Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Alexander Winston
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: > > Debian 3.0 contains 7 CDs with binaries and Debian 3.1 might contain 10 > > or more CDs. How do you explain to a user why there are 10 CDs, but this > > popular package is not included, and that package he needs is not > > included? > > > > Sayi

Re: zebra not in sarge

2003-11-16 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:34:03 -0500, "Bao C. Ha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I have just noted that zebra is not in sarge. Is it going to be phased >out? Besides quagga, are there any other good routing daemons? Zebra is dead upstream. Use quagga. It's the same code base with a lot of improvement

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:23:42PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: unace > Version : 1.2b > Upstream Author : Marcel Lemke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : None. Google for "unace-1.2b.tar.gz" I hope you can do better t

Re: RFA: A lot of packages

2003-11-16 Thread Andrés Roldán
Yep, I uploaded amap as well :) Daniel Gubser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am Sam, 2003-11-15 um 16.52 schrieb Andrés Roldán: >> I will make an upload today then. > > sorry to be so late but Christian Perrier made an upload for uptimed > today: > > http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/uptimed/news/1.

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: > Filip Van Raemdonck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > > libxklavier & gswitchit packages are uploaded and waiting to be added by > > ftp-master. > > This nasty behavior shows that being an officiel Debian developer > does not mean quality. >

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread David Starner
Alexander Winston wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: > > If you were a Debian developer, you could fix this by adopting or at least > > NMUing important programs that were unmaintained. Is it easier to stand > > on the outside and complain then actually work to making it bet

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 06:52:53PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > Description : De-archiver for .ace files > > This is clumsy. Please say "extraction utility for .ace archive files" It's analogous to the descriptions in arj and unzip. > or something similar (see descriptions for unarj, z

Installing kernel-image-2.4.22

2003-11-16 Thread Otto Wyss
I tried to upgrade the 2.2 kernel from Woody to 2.4.22 and installed kernel-image-2.4.22. During installation a large text but barely interpretable text about initrd.img is shown. Why can't the install make a fully correct lilo.conf by itself? Besides the text is wrong instead of "initrd=initrd.img

Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-11-15 17:37 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: > > I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my > > work preparation turned into ashes. > > Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Why should he? If

Re: Installing kernel-image-2.4.22

2003-11-16 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Otto! Otto Wyss schrieb am Sunday, den 16. November 2003: > I tried to upgrade the 2.2 kernel from Woody to 2.4.22 and installed > kernel-image-2.4.22. During installation a large text but barely > interpretable text about initrd.img is shown. Why can't the install make > a fully correct lilo

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Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:04:15AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 06:52:53PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > Description : De-archiver for .ace files > > > > This is clumsy. Please say "extraction utility for .ace archive files" > > It's analogous to the descriptio

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you think best, > then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody must do > that. No, but if you don't do it, you forfeit your right to whine about duplicate work when it turns out that you're

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Adrian Bunk wrote: > - testing, unstable or Debian 3.0 with backports aren't suitable for > production systems Of course it is, Debian 3.0 with a few _selected_ backports works nice, also on production systems. -- - nobse

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Alexander Winston wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: > > If you were a Debian developer, you could fix this by adopting or at least > > NMUing important programs that were unmaintained. Is it easier to stand > > on the outside and co

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:35:57AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > The problem with your pragmatic approach is that every of your users has > > other packages he cares about. A package you care zero about might be > > the killer application for some

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Andreas Barth
* David Starner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031116 10:55]: > Alexander Winston wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: > > > If you were a Debian developer, you could fix this by adopting or at least > > > NMUing important programs that were unmaintained. Is it easier to stand > > > o

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Blars Blarson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >Given a person with the hardware and time I'm certain support can be > >added in a single day. The big problem is getting access to the > >hardware directly or indirectly through a tester. >

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Alexander Winston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: > > > Debian 3.0 contains 7 CDs with binaries and Debian 3.1 might contain 10 > > > or more CDs. How do you explain to a user why there are 10 CDs, but this > > > popular package is not included, and

