Re: Need for launchpad

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:34:33 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I can't agree. From the sound of this and other threads, there are >> a number of folks who are unlikely to be satisfied with any >> behavior on the part of the Ubun

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:27:31 -0800, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:26:25AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 11:35:24PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> > I believe Ubuntu fills an important gap in the Debian world and >> > as such >>

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:57:15 +0100, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hello, > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Bill Allombert wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 11:35:24PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> > I believe Ubuntu fills an important gap in the Debian world and >> > as such >> >> Ubuntu i

Re: For those who care about lesbians

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:40:41 +, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Andrew, do you understand just how inappropriate and offensive your > mail was? Nothing justifies abuse of our lists like that. d-d-a is > a widely-read list both inside and outside the project, and you have > done har

Re: For those who care about lesbians

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:44:06 +0100, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sunday 15 January 2006 00:47, Adam Heath wrote: >> In fact, both of the last 2 emails to d-d-a go against the AUP. >> Procedures should be started to punish the offenders. > They are of a completely different order. One

Re: For those who care about lesbians

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:51:03 +, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 08:40, Roger Leigh wrote: >>> Andrew, do you understand just how inappropriate and offensive >>> your mail was? Nothing justifies abuse of our lists like tha

Re: A standard location to find 'vmlinux' to use for oprofile

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:39:55 +0900, Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The remaining problem is that we don't really have a standard > location for 'vmlinux'. How about /boot/vmlinux-$version ? > It would be nice if it's possible to obtain the location information > somewhere, i

Re: For those who care about lesbians

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:19:37 -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> There was nothing offensive about Andrew's message. Since you do >> not offer any reasons for your melodramatic conclusion, I suspect >> that you are merely trolling. >> I *hope

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 02:26:36AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > That's kind of a strange position to take, isn't it? Does this mean > > that the many users who use Debian directly sheerly on technical > > excellence alone, without sharing Debian's "founding values", are > > not part of the

Re: Anthony Towns: What I did today

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 08:34:20PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > On Saturday, 14 Jan 2006, you wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 04:22:50PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > > > On Friday, 13 Jan 2006, you wrote: > > > > Things I did today: > > > > 2. Removed the empty Super

Re: For those who care about lesbians

On Sunday 15 January 2006 09:33, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:40:41 +, Roger Leigh said: > > Andrew, do you understand just how inappropriate and offensive your > > mail was? Nothing justifies abuse of our lists like that. d-d-a is > > a widely-read list both inside and ou

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:05:11PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 12:59:23AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 09:42:22AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > > > Um, I have said nothing against crediti

Re: Anthony Towns: What I did today

* Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060115 10:00]: > If you remove cruft from one of your packages, do you start notifying > developers on d-d-a? In case of the developers reference, I did. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > It's also about false statements like "We sync our packages to Debian > regularly," because that simply doesn't happen for quite a lot of us, > otherwise all these heated discussions wouldn't happen. They have their own timeta

Re: Anthony Towns: What I did today

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 10:20:33AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060115 10:00]: > > If you remove cruft from one of your packages, do you start notifying > > developers on d-d-a? > > In case of the developers reference, I did. That's a bit of a special case,

Re: For those who care about lesbians

Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:19:37 -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Er, I thought it was offensive because it was sexist, not because >> there's anything wrong with being lesbian. > Umm, the fact that the phrase "You like looking a

Re: Preparing the m68k port for the future.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:35:58PM +0100, Daniel Widenfalk wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 03:24:42AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > >>On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 06:04:00PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >> > >>The fact you don't have anyone able to make a working cross-

Re: Need for launchpad

Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label > which is the Debian maintainer and which is the Ubuntu maintainer. Thing is, in ubuntu - we don't neccesarily have "maintainers" for packages. We use a collaborative process - anyone who had access can modif

Re: A standard location to find 'vmlinux' to use for oprofile

On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 02:47 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:39:55 +0900, Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > The remaining problem is that we don't really have a standard > > location for 'vmlinux'. > > How about /boot/vmlinux-$version ? This feels lik

Andrew Suffield

Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you think it achieves anything? There are other DDs who are also involved in intense debates and flamewars very often, but you're the only one where I constantly get the impression that you're just being childish, insulting and annoying for the

