Re: Non-free question regarding upstream releasing different binary-only tarballs for different architectures

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Meredith
On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 11:13 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:36 AM, Martin Meredith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Any thoughts? > > Not sure if dak/buildds can handle this, but what about multiple > source packages? > > Something like unrar-nonfree-64 producing rar binary

Re: Considerations for lilo removal

2008-06-17 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:55:49PM +0300, Riku Voipio wrote: > Having one well working tool is better than having multiple mediocre, > buggy tools to choose from. The problem is that we do not have one well working tool. Grub certainly does not qualify as such and there is no hope it ever will. S

Re: Bug#486425: ITP: bomstrip -- strip Byte-Order Marks from UTF-8 text files

2008-06-17 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:28:52PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > ma, 2008-06-16 kello 12:14 +0300, Peter Pentchev kirjoitti: > > Hm. Okay, so maybe the two command-line utilities and the collection > > might be separated. IMHO, the collection *is* still useful on its own :) > > If others share t

Re: Non-free question regarding upstream releasing different binary-only tarballs for different architectures

2008-06-17 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:36:55PM +0100, Martin Meredith wrote: > I'm also pretty sure that the licence doesn't let me do a > "tarball-in-tarball" thing (orig.tar.gz has to stay the same) I think you mean the following: | b. The RAR/WinRAR unregistered trial version may not be distributed |

Re: Non-free question regarding upstream releasing different binary-only tarballs for different architectures

2008-06-17 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 08:12:29AM +0100, Martin Meredith wrote: > Buildd's wouldn't have anything to do with it anyway, as it's not > auto-built. I found this in the copyright file of the rar package: | This package is Auto-Buildable Also the control file say the same. Please explain. Bastian

Re: Considerations for lilo removal

2008-06-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 17, Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frans Pop wrote: >> AFAIK grub (at least the default "legacy" version) also still has >> problems with / on XFS. That's the one other case where D-I >> automatically falls back to lilo. > I think you mean /boot on XFS. Having / as XFS seems to wo

Re: Considerations for lilo removal

2008-06-17 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Riku Voipio wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:12:53AM -0400, David Duggins wrote: I would also have to say that the Linux Community has always been about freedom and choice. Not everyone agrees[1] about the choice part. Having one well working tool is better than having multiple mediocre, bug

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Am Mo den 16. Jun 2008 um 6:25 schrieb Martin Pitt: > esound should *so much* die completely. It has very poor sound quality I cannot prove that. Its sound quality is much better than the one of ALSA direct. (Well esd on top of OSS. It is not th

Re: Bug#486425: ITP: bomstrip -- strip Byte-Order Marks from UTF-8 text files

2008-06-17 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2008-06-17 kello 10:41 +0300, Peter Pentchev kirjoitti: > As to the packaging, though, I wonder. The sed and awk implementations > of bomstrip have problems with files that do not end in a newline. > Thus, I would prefer to package either the Perl or the C implementation. > The C implementatio

Re: Non-free IETF RFC/I-Ds in,source packages

2008-06-17 Thread Simon Josefsson
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> This seems to imply that you no longer have a file named rfc3454.txt? You >> want to strip all the text out of that file except for the table, but >> leave the table in the tree still named rfc3454.txt. >> > This would imply unders

Re: Non-free question regarding upstream releasing different binary-only tarballs for different architectures

2008-06-17 Thread Thomas Viehmann
On 2008-06-17 09:12:29.00 Martin Meredith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Would an ftp-master be able to answer whether thats possible? (having 2 different source packages provide debs for the same source package, but different architectures) No, this does not work. Also, the proper fix (sort of ge

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi Klaus, Klaus Ethgen [2008-06-17 10:12 +0100]: > I cannot prove that. Its sound quality is much better than the one of > ALSA direct. (Well esd on top of OSS. It is not that good than with OSS > direct but it is ok.) Hm, that rather sounds like for your card the OSS driver is much better than t

Re: Considerations for lilo removal

2008-06-17 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 17, Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Frans Pop wrote: > >> AFAIK grub (at least the default "legacy" version) also still has > >> problems with / on XFS. That's the one other case where D-I > >> automatically falls back to lilo. > > I

Re: VLC 0.8.6a - Why hasn't the package been upgraded?

2008-06-17 Thread Björn Johansson
Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi, But here is your answer. On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 08:35:36PM +0200, Björn Johansson wrote: Greetings! I have a working install of Debian Etch over here and it's installed on an Powerbook G3 "Lombard" and the version of VLC which is part of Debian Etch is still vers

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Martin, Am Di den 17. Jun 2008 um 11:50 schrieb Martin Pitt: > Klaus Ethgen [2008-06-17 10:12 +0100]: > > I cannot prove that. Its sound quality is much better than the one of > > ALSA direct. (Well esd on top of OSS. It is not that good than wit

Re: Considerations for lilo removal

2008-06-17 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, Am Di den 17. Jun 2008 um 12:14 schrieb Peter Palfrader: > > >> AFAIK grub (at least the default "legacy" version) also still has > > >> problems with / on XFS. That's the one other case where D-I > > >> automatically falls back to lilo. >

Re: Considerations for lilo removal

2008-06-17 Thread William Pitcock
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 23:53 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > William Pitcock wrote: > > * Cope with the growing initramfs issue as best we can, e.g. by > > displaying a warning to the user that the kernel may not be bootable by > > lilo due to the 8MiB boundry in liloconfig. > > Having only a warning is