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: > On the flip side, he's a Debian developer and you would have had to find > a sponsor etc. I would rather have a package from a registered > maintainer, if you don't mind. Thats stupid. A DD alread

Re: Installing kernel-image-2.4.22

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Otto Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I tried to upgrade the 2.2 kernel from Woody to 2.4.22 and installed > kernel-image-2.4.22. During installation a large text but barely > interpretable text about initrd.img is shown. Why can't the install make > a fully correct lilo.conf by itself? Besides

Re: POSIX capabilities patch

2003-11-16 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Nov 15, Miquel van Smoorenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Sorry: http://www.linux.it/~md/software/ssd.tgz . > > > >Should that go into /sbin/init itself, so that you can boot with > >initcaps=eip,cap_setpcap+eip on t

Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread David Palmer
Hello, I thought that I might make a beginning at learning. I've searched the web, found information that goes beyond the definition of plethora, so I thought that I'd ask here. (1) What is the best language to start with? Some say C. Others say C++. Some say learn C, then go on to C++. Others sa

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Andreas Barth
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031116 13:40]: > Adopting is easy compared to getting a NMU or a hijack sponsort. My first upload to the archive was a (of course sponsored) hijack. So, it's possible (but I had however the blessings of Martin on d-qa, and more-than-one-try to reach the

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:29:08PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: > > On the flip side, he's a Debian developer and you would have had to find > > a sponsor etc. I would rather have a packa

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > On 2003-11-15 17:37 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: > > > I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my > > > work preparation turned into ashes. > > > > Duck,

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 10:57:23PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > I don't mind changing it, but you should speak with the maintainers of > > arj and unzip first (just for the sake of consistency). > > In the case of package descriptions, I don't think that consistently bad > is better than incon

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Duck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Instead of > complaining, why don't you thank your fellow developer and offer to > co-maintain the package. Perhaps the package could benefit from you

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
[ Responding to this since I've been BCCed. ] * Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-14 11:34]: > I´ve been told that this is caused by some toolchain and kernel > problems on mips that make the buildds running slow. I talked to Ryan about the mips port about two weeks ago; I'll try to

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Duck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my >> work preparation turned into ashes. > > "Duck", why did you do any preparation before writing the ITP yourself? > >> You did work on y

Bug#221075: ITP: type-handling -- Virtual packages for extending architecture handling

2003-11-16 Thread Robert Millan
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: type-handling Version : 0.0.0 * URL : http://people.debian.org/~rmh/type-handling/ * License : GPL Description : Virtual packages for extending architecture handling This package provides virtual packages fo

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:04:15AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 06:52:53PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > > Description : De-archiver for .ace files > > > > > > This is clumsy. Please say "extraction utility for .ace

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:53:39AM +1100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: > I am trying to get a new hard drive for this machine, but unfortunately > the hardware donations manager is currently on vacation and hasn't > responded to my mail yet; we might just buy one if he doesn't r

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:09:17PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: | Hmm, do you mean that *you* don't speak about de-archivers? | [ This is the first time I hear about this in 6 years ]. | | Google says: | | dearchiver 391 hits | de-archiver 1660 hits | unarchiver 1240 hits | un-archiver 1500 hi

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:14:48PM +0100, Duck wrote: > > Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Instead of > > complaining, why don't you thank your fellow developer and offer to > > co-maintain the package. Perhaps the package could benefit from your > > combined efforts. > > A

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:02:45 +0100 Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * David Starner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031116 10:55]: [...] > > Actually, Adrian Bunk _was_ a Debian maintainer, but he retired; see > > . He actively chose to > > make these p

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-11-17 0:17 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > If you don't write the ITP first, you run the risk of somebody else > duplicating your work! Exactly what happened here. Not quite exactly, as far as I understood, Filip did not send an ITP at all. This would have decreased the chance of dou

