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> Ben Hutchings writes:
> > On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 12:03 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> >> The primary problem with using OpenSSL with OpenLDAP is NSS and PAM
> >> modules, which pull the libraries into just
hould be supported in kernels 2.6.26 and higher, but the 2.6.32
> kernel fails a config check ("Cgroup memory controller").
[...]
See bug #534964.
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"ipv6
This bug affects support for Internet Protocol version 6."
This is *not* the same as the release goal, which is about fixing
networking programs that don't support IPv6 at all. Many of these bugs
should not be release-critical.
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ver or filesystem, which is easier to maintain out-of-tree) should be
treated as a short-term experiment, to be merged upstream or abandoned.
It should never be included in a stable distribution.
[1] Not right now but after squeeze.
[2] Mostly successfully.
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hat no-one has the
time and knowledge to fix. I believe squeeze will be better due to the
common base kernel version and some support from upstream Xen developers
(particularly Ian Campbell), but it will still lack the wide support
that KVM gets as a project that has been merged into the kern
r, can be resolved, whereas the
> RFC tells us "They [labels] must start with a letter, end with a
> letter or digit [...]".
[...]
It is not ignored; the standard was updated by RFC 1123 (STD 3).
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On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 00:39 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:35:33PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote:
[...]
> > But I'm not aware of a git tree holding the debian kernels - SVN is
> > still listed as the VCS for the linux-2.6 package (which, BTW,
> >
ecause they depend
on out-of-tree kernel drivers that conflict with the in-tree drivers.
Any solution should avoid conflating 'works with this device' and
'recommended on systems with this device'.
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e best. Also there are libraries like liboil that implement
various common functions that can benefit from SIMD extensions and that
automatically select the right version at run-time. Perhaps this
package can use that?
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not freebsd, don't we?
>
> We are discussing this for Debian first, which hopefully will ship with
> the possibility to use a FreeBSD kernel.
Then the Debian FreeBSD maintainers should fix this in their kernel.
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questions when it installs build-dependencies. This also applies
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For future reference, the primary list for kernel-related questions is
normally debian-ker...@lists.debian.org.
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#x27; normally
means the value that will be used unless the application overrides it.
Linux provides many options to deviate from POSIX-conformance, and there
are sometimes good reasons to use them (for example the relatime mount
option), but we should be wary of doing so.
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commonly use the architecture names 'i586' or 'i686'.
There are a few packages that are named using the suffix '-686' or
'-i686', and their descriptions explain what this means:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.32-4-686
http://packages.debian.o
am not on the mailing list, so please remember to cc me. Thanks.
>
> What would you suggest for a package's architecture for a 32-bit
> platform that supports SSE2, like the Pentium 4?
It must be 'i386'.
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says GPLv2 or later.
[...]
COPYING contains the standard preamble and the recommendation to licence
your software under 'GPLv2 or later', but these are not the licence. The
work itself (the source code) specifies v2, and no amount of wishful
thinking is going to change this
users/geissert/dash.git;a=summary
Why aren't you talking to ftp-master about this, or using the
alternative suggested in <http://bugs.debian.org/575361#10>?
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patch chromium to work with the system ffmpeg headers. As an example, see
what I do in dvswitch to work with different ffmpeg versions:
http://git.debian.org/?p=dvswitch/dvswitch.git;a=blob;f=src/avcodec_wrap.h;hb=master
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or
> similar
> tools, were overridden by the default values from dpkg again as they were
> still
> present in the environment?
[...]
Environment variables do not override variable definitions in a makefile.
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On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 19:33 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/29/2010 03:28 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 21:14 +0200, Felix Geyer wrote:
> >> clamz [1] has been rejected from Debian NEW [2] some time ago.
> >> The FTP assistent that proce
ian kernel team does not make such changes without upstream
acceptance. I suggest you don't waste your time trying to do that.
> Can anyone see any downside?
Aside from a surprising change that will lead to security holes, no,
none at all.
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On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 14:00 +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Jun 2010, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 13:39 +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote:
> > > On 07/06/2010 17:37, Stephen Powell wrote:
> > > > But for a kernel install or reconfigure
to create their device nodes statically.