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

On Sunday 15 January 2006 10:27, Sami Haahtinen wrote: > What do you want? Bugs filed in Debian's bts, with the patches attached and the rationale why this patch is done. Just like many DD work with upstream, by pushing non-Debian changes back actively, and not just saying 'all are changes are

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

> You do realize that your work is out there for anyone to take and to > modify. I agree that for the modified packages it should be more clear > that the package has been modified by ubuntu and the maintainer or some And why isn't this done? It's so simple to do. I would prefer to know about MY

Re: For those who care about lesbians

On Saturday 14 January 2006 18:16, Mike Bird wrote: > There was nothing offensive about Andrew's message. Context. This debate is not at all about the content of Andrew's message. Somebody tried to increase the cooperation between Debian and Ubunut in a well-meant effort (personally, while I

Re: For those who care about lesbians

On Sunday 15 January 2006 09:31, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:44:06 +0100, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Sunday 15 January 2006 00:47, Adam Heath wrote: > >> In fact, both of the last 2 emails to d-d-a go against the AUP. > >> Procedures should be started to punish

Bug#348156: ITP: cableswig -- Generates Python and Tcl wrappers for C++ code (part of ITK)

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gavin Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: cableswig Version : 2.4.0 Upstream Author : Brad King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.itk.org/HTML/CableSwig.html * License

Re: Apology for MIA, Retiring, RFA: x-symbol, xmix, oneko

[ retiring ] Just in case you missed that part: if you want your account to be closed etc, please inform the keyring maintainer as per (and with a gpg-signed email, bug on dev-reference being filed.) cheers -- v

Re: Andrew Suffield

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:58:51AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you think it achieves > anything? > > There are other DDs who are also involved in intense debates and flamewars > very often, but you're the only one where I constantly get th

Re: Need for launchpad

[Martin Meredith] > Thing is, in ubuntu - we don't neccesarily have "maintainers" for > packages. > > We use a collaborative process - anyone who had access can modify the > package. Basically - many many people can change a package, which can > be confusing for people. Here's the thing: the Mai

Better communication between projects [Was: ad-hominem construct deleted]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Meskes wrote: >>other field should reflect that. But again, some people are offended if >>the maintainer field is changed to something ubuntu specific for the >>modified packages. As before it's not an easy task, you get burnt if you >>go eithe

Re: For those who care about lesbians

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 11:03:37PM +, Brett Parker wrote: > > Of course, the post to d-d-a about lesbians that then goes on state > > > """ > > Don't post ir

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

But Windows security advisories don't contain debian packages. Ubuntu does contain close to all debian packages, and (I hope) most DDs have an interest to include improvements of other distributions in their packages (at least I do). Maemo (from the Nokia 770 fame) contains Debian packages.

Re: Andrew Suffield

On 10535 March 1977, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you think it achieves > anything? Do you think a constandt flaming on public lists is funny? Do you think it achieves anything? > There are other DDs who are also involved in intense debates and fla

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 10:42:20AM +, Martin Meredith wrote: > Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label > > which is the Debian maintainer and which is the Ubuntu maintainer. > > Thing is, in ubuntu - we don't neccesarily have "maintainers" for

Re: Canonical's business model

[David Nusinow] > As far as I know this wasn't any corporate decision by Canonical to > give back to Debian, but it was a personal decision by Daniel to > help me (for which I'm immensely grateful). I do not really understand this kind of reasoning. I get the impression that you see a difference

Re: Better communication between projects [Was: ad-hominem construct deleted]

[Sami Haahtinen] > like 'dpkg --show-primary-contact ' That way we could even > add a separate field Preferred-Contact: (or something alike) that > could override the maintainer and modifier. "Preferred contact" is *exactly* what the Maintainer field means. [Well, and the co-maintainers ("Uploade

Re: Canonical's business model

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:28:26PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [David Nusinow] > > As far as I know this wasn't any corporate decision by Canonical to > > give back to Debian, but it was a personal decision by Daniel to > > help me (for which I'm immensely grateful). > > I do not really un

Re: Better communication between projects

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [Sami Haahtinen] >> like 'dpkg --show-primary-contact ' That way we could even >> add a separate field Preferred-Contact: (or something alike) that >> could override the maintainer and modifier. > > "Prefe

Re: Need for launchpad

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:04:46PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: > I don't think that patches-submitted-to-the-BTS is a good way to > measure how much Ubuntu is contributing to Debian. Ubuntu's patches > are readily available: > > http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~scott/patches/ I looked at the pat

Re: Better communication between projects

On 1/15/06, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Completely agreed. While I don't object to occasional mails from > Ubuntu users, I don't generally have a proper Ubuntu contact (or list) > to point them to. This would help a lot there, as well as preventing > the problem in the first place.