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:53:39AM +1100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: > [ Responding to this since I've been BCCed. ] > * Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-14 11:34]: > > I´ve been told that this is caused by some toolchain and kernel > > problems on mips that make

Bug#221090: ITP: libgnuinet-java -- extension library to provide extra network protocol support

2003-11-16 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: libgnuinet-java Version : 0.0.cvs20031116 Upstream Author : Chris Burdess * URL or Web page : http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/classpath * License : GPL v2 Description : extension library to provide extra network protoc

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:29:08PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Thats stupid. A DD already has some packages so on average he will > have less time to care for yet another package. There's so many variables influencing the level of support developers are able to offer for their packages t

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Chad Walstrom
Please don't misinterpret my terse replies for annoyance or flaming. This is really a non-issue, and my email reflects that. On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:14:48PM +0100, Duck wrote: > As Martin Pitt said, I think it's wise contacting related persons, > look at the program, and then, when you relly wa

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > Why should he? If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you > think best, then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody > must do that. It's simply a matter of timing and fact. The sooner you ITP, the less likel

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Colin Watson | On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Alexander Winston wrote: | > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote: | > > If you were a Debian developer, you could fix this by adopting or at least | > > NMUing important programs that were unmaintained. Is it easier to stand

Bug#221111: ITP: libcharles0 -- Data structure library for Ada95 modelled on the C++ STL

2003-11-16 Thread Ludovic Brenta
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: libcharles0 Version : 0.0.20030813 Upstream Author : Matthew J. Heaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://home.earthlink.net/~matthewjheaney/charles/ * License : GPL Description : Data structure library for

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Kenshi Muto wrote: > At Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:59:24 +0100, > Martin Schulze wrote: > > Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 > > = > > > > An up-to-date version is at . > > > > I am preparing the second revision of the curre

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:45:51PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: > I thought that I might make a beginning at learning. I've searched > the web, found information that goes beyond the definition of > plethora, so I thought that I'd ask here. C is useful, stable, has a huge following. C++ is useful,

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread John Hasler
Josip Rodin writes: > It's been proven plenty of times that whenever we have task depend on a > single person doing it, the lack of redundancy comes back and bites us in > the ass whenever there's the slightest bit of a problem. Example: I recently had an opportunity to arrange the donation of fiv

Re: Debian communication and attitude

2003-11-16 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:17:08 +1100, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: >> Why should he? If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you >> think best, then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody > >If you do

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Filip Van Raemdonck
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: > Filip Van Raemdonck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > > > > libxklavier & gswitchit packages are uploaded and waiting to be added by > > ftp-master. > > This nasty behavior shows that being an officiel Debian developer > does not mean quality.

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Filip Van Raemdonck
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:38:30PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > > I'm sorry that you feel disappointed, but the other developer didn't seem to > do anything "really nasty", he was merely much more expeditious than you > were. He could have posted his ITP sooner, too (unless in the unlikely event >

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:17:07PM +0100, Duck wrote: > > ITP means simply "intent to package". Anyone can, and judging by this case > > probably should, announce their intention as soon as they see the program or > > the RFP. You can always either confirm or withdraw your ITP later. > > Good beha

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Duck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ITP means simply "intent to package". Anyone can, and judging by this case > probably should, announce their intention as soon as they see the program or > the RFP. You can always either confirm or withdraw yo

Re: Debian communication and attitude

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:12:38PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > And even if the ITP is filed in time, you can work for the waste > basked since final ftpmaster approval can only be applied for after > all work is done. > > And there are many cases where Debian has said "no, we don't want your > pack

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 04:30:26PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > Kenshi Muto wrote: > > At Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:59:24 +0100, > > Martin Schulze wrote: > > > Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 > > > = > > > An up-to-date version is at

dpatch 2.0.0 uploaded to experimental

2003-11-16 Thread Gergely Nagy
(Umm... err... *swallow*, *crowd laughs*, well...) Hello Nurse! I mean, PEOPLE! I always wanted to read my own post to debian-devel-announce, so I now take the opportunity to pollute^Wannounce a set of BIG changes in dpatch. There are significant changes in both the code and in how the so