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e to specify the kernel driver(s)
and for the package manager to look at which drivers have been loaded
and bound to devices.
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#x27;m not that involved in
initramfs-tools development.
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particularly interested to hear whether there are any upgrade issues
I have not addressed.
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On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 22:19 +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 03:02:35AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > 1. Packages for boot loaders that need to be updated whenever the files
> > they load are modified (i.e. those that store a block list) must install
> >
Please reply to debian-kernel only.
On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 11:16 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:02:35 -0400 (EDT), Ben Hutchings wrote:
[...]
> > The environment variable DEB_MAINT_PARAMS will contain
> > the arguments given to the kernel maintainer script
On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 18:45 +0200, maximilian attems wrote:
[...]
> please get your facts right before spamming the world.
Max, this is rude and unjustified.
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Antti, if you insist on packaging this, please ensure that it does:
echo 64 > /proc/sys/kernel/tainted
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atcher by writing to a control pipe included
in the select().
Anyway, you are asking on the wrong list. This is about development of
the Debian system, not development of programs using Debian.
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intel driver supports both KMS and UMS.
Not any more.
> I see no reason why the nouveau
> people should decide to RAM KMS down our throats, whether we want it or not.
Because UMS is a nasty hack that makes various features impossible, and
it is too much work to maintain both models.
> And with
em that you're trying to solve?
[...]
I would think almost all init scripts depend on /dev and /proc! Certainly
start-stop-daemon uses them. But only init scripts in rcS.d need to
explicitly depend on these, and they should presumably depend on
$mountkernfs (if not on $local_fs).
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currently a kernel update can easily leave the system unbootable and
this did need to be addressed before release.
A later version of this policy may also cover FreeBSD and GNU Mach
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> Pre-Depends would be necessary anywhere. Care to explain?
The postinst for nvidia-kernel-dkms invokes dkms, which invokes
lsb_release. lsb_release hasn't been configured at this point so its
module has not been installed for the default Python version. But I
agree that t
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 17:03 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
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> > The postinst for nvidia-kernel-dkms invokes dkms, which invokes
> > lsb_release. lsb_release hasn't been configured at this point so its
> > module has not been instal
't any further output.
>
> When I ran kvm with a 2.6.32-4-amd64 kernel everything worked correctly.
>
> I'm not sure whether this is a bug in the kernel or kvm - maybe bugs in both.
>
> Any suggestions for what I should do to debug this?
You know we have a BTS, righ
of it) than SUSE, Red Hat, Ubuntu or even proprietary
> Unices.
I would say we are even more careful about licence issues than the
commercial distributions.
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) IMHO reportbug-ng should be installed by the default
> desktop task.
Yes, if it supports bug scripts properly now.
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> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 23:50:36 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 15:06 -0400, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > [...]
> > > and b.) IMHO reportbug-ng should be installed by the default
> > > desktop task.
> >
&g
versions of arch:all packages that for
some reason have not been automatically removed. I think you should
consider only the latest version of each binary package available in the
suite.
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On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 09:27 +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> Hi!
>
> * Ben Hutchings [100804 04:42]:
>
> > > http://edos.debian.net/edos-debcheck/results/unstable/latest/every/list.php
> > I think some of these are old versions of arch:all packages that f
is information belongs in the release notes. I'm not sure where one
should look to see the draft release notes for the next release.
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On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 21:01 -0400, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Ben Hutchings (09/08/2010):
> > This information belongs in the release notes. I'm not sure where
> > one should look to see the draft release notes for the next release.
>
> Sounds like it?
> http://ww
documents could give you document titles. Then you only need to worry
> > about the minority of cases where autodetection fails.
> >
>
> PDFs have titles too, and they can't be snarfed in any way I know of.
[...]
pdfinfo from poppler-utils can show the title.
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t passing
> arguments to its scripts:
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It does; use the --arg option.
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>
> Being unable to represent that in a sane way, I skipped that field, which
> already made one person waste his time (sorry, adsb!) reading an
> unstructured diff.
There is a convention for git of adding the branch name as a fragment
identifier, e.g.:
and/or intermittent bugs.
[...]
This is nonsense. What the application authors need in this case is
logging, and writing to stderr is not logging (modulo use of e.g.
systemd to capture stderr). They need to open an application- and
user-specific log file and write to that instead.
