exFAT fuse driver and the patent situation

2011-12-30 Thread Sven Hoexter
Hi, (if unsure please CC me on replies, I'm not subscribed to -legal) due to demand by a coworker I've taken #625611 and started to prepare a package for the exFAT fuse driver and the utils package. Currently I hesitate to upload it and place the package on Debian infrastructure (as in moving it

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Enrico Weigelt, 2011-12-30 06:21+0100: > Which packages ship files in /var ? Many install directories there. And one of my packages, dokuwiki, also installs files under /var/lib/dokuwiki/lib/{plugins,tpl}. These files define the default set of bundled plugins and templates, and I install them ther

Migrating (finally?) from Tcl/Tk 8.4 to something newer.

2011-12-30 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hello, Currently in unstable there are around 30 packages which depend on Tcl/Tk 8.4, which is quite old itself despite the fact that updates are still released for it. Tcl/Tk 8.5 is available for more than 4 years, Tcl/Tk 8.6 is coming soon, so I think it may be the time to deprecate Tcl/Tk 8.4 f

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 05:36:40PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: top-level directories would look after a move from / to /usr. Also, the FHS says nothing about the current approach of overriding files in /usr with files in /etc, which allows packages to stop shipping configuration files in /etc th

Re: Migrating (finally?) from Tcl/Tk 8.4 to something newer.

2011-12-30 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hello, On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:43:29 +0300 Andrew Shadura wrote: > So I'd like the maintainers of the packages which still depend on > Tcl/Tk 8.4 to update their packages to build against/use newer Tcl/Tk > versions. Also, I'd like to ask, that if possible, try to fix change the packages so they

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 30, Stephan Seitz wrote: > Every package which will accept a configuration file in /etc should > ship such a file in /etc, even if it contains only comments. In this This train has already passed and you lost it, sorry. > And where do you want to put the package information which are > cu

new in dd

2011-12-30 Thread vangelis
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Re: exFAT fuse driver and the patent situation

2011-12-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 30, Sven Hoexter wrote: > due to demand by a coworker I've taken #625611 and started to prepare > a package for the exFAT fuse driver and the utils package. Debian, as policy, ignores patents which are not being actively and widely enforced. So feel free to upload. -- ciao, Marco sign

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 30/12/11 12:48, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Dec 30, Stephan Seitz wrote: > >> > Every package which will accept a configuration file in /etc should >> > ship such a file in /etc, even if it contains only comments. In this > This train has already passed and you lost it, sorry. > I think that st

Re: iw: priority should be "optional"

2011-12-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 16:56 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > Package: iw > Version: 0.9.19-1 > Severity: important > Justification: policy §2.5 > > aircrack-ng depends on iw, but the former is optional and the latter of > priority "extra". Please bump up the priority of iw to optional to > match.

Re: exFAT fuse driver and the patent situation

2011-12-30 Thread Paul Wise
You may want to take a look at the Community Distribution Patent Policy FAQ, prepared for Debian by the SFLC: http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq IIRC the DPL is working on more patent related stuff too. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-de

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 30, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > I think that stephan is right here. Every package using files in /etc It DOES NOT MATTER who is right, some upstreams have decided otherwise. At least udev, systemd and next month module-init-tools do override the configuration files in /usr/lib/ wi

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 02:47:38PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Dec 30, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > > > I think that stephan is right here. Every package using files in /etc > It DOES NOT MATTER who is right, some upstreams have decided otherwise. > At least udev, systemd and next mont

Conffiles (was: from / to /usr/: a summary)

2011-12-30 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez, 2011-12-30 14:22+0100: > I think that stephan is right here. Every package using files in /etc > should ship this files in the package in order to let the admin know > what package each file belongs to. Its very ugly to do a "dpkg -S > /etc/xxx" and get a no path found.