Re: Bug#163252: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:55:46 +0100, Duck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Filip Van Raemdonck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >> libxklavier & gswitchit packages are uploaded and waiting to be >> added by ftp-master. > This nasty behavior shows that being an officiel Debian developer > does not mean qu

Bug#221126: ITP: di -- disk information utility -- more powerful than df

2003-11-16 Thread Kevin M. Rosenberg
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: di Version : 3.9 Upstream Author : Brad Lanam * URL : http://www.gentoo.com/di/ * License : BSD Description : disk information utility -- more powerful than df 'di' is a disk information utility, display

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Joe Drew
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 09:33, Cameron Patrick wrote: > I'm a native English speaker and I don't believe I've ever heard the > term de-archiver; its meaning is clear, but it sounds 'wrong'. The > hyphen, especially, looks out of place. "Unarchiver" is what I'd use > if I had to coin a word for it,

Bug#221132: ITP: kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs -- Linux kernel image for version 2.4.22 w/ XFS support

2003-11-16 Thread Steve Langasek
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs Version : 2.4.22-3-1 Upstream Author : Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> et al. * License : GPL Description : Linux kernel image for version 2.4.22 w/ XFS support This package is essentially a

How to manage shared Debconf questions?

2003-11-16 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
Hello, I maintain the source package pilot-link. Pilot-link is a set tools to communicate with a Palm PDA (through serial, USB or infra red). This source package provides a library libpisock8 and a package with command line tools pilot-link. The library uses by default the file /dev/pilot. /dev/p

Bug#221135: ITP: imediff2 -- interactive full screen 2-way merge tool

2003-11-16 Thread Jarno Elonen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: imediff2 Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Jarno Elonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://iki.fi/elonen/code/imediff/ * License : GPL Description : interactive full screen 2-way merge tool Imediff2 lets you

Re: ttmkfdir and libfreetype6

2003-11-16 Thread Robin
Okay, it turns out Jubal is alive and well. I had merely filtered out his reply a tad bit too agressively. - Robin signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:14:48 +0100, Duck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > As Martin Pitt said, I think it's wise contacting related persons, > look at the program, and then, when you relly want to package it, > write an ITP. I won't post hundreds of ITPs in advance to be sure > to get the packages i

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Brian Nelson
Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Adrian Bunk wrote: >> - testing, unstable or Debian 3.0 with backports aren't suitable for >> production systems > > Of course it is, Debian 3.0 with a few _selected_ backports works > nice, also on production systems. Err, do you realize you'r

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:34:09AM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Adrian Bunk wrote: > >> - testing, unstable or Debian 3.0 with backports aren't suitable for > >> production systems > > > > Of course it is, Debian 3.0 with a few _selected_ backp

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:53:39AM +1100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: > [ Responding to this since I've been BCCed. ] Oh, nice. If hadn't been Bcc'ed you wouldn't respond? That's reasuring, since you seem to be one of the few persons who's got some information on the sub

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread David Palmer
Thank you Paul, Chad, Wesley and Bernhard. Regards, David.

Re: Installing kernel-image-2.4.22

2003-11-16 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:40:13AM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote: > I tried to upgrade the 2.2 kernel from Woody to 2.4.22 and installed > kernel-image-2.4.22. During installation a large text but barely > interpretable text about initrd.img is shown. Why can't the install make > a fully correct lilo.conf

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread Brian May
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:02:07AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >We are pleased to announce the first beta release of debian-installer, the > >new installation system for sarge. > > We want screenshots! I have tri

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:10:14PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:53:39AM +1100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project > Leader wrote: > > [ Responding to this since I've been BCCed. ] > > Oh, nice. If hadn't been Bcc'ed you wouldn't respond? That's > reasuring, s

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread David Weinehall
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 07:52:32AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:02:07AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >We are pleased to announce the first beta release of debian-installer, the > > >new

Re: Bug#220358: ITP: mecab-ipadic -- IPA dictionary compiled for Mecab

2003-11-16 Thread Paul Hampson
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 02:23:59PM +0100, Tim Dijkstra wrote: > On 14 Nov 2003 13:18:02 +0100 > Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scripsit Tim Dijkstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > TSUCHIYA Masatoshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Each User may also freely distribute the Program

RE: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread Julian Mehnle
Brian May wrote: > I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! > > I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already supported: > [...] > 3. Software raid support? That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style software RAID. No opinion about LVM-style RAID.

