come from
Debian, be it the officialisation of backports, the adoption of Joey
Hess' CUT (Constantly Usable Testing) concept, and/or the
Stable-and-a-half releases.
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introduced by
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Le Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:02:07PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
>
> Yesterday Joerg told us to go ahead with the dpkg upload as he
> planned to fix dak in the evening. He did so but his patch is not yet
> applied live on ftp-master... we're waiting for a full ftpmaster to
> apply his patch.
>
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or a
Policy update?
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Should dpkg-dev conflict with devscripts < 2.10.25, then ? This would
not solve all problems, but at least some of them.
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time passed with no anwer, sticking to the rules might not help.
(alternatively, it could be that the rules need to define a
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to him ?
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Le Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 06:13:27PM +0100, Neil Williams a écrit :
> On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 22:39 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
> unmaintained? On what grounds? It's been three days since the severity
> was bumped.
Hi Neil,
I would rather say that the severity of the bug is
one optional and the others extra, which means potentially
difficult decisions.
Of course, an other possibility would be to suppress the extra priority
if nothing relies on it. As said above, using overrides this would not
make packages buggy.
Maybe the people using the 'extra' priority for so
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fix other bugs than the
ones of sbackup.
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Le Fri, May 16, 2008 at 01:22:12AM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs a écrit :
>
> The upstream situation is not as clear cut - I've been making every
> effort to a new and enthusiastic developer (Ouattara Oumar Aziz) take
> over the upstream development of SBackup peacefully.
> I am discussing the future o
, shipping them in /usr/share/doc/package/patches.
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Le Sat, May 17, 2008 at 11:36:00AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois a écrit :
> On 17/05/2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Other idea: when the package is produced through a workflow that uses
> > debian/patches, shipping them in /usr/share/doc/package/patches.
>
> Do
Le Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:25:19AM +0200, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo a écrit :
> sbackup has been merged and superseded by nssbackup, which is not yet
> in Debian. I will see if I can get a version properly suited to be
> packaged in Debian, and I will ask sbackup to be removed from archive.
Hi Jose,
lib_h.patch"
> ... time passes, new upstream release made...
> $ dch -a --closes 1234
>
> Simple.
I like it :)
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Le Mon, May 19, 2008 at 07:12:43AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
> Take a bug #111, severity:serious, affecting unstable,testing,stable.
> The maintainer fixes the bug in unstable using a Debian patch. Following
> your process, the bug is now downgraded to wishlist. Meaning that RC
> #111 bug in
to generate a new patch that is not a
contiguous extract of the original diff.gz. This is how I understand -
and agree with - the claim that patches are "hidden" in the diff.gz.
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Le Sun, May 25, 2008 at 08:18:01PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
> Basic Problem: "What to do with large data packages?"
>
> That already has a problem: How to define "large"? One way, which we
> chose for now, is simply "everything > 50MB".
(...)
> - It is an own archive, so it needs full sou
Le Mon, May 26, 2008 at 02:02:52AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
> On 11397 March 1977, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
> > I have a question about the sources: for big datasets, would it be
> > acceptable that the source package does not contain the data itself but
> > only
Le Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 02:31:22AM -0700, Mike Bird a écrit :
>
> (2) To a user who wishes to use a working feature of an imperfect
> package, Debian is better with the imperfect package than
> without: MISSING PACKAGE < IMPERFECT PACKAGE < PERFECT PACKAGE.
> This is true even if the
Hi all,
I tried to debckechout zlib and it failed:
anx159tmp$ debcheckout zlib
declared bzr repository at http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-zlib/zlib/debian
bzr branch http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-zlib/zlib/debian zlib ...
bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fullfil the request
checkout
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License : GPL-2+
Programming Lang: C
Descr
Le Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 06:01:22PM +0300, Guillem Jover a écrit :
> On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 14:32:00 +1000, Robert Collins wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 13:27 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > > I tried to debckechout zlib and it failed:
> > >
> > > anx159tmp$
ore triggers? Is
triggers a verb or a noun? What is the analogy between the triggers of
dpkg and those of databasees or firearms?
Maybe "Processing triggers" could be replaced by a 2-3 word summary of
what the trigger is really doing?
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>> Maybe "Processing triggers" could be replaced by a 2-3 word summary of
>> what the trigger is really doing?
> What about "Processing delayed configuration"?