Re: Conffiles (was: from / to /usr/: a summary)

2011-12-30 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 02:00:23PM +, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: > I think having the default configuration values written in a default > configuration file under /usr is better than having them harcoded, since > it makes it really easier to determine what these defaults are. It's problematic if the

Re: [pkg-wpa-devel] Bug#591102: iw: priority should be "optional"

2011-12-30 Thread Stefan Lippers-Hollmann
Hi On Friday 30 December 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 16:56 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > Package: iw > > Version: 0.9.19-1 > > Severity: important > > Justification: policy §2.5 > > > > aircrack-ng depends on iw, but the former is optional and the latter of > > priority

Re: [pkg-wpa-devel] Bug#591102: iw: priority should be "optional"

2011-12-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 15:16 +0100, Stefan Lippers-Hollmann wrote: > Hi > > On Friday 30 December 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 16:56 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > > Package: iw > > > Version: 0.9.19-1 > > > Severity: important > > > Justification: policy §2.5 > > > > >

Re: iw: priority should be "optional"

2011-12-30 Thread Josh Triplett
Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 16:56 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > Package: iw > > Version: 0.9.19-1 > > Severity: important > > Justification: policy §2.5 > > > > aircrack-ng depends on iw, but the former is optional and the latter of > > priority "extra". Please bump up the pr

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Josh Triplett
Stephan Seitz wrote: > Every package which will accept a configuration file in /etc should ship > such a file in /etc, even if it contains only comments. In this way, you > know the name(s) of the configuration file(s) and the subdirectory in > /etc where they belong. A de-facto standard has alrea

Re: iw: priority should be "optional"

2011-12-30 Thread Stefan Lippers-Hollmann
Hi On Friday 30 December 2011, Josh Triplett wrote: > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 16:56 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > > Package: iw > > > Version: 0.9.19-1 > > > Severity: important > > > Justification: policy §2.5 > > > > > > aircrack-ng depends on iw, but the former is op

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Josh Triplett, 2011-12-30 16:09+0100: > A de-facto standard has already emerged for how to ship the standard > configuration in /usr/lib and handle overrides, I do not think this is a de facto standard at all yet. What pieces of software use apply it? The length of that list should be compared to

Re: iw: priority should be "optional"

2011-12-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 06:56 -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 16:56 -0500, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > > > Package: iw > > > Version: 0.9.19-1 > > > Severity: important > > > Justification: policy §2.5 > > > > > > aircrack-ng depends on iw, but the former is

Re: Linux Mint 12 in Debian?

2011-12-30 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 00:09 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 19:56 +0100, Svante Signell a crit : > > As many people (including me) are very disappointed in gnome3, switching > > from a very configurable desktop environment in gnome2 to a almost not > > configurable tabl

Re: Linux Mint 12 in Debian?

2011-12-30 Thread Teus Benschop
On 12/30/2011 07:20 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > I'm very reluctant to upgrade to gnome3, I have it on one box, and > don't like it. I want workspaces related to different tasks, like > programming, web browsing, watching a video, listening to music, etc. > That could involve e.g. having terminals,

Re: Linux Mint 12 in Debian?

2011-12-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 30 décembre 2011 à 19:20 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit : > I'm very reluctant to upgrade to gnome3, I have it on one box, and > don't like it. I want workspaces related to different tasks, like > programming, web browsing, watching a video, listening to music, etc. > That could involve

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Josh Triplett
> Josh Triplett, 2011-12-30 16:09+0100: > > A de-facto standard has already emerged for how to ship the standard > > configuration in /usr/lib and handle overrides, > > I do not think this is a de facto standard at all yet. What pieces of > software use apply it? The length of that list should be

Evaristo

2011-12-30 Thread 810d4rk
Hi to all, is anyone interested in evaristo? Evaristo is an ERP solution written in Java (2 tier), though only available in Portuguese, since version 4 is fully internationalizable. It requires a PostgreSQL database in order to store the data. DGCI certification is required for the use in commerci

