Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-16 Thread Christoph Lameter
Exim can provide UUCP capabilities. It cannot do bang path routing. I doubt that anyone is using that though. -- > From: John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard? > Date: Saturday,

Re: Package priorities and dependencies.

1997-06-16 Thread Clint Adams
> I don't see your point, and you seem to have missed mine. My point is that there's no need for a package with no user-level functionality of its own, such as a library, to have a priority of its own. If an Important package such as 'at' depends on libelf0 for whatever dubious reason, libelf0 mi

Re: kerneld/multicast bug (tickled by gated) (fwd)

1997-06-16 Thread Michael Neuffer
This is from Linux kernel, and it sounds to me, that there might be versions that we can distribute with Debian. Mike -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:05:23 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAI

Re: Debian's mail daemons

1997-06-16 Thread Rob Browning
Alexander Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (I'd vote for exim if uucp is guaranteed to work) Ok, so what are the arguments for exim over qmail (at least why do you prefer it?) I've heard arguments for qmail and exim over sendmail. -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the

Re: Gone for a week

1997-06-16 Thread Joey Hess
Chiming in here, I'm going to be gone until the 23rd, camping on the outer banks of North Carolina. If any of my packages blow up, don't hesitate to release non-maintaner versions. :-) -- see shy jo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Ardo van Rangelrooij
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, I have another policy issue which is related to topic 11 (see below). The current layout of Info entries in the main Info menu (in the file /usr/info/dir) looks rather messy. I found the following "descrepencies": - not all packages are placed in an ap

PostgreSQL (formerly Postgres95)

1997-06-16 Thread Oliver Elphick
I have volunteered to become maintainer of this package, which is currently orphaned. I don't regard myself as particularly well qualified, so if there is anyone else interested in maintaining it, please let me know. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight

Re: locale errors

1997-06-16 Thread Ricardas Cepas
On Jun 15, Mark Baker wrote > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Erv Walter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > > LC_ALL = (unset), > > LANG = "us" > > are supported and ins

State of the "dunc" package [long]

1997-06-16 Thread Richard G. Roberto
I recently walked a friend through installing dunc-2.1 on a slackware box (from the debian package). The first thing we both noticed was how easy it is to install debian software on non-debian systems[1]. The second thing we noticed was the the version of dialog (although the upstream version was

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-16 Thread Tim Cutts
On 16 Jun 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: > Ofcourse there also needs to be a file (LocalIP with sendmail) to define > IP ranges that may use your SMTP host as a relay - for customers that > use your host as smarthost (Eudora, pegasus, netscape, sendmail null > clients etc). Well, exim certai

selfhtml

1997-06-16 Thread Marco Budde
Hi! Is anybody already working on a debian package containing the selfhtml manual? This is a real great description of the HTML tags in German language. If not I'll make a package. I'll upload my first debian package (doc-linux-de) in the next days. Bug reports are welcome ;-). cu, Marco

Re: Package priorities and dependencies.

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: [snip] > It seems to me that packages of any priority level should not be dependent > upon packages of lower priority. I totally agree to this. AFAIK, the reason for the "priorities" is that the users get "good defaults" in dselect. Thus, if someone wants

Re: Debian's mail daemons

1997-06-16 Thread Tim Cutts
On 15 Jun 1997, Rob Browning wrote: > Alexander Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > (I'd vote for exim if uucp is guaranteed to work) > > Ok, so what are the arguments for exim over qmail (at least why do you > prefer it?) > > I've heard arguments for qmail and exim over sendmail. qmail is

Re: Package priorities and dependencies.

1997-06-16 Thread joost witteveen
> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > [snip] > > It seems to me that packages of any priority level should not be dependent > > upon packages of lower priority. > > I totally agree to this. Yes, I noticed this myself too (in libg++272). I didn't quite know what to do with it at the time

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-16 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Frey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>TOPIC 4: editor/pager policy > What is the benefit of /usr/bin/sensible-{editor,pager}? > Why don't we just default to EDITOR=/usr/bin/vi and PAGER=/usr/bin/more > if both variables are unset? (auch, don't beat me)

Re: Debian's mail daemons

1997-06-16 Thread Carey Evans
Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [snip] > I am, for example, > irritated that qmail's forwarding file is called .qmail. What was the > point of that? Does changing the name from .forward to .qmail really > improve security? [snip] > qmail does not understand anything but > the most simpl

libc6 system for libc5-only maintainers

1997-06-16 Thread joost witteveen
If you (debian developper) need a libc6 system to compile your packages on, but feel you are unable to upgrade your system to libc6, I can give you an account on my system. (The connection with the internet is only about 6kByte/second (max), so it may not be very usefull for big packages). I'll s