Re: Better communication between projects

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:07:05PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > Completely agreed. While I don't object to occasional mails from > Ubuntu users, I don't generally have a proper Ubuntu contact (or list) > to point them to. This would help a lot there, as well as preventing > the problem in the firs

Re: Better communication between projects

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Reinhard Tartler wrote: > On 1/15/06, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Completely agreed. While I don't object to occasional mails from >>Ubuntu users, I don't generally have a proper Ubuntu contact (or list) >>to point them to. This would he

Re: A standard location to find 'vmlinux' to use for oprofile

Hi, > > > The remaining problem is that we don't really have a standard > > > location for 'vmlinux'. > > > > How about /boot/vmlinux-$version ? > > This feels like the right answer to me. It's consistent with > the naming and using of the rest of the kernel's bits and pieces > (/boot/c

Re: For those who care about lesbians

On Sunday 15 January 2006 01:36, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:51:03 +, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 08:40, Roger Leigh wrote: > >>> Andrew, do you understand just how inappropriate and offensive >

Re: Need for launchpad

Theodore Ts'o wrote: > I looked at the patches for e2fsprogs, and I have to conclude that > unfortunately, they patches are worse than useless. It's not clear > exactly what is being diffed against what, but if I had to guess it's > a diff of Debian stable or Debian testing versus the latest in Ub

Re: Apology for MIA, Retiring, RFA: x-symbol, xmix, oneko

Steve Dunham wrote: > >I haven't had time for Debian in a long while - I've held on for a >while because I've enjoyed working for Debian, but I don't think I'll >find time again. Now I'm renovating a house and have switched to OSX, >so it's time I move on. > >I'm truly sorry that I have negle

Bug#348206: ITP: ieee80211softmac -- IEEE 802.11 SoftMAC kernel module

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Rene Engelhard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: ieee80211softmac Version : 20060114 Upstream Authors: * Copyright (c) 2005 Johannes Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Joseph Jezak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Larr

Bug#348207: ITP: bcm43xx -- Broadcom 43xx Wireless LAN driver module

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Rene Engelhard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: bcm43xx Version : 20060108 Upstream Authors: Copyright (c) 2005 Martin Langer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stefano Brivio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Michael Buesc

Re: Trivial bug on apt-file (Was : Re: Development standards for unstable)

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 02:34:32PM +0900, Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > As stated by the Debian Policy Manual : > > "The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is required > for the depending package to provide a significant amount of > functionality." >

Re: Aptitude question

On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:41:25AM +0900, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [0] alert readers will note that the caveat "if the user waits for a > > sufficient amount of time" has to be added here; however, this is typically > > mu

Re: Apology for MIA, Retiring, RFA: x-symbol, xmix, oneko

On Jan 15, 2006, at 8:58 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: Steve Dunham wrote: I haven't had time for Debian in a long while - I've held on for a while because I've enjoyed working for Debian, but I don't think I'll find time again. Now I'm renovating a house and have switched to OSX, so it's time I

Re: New experimental sysvinit

sysvinit 2.86.ds1-10 is now in incoming. Along with udev 0.080-1 this should fix the problem (/dev/pts not mounted early enough) that kept some people from using bootlogd. Beyond that, it is the latest of a string of experimental releases. The sysvinit team is hoping that it is not too far off b

Re: Re: Canonical's business model

Hi Matt, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:34:31PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Ubuntu could report in the BTS all the bugs it finds, and submit patches > > via the BTS. [...] > Many patches are submitted via the BTS, though not every patch publishe

Bug#348209: ITP: smbnetfs -- User-space filesystem for SMB/NMB (Windows) network servers and shares

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Package name: smbnetfs Version : 0.3.2 Upstream Author : Mikhail Kshevetskiy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL : http://smbnetfs.airm.net/ License : GPL Description : User-space filesystem

Re: Need for launchpad

Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I can't comment on your package. I have seen changes in some packages > that looked gratuitious, but then I have been comforted by the thought > that the perpetrators of gratuitous changes are the ones who have to pay > the price for it, because they have