Re: Evaristo

2011-12-30 Thread 810d4rk
The free GPL licensed version could be included in the repos, what do you think? http://sourceforge.net/projects/evaristo/ On 31/12/2011, 810d4rk <810d...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi to all, is anyone interested in evaristo? > > Evaristo is an ERP solution written in Java (2 tier), though only > avail

Re: Evaristo

2011-12-30 Thread Dean Evans
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 00:51:18 + 810d4rk <810d...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi to all, is anyone interested in evaristo? > If you're interested in packaging evaristo for Debian you should have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian and file an ITP (Intent To Package) [0]. If you do

Re: Conffiles (was: from / to /usr/: a summary)

2011-12-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Tanguy Ortolo schrieb: > I think having the default configuration values written in a default > configuration file under /usr is better than having them harcoded, since > it makes it really easier to determine what these defaults are. But not > shipping the user configuration file, I do not kno

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez schrieb: > I think that stephan is right here. Every package using files in /etc > should ship this files in the package in order to let the admin know > what package each file belongs to. Its very ugly to do a "dpkg -S > /etc/xxx" and get a no path found. > > If som

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Tanguy Ortolo schrieb: > Enrico Weigelt, 2011-12-30 06:21+0100: > > Which packages ship files in /var ? > > Many install directories there. And one of my packages, dokuwiki, also > installs files under /var/lib/dokuwiki/lib/{plugins,tpl}. These files > define the default set of bundled plugins

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Adam Borowski schrieb: > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 02:47:38PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Dec 30, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > > > > > I think that stephan is right here. Every package using files in /etc > > It DOES NOT MATTER who is right, some upstreams have decided otherwise. >

Re: Conffiles (was: from / to /usr/: a summary)

2011-12-30 Thread Josh Triplett
Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Tanguy Ortolo schrieb: > > I think having the default configuration values written in a default > > configuration file under /usr is better than having them harcoded, since > > it makes it really easier to determine what these defaults are. But not > > shipping the user c

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Fernando Lemos
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Adam Borowski schrieb: >> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 02:47:38PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: >> > On Dec 30, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: >> > >> > > I think that stephan is right here. Every package using files in /etc >> > It DOES NOT

Re: Conffiles

2011-12-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Josh Triplett writes: > Enrico Weigelt wrote: >> I have a general objection against putting (default) configs outside >> /etc at all. The main problem is, on updates, defaults might silently >> change, without operators used to look at /etc and comparing current >> config with new defaults. > By

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Josh Triplett
Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Adam Borowski schrieb: > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 02:47:38PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > On Dec 30, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > > > > > > > I think that stephan is right here. Every package using files in /etc > > > It DOES NOT MATTER who is right, some up

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Fernando Lemos writes: > Enrico Weigelt wrote: >> ACK. Sometimes upstreams doing really stange things (maybe because they >> dont have any package management in mind), that should be fixed. If >> upstream doesnt do those fixes, distros have to catch in. Sometimes, I think Red Hat makes some of

Bug#653813: ITP: edgar -- The Legend of Edgar platform game

2011-12-30 Thread Joseph Nahmias
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joseph Nahmias * Package name: edgar Version : 0.94 Upstream Author : Richard Sweeney * URL : http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/p/legend-of-edgar.html * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: C Description : The Lege

Re: new in dd

2011-12-30 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:45 PM, vangelis wrote: > I want to join a group in wnpp list to test my self helping developing so i > can start slowly. > How can i do that? I'm not sure how to answer your question, but maybe one of these links helps: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ http://wnpp.deb

Re: Migrating (finally?) from Tcl/Tk 8.4 to something newer.

2011-12-30 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Andrew Shadura wrote: > Currently in unstable there are around 30 packages which depend on > Tcl/Tk 8.4, which is quite old itself despite the fact that updates are > still released for it. Tcl/Tk 8.5 is available for more than 4 years, > Tcl/Tk 8.6 is coming soon