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pge", "mca", "cmov",
"pat", "pse36", "pn", "clflush", "20", "dts", "acpi", "mmx",
"fxsr", "sse", "sse2", "ss", "ht", "tm", "ia64", "pbe"
Use nested subdirectories to specify multiple flags. The library in the
most specific directory (i.e. the one which selects the most flags, all
satisfied by the current hardware) will be used.
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On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 01:52 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Ben Hutchings, le Wed 18 Aug 2010 00:07:58 +0100, a écrit :
> > The dynamic linker does the run-time selection for you. All you need to
> > do is to install the optimised libraries in subdirectories that specify
> &
a file with the
> ?format=raw
Something like:
opts=filenamemangle=s/\?format=raw$// \
http://www.foo.com/ihave/files/here/foo-(.*)\.tar\.gz\?format=raw
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Please stop filing ITPs and concentrate on packages that should be
included in squeeze. The sooner squeeze is out, the sooner you can add
stuff to the next release.
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I'm not involved in the release team so I don't feel qualified to make
such a claim.
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when they were (still are?) the largest one.
[...]
In this regard, I don't believe it is being treated specially. I expect
the DDPO maintainers would be happy to add links to other distributions'
bug trackers if they have per-package information. My understanding is
that Ubuntu is the only
bian-mentors list:
<http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/>
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> correct as possible.
The Debian Linux kernel package is already free, according to the DFSG.
There is no need for a seperate package.
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ental Release file
16:25 < mhy> so you'll get the whole of experimental if you apt-get
upgrade; we're fixing it now
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t;
> now it seems to work. I added the following line in
> /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server:
>
> ### BEGIN INIT INFO
> ...
> # Should-Start: bind9
> ...
> ### END INIT INFO
Clearly any installed name server should be started before
nfs-kernel-server, but that might not be bin
On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 04:15 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * Ben Hutchings schrieb:
>
> > Clearly any installed name server should be started before
> > nfs-kernel-server, but that might not be bind9. I don't know how and
> > where the dependency should be specifi
of the post-2.6.32
enhancements for domU in the default kernel images for squeeze.
> In generic kernel, we can build in pv_ops support. If users want to
> use Xen, just install xen core and configure GRUB， then they can run
> Xen Dom0.
That's the plan.
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>
> > This package contains Realtek 802.11 Linux wireless driver
> > for use with Realtek RTL8192CE-based hardware.
>
> Why is that driver not in the standard kernel package?
Because it's not upstream. So the next question is, why is it not
upstream (in staging)
On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 04:02 +0800, Keng-Yu Lin wrote:
> 2010/11/5 Ben Hutchings :
[...]
> > Because it's not upstream. So the next question is, why is it not
> > upstream (in staging)?
> >
> > Ben.
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or the user.
Don't even think of doing this in a package uploaded to Debian.
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nt thanks to cdn.debian.net,
though that is not yet an official service)
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This is a bit like saying 'IPv6 is the current version, we need to change
packages to use that instead of IPv4'.
If CELT 0.9 is significantly better then the SPICE protocol should be
updated to support it as an alternative. But since 0.5 is now specified
in that protocol then SPICE clie
T version (below 1.0) to be widely
> installed anywhere.
[...]
This sounds like a sensible solution so long as there is only one SPICE
implementation in Debian.
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and the corresponding modules.
It is highly recommended to abort the kernel removal unless you are
prepared to fix the system after removal.
"""
and your script naturally sets DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, so
debconf takes the default answer (abort removal).
The other packages all
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Ben Hutchings
* Package name: ministat
Version : 2007-12-20
Upstream Author : Poul-Henning Kamp
* URL : http://www.freebsd.org/
* License : BSD / Beer-Ware License
Programming Lang: C
Description : A small tool
s".
>
> The other network-applet that one can add to the panel shows the correct
> connection status (online) and the connection name eth0.