Well, I was originally thinking about someting specific for each
trigger, but your proposition is probably sufficient and simpler to
impl
uld suppress the need for
maintaining two files in parallel in many cases.
Let's use standards when possible.
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where the source package is stored.
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Le Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 08:49:21AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > * “The meta-information would be stored in a set of RFC-2822 compliant
> > fields.”
> >
> > RFC-2822 distinguishes between “unstructured” a
must be escaped by following it by a space. The line that contains that space
is called a continuation line.
- Lines that are not continuation lines and do not start a new field are plain
comments.
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> [...]
>
> "patch" indeded is the standard way nowadays. See policy 4.9.
Unfortunately, it seems that with quilt, it is better ot use $(QUILT_STAMPFN)
in order to avoid a target to become phony. I do not know for other systems.
I just u
345
Note that for Sourceforge, it seems that more than one number is required. For
instance, for the bug 1215086, only the second of the below URLs work:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1215086
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1215086&group_id=133157&
e, how about sending them to the package's
ITP bug when available?
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Dear all,
15th of July is the traditional EMBOSS release (EMBOSS is a set of command line
tools for molecular biologists). Two satellite packages are already present in
Debian and here is the ITP for a third. Package structure is trivial
bugs is not
practicable, how about CCing an archived public mailing list? That is the core
of my suggestion: maye the rejection emails publically available in a central
place so that other developers can learn form them.
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catching at upload time.
Automatic rejection of packages with errors not justified by overrides is of
course a good idea, but can we get to a compromise where the maintainer is free
to take the responsibility to override errors?
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n archive contains 265 packages, some of them waiting for one month
or more. I disagree with their decision to self-appoint themselves with a new
duty while they are already lacking time for the current one they volunteered
for.
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which our current experience already expose a flaw: think about
changes in names of binary packages that trigger copyright checks by the FTP
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Le Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 01:14:16AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
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> * Charles Plessy wanted to specify more precisely the format instead
> of saying "RFC-2822 compliant fields". The discussion went nowhere
> and nobody else expressed support for such a change.
Hi Raphaë
e first line. A strictly RFC-2822 parser can not parse
Debian control files nor DEP 3 patch headers, as it will not preserve CRLF
characters.
What I am simply asking, is that if DEP 3 is not RFC-2822 compliant, it is not
written that it is RFC-2822 compliant.
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upgrades from Lenny?
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r’. If this format gets popular, a Lintian check will be trivial to
write, to ensure that contrib and non-free packages include the statement
recommended by the Policy.
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finding them is delegated to the menu system itself, be it in Debian or
FreeDesktop standard. I think that what you propose is more their task than the
one of the packaging system.
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choice on that type of machines.
This said, it only represents a small fraction of our user base…
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Build-Depends: debhelper ( >= 7 ), libfltk1.1-dev, libjpeg62-dev,
libpng1
.0 (quilt)’, it is not possible. Do you think it would be possible to
change this behavior or at least to disable the auto-patching facilities? It
would be of course easy to convert the patch, but I would really prefer to stay
as identical to upstream's materials as possible.
Have a nice sunday
places like the Ultimate
Debian Database and to keep the information up-to-date, which will be at best
limited to the packages relevant to our projects.
I am therefore seeking comments and insights to better manage our packages
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> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
About zip support:
> > But actually, among the programs that are not distributed upstream in a
> > tar.gz
> > format, we in the Debian Med team have as many z
brings some
improvements that are much welcome in addition to the patch management, that I
think goes in the wrong direction.
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accepts. (Hence the proposition to accept upstream ‘zip’ archives).
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re for which we would like to provide registration and
bibliographic information) are mostly stored in a Svn, that may not be a
blocker for making a poof of principle…
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$_ = strip_ts($_);
if ($_ eq '/dev/null' or s{^(\./)?[^/]+/}{$destdir/}) {
$fn2 = $_;
Why not just applying the patches and catch errors if there are, instead of
writing a new patch parser from scratch just to check that it looks like being
in the unified form
only reason it fails is that there is a political decision to reject
non-unified diffs.
I have moved the patches from debian/patches to debian/patch, which circumvents
the problem, since there is no will to compromise on either side.
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ht
am to the
package manintainers. Something with a motivation, a plan, some facts and some
volunteers to get things done.