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Klaus Ethgen [2008-06-17 14:06 +0100]: > > The alternative to esound is not really ALSA, but rather pulseaudio. > > Is pulsaudio supported by applications like wine for example? Do > pulsaudio work on top of OSS? pulseaudio provides an esound ABI compatibility layer, thus it's a drop-in replaceme

Bug#486671: ITP: ntl -- C++ library for arbitrary precision integers, vectors, matrices, and polynomials

2008-06-17 Thread David Bremner
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: David Bremner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: ntl Version : 5.4.2 Upstream Author : Victor Shoup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.shoup.net/ntl * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : arbitrar

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Loïc Minier
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008, Martin Pitt wrote: > That's interesting indeed! So you avoid that by using an OSS driver > instead of the ALSA one? I can really not imagine how esound on top of > a broken ALSA driver would sound better than just using the ALSA > output directly? It might normalize which sa

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 17 juin 2008 à 14:06 +0100, Klaus Ethgen a écrit : > OSS: Works well. > OSS<-ESD: Works well too. > ALSA: The problems above. > ALSA<-ESD: I never really tested. Last time I checked, libesd-alsa0 was still completely unusable (well, except for some weird kind of sound-based torture). --

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread brian m. carlson
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:12:52AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Am Mo den 16. Jun 2008 um 6:25 schrieb Martin Pitt: very poor code quality That might be. But that's a problem of many gnome applications. To be quite honest, I've seen the code for esd, and it is terrible. In fact, worse than al

Re: Time to phase out net-tools?

2008-06-17 Thread Robert Edmonds
On 2008-06-13, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Martín Ferrari wrote: >> Both, I know that many people had written stuff on top of that output >> and interface. > > Including Debian. indeed, ifupdown being the most obvious impediment to making net-tools

Re: esound [was: Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?]

2008-06-17 Thread Sam Morris
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:44:23 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Last time I checked, libesd-alsa0 was still completely unusable (well, > except for some weird kind of sound-based torture). I regularly help users to find out why their sound has stopped working, and the cause is usually due to libes

Re: Time to phase out net-tools?

2008-06-17 Thread Luk Claes
Robert Edmonds wrote: > On 2008-06-13, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Martín Ferrari wrote: > rarp is obsolete. It's not, I do use it from time to time, do you have a replacement? Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Fwd: Hi, libphp-adodb is bugged in Debian Lenny

2008-06-17 Thread Walter Ferreira
-- Forwarded message -- From: Walter Ferreira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 2:01 PM Subject: Hi, libphp-adodb is bugged in Debian Lenny To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] With cacti soft this libs presents a bug, the cacti developers says fix this bug is work to package mainta

Re: Considerations for lilo removal

2008-06-17 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:19:03AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:57:32AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > We still very regularly get installation reports where people use lilo > > rather than grub, so it must still have a fairly significant user base. I > > would say that the

Re: Time to phase out net-tools?

2008-06-17 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 07:56:38PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > Robert Edmonds wrote: > > rarp is obsolete. > It's not, I do use it from time to time, do you have a replacement? bootp/dhcp. Bastian -- Change is the essential process of all existence. -- Spock, "Let That Be Your Las

Re: Hi, libphp-adodb is bugged in Debian Lenny

2008-06-17 Thread Cameron Dale
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Walter Ferreira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With cacti soft this libs presents a bug, the cacti developers says fix this > bug is work to package maintainner for each linux distribution [0]. [snip] > Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STATIC, expecting T_OLD_

Pre-Depends addition for debconf on package rar

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Meredith
As mrvn pointed out to me earlier, rar's licence should be displayed to the user before the package is installed. To this end, I plan to add a preinst script which displays the licence to the user, and lets them agree or disagree to the licence. As policy frowns on Pre-Depends, I thought I'd chec

Pre-Depends addition for debconf on package rar

2008-06-17 Thread Martin Meredith
As mrvn pointed out to me earlier, rar's licence should be displayed to the user before the package is installed. To this end, I plan to add a preinst script which displays the licence to the user, and lets them agree or disagree to the licence. As policy frowns on Pre-Depends, I thought I'd chec

Re: Time to phase out net-tools?

2008-06-17 Thread The Fungi
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 09:20:07PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > bootp/dhcp. Some old hardware needs rarp to netboot from firmware. Same argument can be made for mop as well... I own (and use) examples of both. -- { IRL(Jeremy_Stanley); PGP(9E8DFF2E4F5995F8FEADDC5829ABF7441FB84657); SMTP([EMAIL P

Re: Time to phase out net-tools?

2008-06-17 Thread jaromil
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 re all, right now a lot of people is relying on debian for server setups, very serious stuff :| if you think to replace something so crucial as a network based CLI tool and its output then please someone write a wrapper that emulates the old beh

Re: Pre-Depends addition for debconf on package rar

2008-06-17 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Martin Meredith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > As mrvn pointed out to me earlier, rar's licence should be displayed to > the user before the package is installed. > > To this end, I plan to add a preinst script which displays the licence > to the user, and lets them agree or disagree to the licenc

Re: Time to phase out net-tools?

2008-06-17 Thread Robert Edmonds
On 2008-06-17, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Edmonds wrote: >> rarp is obsolete. > It's not, I do use it from time to time, do you have a replacement? sorry, I mean rarp(1) is obsolete, according to its manpage: NOTE This program is obsolete. From version 2.3, the Linux ke