How is eth0 configured in /etc/network/interfaces? Network Manager does
not (and should not) attempt to use interfaces that have a specific
confi
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Ben Hutchings
* Package name: debian-kernel-handbook
Version : 1.0.9
Upstream Author : Debian Kernel Handbook Project
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* URL : http://kernel
stead of a tarball? See
<http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0#Howtousemultipleupstreamtarballin3.0.28quilt.29format.3F>
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s, including many
security vulnerabilities. You should upgrade it to the current
version (2.6.32-29 or backported equivalent) before doing anything
else. Then if you can still see this problem, report a bug against
the kernel package (linux-image-whatever).
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ay to collect these data?
Don't try to list the hardware every 5 minutes! The rest should be
fairly cheap to scan.
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m looking for the "proper" way to
> apply a patch to that file.
[...]
This is not a good idea. What happens if the patch fails? What if two
packages try to patch pbuilder?
If you cannot accomplish what you want using an existing hook then
perhaps you should ask the pbuilder mainta
owner, permissions etc.)
> >
> > Just thought I'd share this little nugget to show you how much worse
> > non-posix has it.
>
> You're kidding me. Got any source to back this up?
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=172190
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ule that is currently loaded. This means that
firmware-linux-nonfree is unlikely to be installed if not needed. If
you were to add in some of the other firmware packages (-atheros, -bnx2,
-iwlwifi, -ralink, -realtek) you would see an even larger fraction.
This is unfortunate but not hugely surprisi
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> > This means that firmware-linux-nonfree is unlikely to be installed if not
> > needed. If you were to add in some of the other firmware packages
> > (-atheros, -bn
> Some options: an optional control field in binary packages or, perhaps better,
> a debtags facet.
The script used to generate control information for firmware packages
already lists each firmware blob in the package description. In fact
those descriptions are almost pure apt-cache-SEO.
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eam and knowledge of upstream practices.
>
> I try very hard to make my bug reports simple, clear, and well-defined
> (often with testcases) to make it easier for them to be forwarded and
> fixed,
[...]
In that sort of case, yes, it is hard to see a justification for a
maintainer req
> then subscribe the user to the relevant bug by email or some other
> similar communication mechanism.
>
> Which upstream bug trackers, if any, would make the above not work?
[...]
Bugzilla requires that each subscribed email address has an account.
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[...]
The bts-link system takes care of polling for upstream bug status
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al* priority debconf question is not enough control
for you?
> (2) KDE4 is not an upgrade from KDE3. It is despicable to
> push KDE4 onto KDE3 users. The correct upgrade path is
> Trinity.
[...]
Strange, I can't find your ITP for Trinity.
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d some years ago (RHL 7.3 / RHEL 2.1). I don't think it was
included in any Debian release, but you might be able to install it
from an RPM using 'alien'.
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On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:43:27PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Montag, 17. Januar 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > This library file was part of the unofficial 'gcc 2.96' which Red Hat
> > released some years ago (RHL 7.3 / RHEL 2.1). I don't thi
e firmware
> deb.
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Of course it doesn't, because that would violate policy.
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date-initramfs hook get the kernel name from?
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same file. The dpkg lock is universally used so that
> works (too well). A change to per file locks would need some carefull
> coordination.
No, all of these tools use the APT libraries and locking is handled
there.
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ou can
already upload without those, which I always do for linux-2.6.
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Ben Hutchings
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not possible. More over you need to have
> a full gcc suite on all servers where you have custom modules. That is
> not acceptable.
[...]
This is not true. You can use 'dkms mkdeb' to build module packages
elsewhere.
Ben.
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Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 00:44 +0100, Iustin Pop wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 02:43:23PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:19:37PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
[...]
> > > With m-a it was and is possible to create nice debian packages for
> > >
file is pointless, since
they are cleared by write() (this is a good thing!).
safe_close() doesn't actually close the file or free the 'context' if
fsync() fails. This is inconsistent with close().
Ben.
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Ben Hutchings
We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit
This list is for Debian developers, not for developers who happen to use
Debian.
Basic questions, such as how to log in as root, should be addressed to
the debian-user list or to the http://ask.debian.net web site.
Ben.
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Ben Hutchings
Once a job is fouled up, anything done to improve it
ion for this is 'service' - but it doesn't appear that
> > service has support for enable/disable yet :(
>
> Do other distro's use service for this?
> What's the reason update-rc.d is limited to maintainer scripts?
No, they use chkconfig.
Ben.
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