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Brian May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > 2. Grub instead of Lilo? Look closer.. :-) Using GRUB is possible, though LILO is the default. You just need to lower the debconf priority just to get some more questions.and main-menu entries.

Re: How to manage shared Debconf questions?

2003-11-16 Thread Andreas Metzler
Ludovic Rousseau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I maintain the source package pilot-link. Pilot-link is a set tools to > communicate with a Palm PDA (through serial, USB or infra red). This > source package provides a library libpisock8 and a package with command > line tools pilot-link. > The libra

Re: Bug#220930: ITP: unace -- De-archiver for .ace files

2003-11-16 Thread Paul Hampson
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 10:33:47PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:09:17PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > | Hmm, do you mean that *you* don't speak about de-archivers? > | [ This is the first time I hear about this in 6 years ]. > | > | Google says: > | > | dearchiver

Re: Bug#219959: ITP: mozilla-locale-eu -- Mozilla Basque Language Package

2003-11-16 Thread Joe Drew
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 10:58, Jordi Mallach wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 04:59:45PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote: > > The mozilla-locale* packages need some uniformity to their short (and > > maybe long, I haven't looked) descriptions. > > > > ("Mozilla $LANG Language Package", "Mozilla $LANG language

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:03, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >  packaging wrk that would be thrown away. ITP _after_ looking at the >  program, and _before_ packaging it.  And I personally wait until I That's a matter of opinion. I generally don't ITP until I already have something that

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:45:51PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: > > I thought that I might make a beginning at learning. Good call :) > I've searched the web, found information that goes beyond the definition > of plethora, so I thought that I'd ask here. "Go not to Usenet - for you will be told Y

Bug#221164: ITP: sec -- Simple Event Correlator

2003-11-16 Thread Jaakko Niemi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: sec Version : 2.1.11 Upstream Author : Risto Vaarandi * URL : http://www.estpak.ee/~risto/sec/ * License : GPLv2 Description : Simple Event Correlator SEC is a simple event correlation tool that takes inp

Re: Bug#155583: radiusd-freeradius history and future

2003-11-16 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:36:53AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I think dpkg-statoverride is not too bad in this case. I'll talk to > >the nis package maintainer and see if that's acceptable. If not, nis > >cou

Bug#221163: ITP: libjessie-java -- free implementation of the Java Secure Sockets Extention (JSSE)

2003-11-16 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: libjessie-java Version : 0.9.4 Upstream Author : Casey Marshall * URL or Web page : http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/jessie/ * License : GNU General Public License V2 Description : free implementation of the Java Sec

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-16 Thread Kenshi Muto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, At Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:30:26 +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > If I understood you correctly, you want me to remove these packages: > > ttf-kochi-mincho > ttf-kochi-mincho-naga10 > ttf-xwatanabe-mincho > watanabe-vfont > ttf-xtt-wadalab-gothic (sour

Re: Bug#219996: ITP: oinkmaster -- Simple snort rules manager

2003-11-16 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 11:11, Roberto Moreda wrote: > * Package name: oinkmaster > Description : Simple snort rules manager The capitalisation of "Simple" and "snort" should be reversed. I would also remove "simple" altogether, but perhaps that's an important feature (as if there would be