I have reassigned the bug of my package to dpkg-dev. It is holiday season, so
let's wait for a while and see the answer of the dpkg developers.
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Package name: samtools
Version : 0.1.5c-1
Upstream Author : Heng Li, Bob Handsaker, Jue Ruan, Colin Hercus.
URL : http://samtools.sourceforge.net/
License : MIT and NetBSD
Programming Lang: C, Perl
perl -MYAML -e '$/=""; my($fields) = Load(); print
$fields->{'DOI'}' < samtools/debian/upstream-metadata.yaml
10.1093/bioinformatics/btp352
I am unsure if it is a good idea to manage multi-line upstream meta-data
anyway. Are there other opinions on this
Le Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:33:58AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit :
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
> > The dh_make template for debian/copyright induces many developers to put
> > their
> > packaging work under the GPL, and I have already seen packag
ecommend that the other
‘leaf’ teams to do the same. That is probably the most work-efficient for
everybody.
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added noise with a conversation
like ‘Are you sure you do your work correctly? Yes, I am sure, thank you’.
This would have saved us your digressions about lies and expulsions. Please
consider that this list is high traffic and try to limit your messages in
quantity.
It may even help you to have a n
Le Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:58:04AM -0400, Jonathan Yu a écrit :
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Charles Plessy wrote:
> >
> > we just had a case in the Debian Med packaging team where the upstream
> > author
> > of software licensed under terms similar to the B
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; let's all
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Le Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 08:06:09PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:56:58AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > as per Policy § 10.2, I would like to know if everybody agrees if I change
> > the
> > libbam-dev package to compile libbam.a with -
Le Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 01:23:39AM +0100, Stephen Gran a écrit :
> This one time, at band camp, Charles Plessy said:
> > Le Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 08:06:09PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:56:58AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > > >
Le Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 11:21:37AM +0200, Vincent Danjean a écrit :
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le mardi 01 septembre 2009 à 09:49 +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> >> I started to write a message about to ask upstream why they do not make a
> >> shared version
t to Debian, it is for sure
a good thing, but in the case when the package maintainer sits on the
translations, like for sbackup, this is clearly a problem.
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Nevertheless, I am much in favor of enhancements DEP 5 that allow a relaxed
syntax. I am actually working other changes that follow this goal
(http://git.debian.org/?p=users/plessy/license-summary.git), and would be very
interested to see the patch you proposed to write.
Have a nice day,
ince I am subscribed to -devel with the digest option, I will patiently
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helped to re-gain the momentum that led this bug to be closed.
So from the point of view of this experience, I definitely support the idea of
having a mechanism to contact all the contributors to a bug, although I am
unsure if it would be a good default.
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EP repo, to all Alioth guests as
well. Everybody is welcome to contribute! Everybody is also welcome to add
their name to the Drivers field if they see themselves as drivers, in the
spirit of DEP 0.
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work behind the scene to
address that issue in a way that fits their function (display, statistics,
checking, …)
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at.
Maybe the problem could simply solved by renaming one of the two concepts?
Native format could be called ‘direct’, or native packages could be called
’original’, for instance. This would help the Project to keep track of what
programs it is upstream for.
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is that I am editing a
documentation that mentions the automatic WNPP closings, and I wonder if I
should delete this part or not.
(CC to -devel as it may be of general interest.)
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> Maybe that's something that could be taken on board by dpkg
> maintainers?
Hi Javier,
it is an interesting idea to define a set of criteria that data package must
follow, but I think it will be much easier for everybody to have this enforced
by a policy rather than by tools.
Have a nice day,
y packages build in a controlled environment
http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2009/msg00010.html
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debian/rules.
I was just wondering if other people were using something similar and if there
would be ground for standardisation.
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Charles Plessy
Package name: bwa
Version : 0.5.3
Upstream Author : Heng Li and others, see:
http://bio-bwa.sourceforge.net/bwa.shtml
URL : http://bio-bwa.sourceforge.net
License : GPL
Programming Lang: C
ult in source packages that are different from standard builds with no
options. In the case I presented here, the goal is to help the maintainer to
make tests that are not possible on our build network.
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including extension in program names
upstream, but in my opinion removing them before upstream creates more
problems than it solves…
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Le Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 01:12:14PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
> On Mon, Sep 28 2009, Paul Wise wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Charles Plessy wrote:
> >
> >> in my first experimentations I used DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, but this leads
> >> to t
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