Emphasize teams, not packages

When somebody wants to become a DD he is told “Go find a package to maintain, one that you can be the maintainer for.” I see serious problems with this approach as Debian increases in DD's. I will how this is in a second. What I think should be emphasized is “Go find a package team and join

Re: Emphasize teams, not packages

Frans Jessop wrote: > First, as the announcement just came a few days ago some are ignoring > their > bugs for months. If a team was on the project that is less likely to > happen. Hmm this already happens today with packages who *are* maintained by teams. > Second, collaboration on ideas for i

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:42:20 +, Martin Meredith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label which is >> the Debian maintainer and which is the Ubuntu maintainer. > Thing is, in ubuntu - we don't neccesarily have "mainta

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:03:06AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > However, to the degree that the Ubuntu patches have these sorts of > gratuitous changes that shouldn't be merged with Debian, the patch > database quickly becomes useless. The current patch system is only useful > if a maintainer can

Wig & Pen -- new source format roadmap?

su, 2006-01-15 kello 20:21 +, Mark Brown kirjoitti: > Deploying Wig & Pen would also help, of course. Speaking of which: what needs to happen for Wig & Pen (the new source format) to be usable? Is it possible to get it to happen within etch? What can we do to help with this? -- Those who do,

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

Leaving ubuntu out of this, what puzzles me about your message, Raphael, is this: Raphael Hertzog wrote: > If you have some uploads pending, and would like to see those packages > included [...] > If for whatever reason you don't want to upload the new package to Debian > directly [...] This see

Re: Need for launchpad

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 08:34:33PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I can't agree. From the sound of this and other threads, there are a number > > of folks who are unlikely to be satisfied with any behavior on the part of > > the Ubuntu project

Re: Need for launchpad

Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > would it be usefull if the Ubuntu Maintainer would add a > 'ubuntu-specific' usertag to those bugs in the Ubuntu BTS as a way of > telling Debian folks (as well as others) that they should not address > this bugs. You aren't listening. Do not submit irrel

Re: Need for launchpad

Theodore Ts'o wrote: > I looked at the patches for e2fsprogs, and I have to conclude that > unfortunately, they patches are worse than useless. Unfortunatly, it doesn't seem to help the situation in general to tell Ubuntu this, although in specific cases raising a large enough stink might result i

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 09:42:22AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Um, I have said nothing against crediting maintainers in the > > packages. I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label > > which is the Debian maintainer and which

Re: Bug#345091: ITP: checkgmail -- Alternative Gmail Notifier for Linux via Atom feeds

> I looked at the homepage, and while this does appear useful, is it really > nescessary to be packaged all by itself? > > Think about a collection package; I don't think debian should be overloaded > with tons of single-program packages. I'm getting used to package software for debian, and this s

Re: Apology for MIA, Retiring, RFA: x-symbol, xmix, oneko

Steve Dunham wrote: > I haven't had time for Debian in a long while - I've held on for a > while because I've enjoyed working for Debian, but I don't think I'll > find time again. Now I'm renovating a house and have switched to OSX, > so it's time I move on. > > I'm truly sorry that I have n

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 08:21:20AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > And on _top_ of that, we have all sorts of gratuitous autotools > changes. Let's not forget the random conversion of build systems -- dpatch seems to be a favourite to rewrite perfectly functioning build systems into. > This is roug

Re: Need for launchpad

Matt Zimmerman wrote: > This is only the latest expression of the same general discontent which has > been rehashed again and again on this list. A year ago it was "Ubuntu > aren't contributing", then "Ubuntu aren't contributing in the right way", > and now "Ubuntu aren't contributing in the way t

Re: A standard location to find 'vmlinux' to use for oprofile

Hi, > > > The remaining problem is that we don't really have a standard > > > location for 'vmlinux'. > > > > How about /boot/vmlinux-$version ? > > This feels like the right answer to me. It's consistent with > the naming and using of the rest of the kernel's bits and pieces > (/boot/c

Re: Re: Canonical's business model

On 1/15/06, Martin-Éric Racine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Many patches are submitted via the BTS, though not every patch published in > > the patch archive is submitted this way, for reasons which have been > > discussed to death in previous threads. > > What I think could be done in a signific