Re: Bug#220034: ITP: gtk-acl -- GTK front end to manage ACL permissions

2003-11-16 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 13:59, Sebastian D.B. Krause wrote: > * Package name: gtk-acl > Description : GTK front end to manage ACL permissions "tool for managing ACL permissions" > gtk-acl is a GTK front end to manage ACL permissions on files and > directories. You can set write, read and

Re: Bug#220036: ITP: mudpit -- Spool processor for Snort's unified log/alert files

2003-11-16 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 14:20, Roberto Moreda wrote: > * Package name: mudpit > Description : Spool processor for Snort's unified log/alert files De-capitalize "Spool." > Mudpit is a modular spool processor for log/alert files generated by > Snort IDS using the unified output format. A

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Julian Mehnle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian May wrote: > > I have tried debian-installer, and found it to be great! > > > > I just have three feature requests, if they aren't already supported: > > [...] > > 3. Software raid support? > > That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > He could have posted his ITP sooner, too (unless in the unlikely event > he actually made the package in a few minutes), but it's not such a big deal. Another possibility is that one only actually decides that one is willing to maintain the package in De

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There's one on my desk. It's an embedded board produced by Broadcom, > complete with dual cores, IDE, and dual gigabit ethernet. MIPS, Inc. > has a similar board; Debian has one of these somewhere, IIRC. These > little fellows have more computing

Re: debian-installer beta 1

2003-11-16 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Julian Mehnle wrote: > That would be great! At least if it means ATARAID-style software RAID. No > opinion about LVM-style RAID. Yuck (if by ATARAID you mean those PoS controllers from, e.g., Promise -- these are slow as a snail compared to md software RAID), and Yuck for L

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread David Starner
This may be somewhat contraversal, but I wouldn't start with C or C++. If you want to learn to program, start with something with bounds checking and other safety guards. To be a serious programmer, you will have to learn C and C++, but learning a programming language is only a small part of learni

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread Eike Sauer
Andrew M.A. Cater schrieb: > They may be right - but, as noted elsewhere, much C++ is written by > C programmers who don't necessarily use all the features of C++ > anyway. ...so don't become one of those and learn C++ _first_. Ciao, Eike PS: I hope I got the message references r

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-16 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:22:37 +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote: > And this package is must be removed from only Woody (already fixed in > Sarge/Sid): > > xfonts-intl-japanese-big (Bug#215371) I think it's good idea to update this package to the latest, instead of removing from woody. Milan, do you think

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:26:51PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > Since you're posting that as the DPL you're asking for the following > reply. Sorry :) > > It's been proven plenty of times that whenever we have task depend on a > single person doing it, the lack of redundancy comes back and bites us

Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

2003-11-16 Thread Andrew Lau
Hey everyone, I don't know whether to file a bug report or just laugh my head off. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% vrms Non-free packages installed on espresso doc-linux-nonfree-textLinux HOWTOs in ASCII forma

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

2003-11-16 Thread Tom
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:14:53PM +1100, Andrew Lau wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I don't know whether to file a bug report or just laugh my head off. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% vrms > Non-free packages installed on espresso >

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

2003-11-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:14:53PM +1100, Andrew Lau wrote: > I don't know whether to file a bug report or just laugh my head off. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% vrms > Non-free packages installed on espresso >

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
* Marcelo E. Magallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-16 12:10]: > > [ Responding to this since I've been BCCed. ] > Oh, nice. If hadn't been Bcc'ed you wouldn't respond? I didn't say that; I simply stressed the importance of (B)CCing [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to ensure getting a reply from th

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-16 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 01:46, Eike Sauer wrote: > Andrew M.A. Cater schrieb: > > They may be right - but, as noted elsewhere, much C++ is written by > > C programmers who don't necessarily use all the features of C++ > > anyway. > > ...so don't become one of those and learn C++ _first_. > I learn

Re: Is vrms really still a Virtual Richard M. Stallman?

2003-11-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 02:14:53PM +1100, Andrew Lau wrote: > > I don't know whether to file a bug report or just laugh my head off. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% vrms > > Non-free packages installed on espresso > >

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