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:27:31PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:26:25AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 11:35:24PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > I believe Ubuntu fills an important gap in the Debian world and as such > > > Ubuntu is not p

Re: Andrew Suffield

On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 06:28 -0500, sean finney wrote: > On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:58:51AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > > Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you think it achieves > > anything? > > > > There are other DDs who are also involved in intense debates and flamewars

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:54:09PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Could you then take my name off as being reponsible for > software that this diverse group of people have modified, if the > modifications are more than cosmetic? Also, I would like the bug > reports to be triaged and f

Re: Need for launchpad

Theodore Ts'o <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > While I don't disagree with this sentiment, keep in mind that Debian > itself is sometimes guilty of adding changes to packages when the > upstream may or may not approve. Of course, we'll justify by saying > that "users want it", or that it is in "the

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

* Sami Haahtinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-15 11:27]: > Gerfried Fuchs wrote: >> It's also about false statements like "We sync our packages to Debian >> regularly," because that simply doesn't happen for quite a lot of us, >> otherwise all these heated discussions wouldn't happen. > > They ha

Re: Emphasize teams, not packages

This must constitute the perfect post. I too care about Debian's future. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

On 1/15/06, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you can't understand sarcasm, why didn't you read the part for > people who can't understand sarcasm? debian-announce is not meant to play games. Someone made a (perhaps honest) mistake, and were duly criticised. But you know the rules.

Re: Aptitude question

Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When you say that normal operation is getting slower, do you mean just > the load time or its overall performance? The time required to load > in all the state files is a bit long, but once they're loaded the > program seems to run reasonably quickly to

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 12:23:51PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 1/14/06, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:03:14PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > (...) > > > Exactly my point Matthew, and calm down David, i wrote: "e.g.: David > > > said that Daniel helped

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 05:09:44PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Hmm, it seems to me that Ubuntu has recently changed its practices > regarding what degree of divergence from Debian is appropriate, notably > in the introduction of the MOTU group. The MOTU team was formed about a week after the first r

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 03:12:33PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Actually, upstream maintainers have no voice before the technical > committee, which exists to resolve disputes between Debian developers, > not between Debian developers and outsiders. Indeed. And likewise, we have absolutely

making more packages binary NMU safe

I noticed that glabels is broken on i386 because it's not binary NMU safe, and someone did a binary NMU. After poking around a bit, I found http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2005/11/msg0.html, which discussed a possible solution to this problem. Since then, we have changed the version number

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 01:36:43PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > would it be usefull if the Ubuntu Maintainer would add a > > 'ubuntu-specific' usertag to those bugs in the Ubuntu BTS as a way of > > telling Debian folks (as well as others) that t

Does it sometimes happen that people send mails before NMU ?

There have been 2 NMUs on libxml2 in a week and I never got a message beforehand. Now I wonder if that practice has disappeared somehow. I admit I've not spent enough time for libxml2 recently, but still, I wouldn't have been bothered by some poking beforehand. Moreover, I'm not exactly sure the

Bug#348300: ITP: pywireless -- basic wireless connection monitor with DCOP support

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Marcela Tiznado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pywireless Version : 3.2 Upstream Author : S.Çaglar Onur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://svn.uludag.org.tr/viewcvs/PyWireless/ * License : GPL Description : ba

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Kevin Mark wrote: > > There's no "Ubuntu maintainer" for a specific package... packages in > > Universe are sometimes uploaded by several different person. > > Hi Rapael, > So WHO exactly would you expect Ubuntu folks to think to email with > requests? The result by experience

Re: Does it sometimes happen that people send mails before NMU ?

* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > There have been 2 NMUs on libxml2 in a week and I never got a message > beforehand. Now I wonder if that practice has disappeared somehow. > > I admit I've not spent enough time for libxml2 recently, but still, I > wouldn't have been bothered by some poki

Re: Need for launchpad

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Joey Hess wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > This is only the latest expression of the same general discontent which has > > been rehashed again and again on this list. A year ago it was "Ubuntu > > aren't contributing", then "Ubuntu aren't contributing in the right way", > >

Re: Does it sometimes happen that people send mails before NMU ?

Hi Mike, On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 07:47:52AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > There have been 2 NMUs on libxml2 in a week and I never got a message > beforehand. Now I wonder if that practice has disappeared somehow. > I admit I've not spent enough time for libxml2 recently, but still, I > wouldn't hav