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Mark Baker wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > David Frey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>TOPIC 4: editor/pager policy > > What is the benefit of /usr/bin/sensible-{editor,pager}? > > Why don't we just default to EDITOR=/usr/bin/vi and PAGER=/usr/bin/more >

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 15 Jun 1997, Rob Browning wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) writes: > > > Would programs _have_ to use this library, or is implementing the same thing > > in acceptable? The latter has problems in that it forces us to keep the same > > method, but I don't want to see lots of #ifdef debia

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Jim Pick wrote: > > > > All packages that provide HTML documentation should register these > > > documents to the menu system, too. Check out section section 4.1, > > > `Web > > > servers and applications' for details. > > > > Is that as well as registering w

Re: Debian's mail daemons

1997-06-16 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > qmail is supposed to be more secure. Theoretically, exim's design > allegedly means there might be some security issues, but none have > been found yet. There has been argument about this ad nauseam on > the exim-users mailing list. qmail also has stronger

Re: Unresolved symbols with ibmtr_cs PCMCIA module

1997-06-16 Thread Brian Mays
Stephen Zander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Further in my attempts to setup up a Thinkpad 760CD... > > When attempting to load the ibmtr_cs.o mdules under the standard > 2.0.30 kernel, I get the folliowing unresolved symbols. > > netif_rx_R9117ffb8 > dev_alloc_skb_R24e337ab > dev_kfree_skb_R7a6

Re: Package priorities and dependencies.

1997-06-16 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: > Two packages in the list of "important" refused to install because they > declared (correctly) their dependence upon packages of lower priority. > > at depends on libelf0 priority: optional >

Debian target audience

1997-06-16 Thread Alex Yukhimets
Hello all. Some time ago there was a posting on the list stating that typical Debian user is of SysAdmin type. The guy received a lot of negative responses and as a result we have now dotfile-generator in the distribution as our statement of being friendly to novices. Good thing, but what is Debia

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread joost witteveen
> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Jim Pick wrote: > > > > > > > All packages that provide HTML documentation should register these > > > > documents to the menu system, too. Check out section section 4.1, > > > > `Web > > > > servers and applications' for details. > > > > > > Is that as wel

Re: Package priorities and dependencies.

1997-06-16 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > Two packages in the list of "important" refused to install because they > > declared (correctly) their dependence upon packages of lower priority. > > > > at

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Rob Browning
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This really is an _excellent_ idea! So, we just need a volunteer to > implement and maintain this "upstream library". (The packaging for Debian > should not be a problem.) Ideally we could provide C, perl, python, etc versions of the code. -- Rob

Re: Debian target audience

1997-06-16 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> > Alex Yukhimets: > > Debian is the effort of a large number of developers and primararily > > *for* developers. > > I disagree. I think Debian is for anyone who wants a good Linux > system, and who doesn't need much non-free software. ^^^ That

When will bash 2.01 be packaged?

1997-06-16 Thread J . R . Blaakmeer
Hello, I just saw this post in comp.os.linux.x. I think this is enough reason to upgrade bash from 2.00 to 2.01. When will this happen? Remco On 16 Jun ,[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Greg DeFreitas") wrote about Re: bash upgrade killed Netscape shelling...: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >

Re: locale errors

1997-06-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) wrote on 15.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > > LC_ALL = (unset), > > LANG = "us" > > are supported and installed on your system. > > perl: warning

Re: Debian's mail daemons

1997-06-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Alan Dorman) wrote on 15.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > My two personal reservations: > > 1) I think Daniel J. Bernstein (qmail's author) doesn't seem to know > how to have a technical discussion without seeming as if he's tacking > an implicit "you stupid idiot" on

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-16 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miquel van Smoorenburg) wrote on 16.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [exim] > >I also hope to figure out how to get exim to have a customer-configurable > >spam block when acting as MX for those custo

Re: Unresolved symbols with ibmtr_cs PCMCIA module

1997-06-16 Thread Stephen Zander
Brian Mays wrote: > This is caused by an incompatibility between the pcmcia modules and > the kernel's configuration. I've created new packages that fix this > problem (pcmcia-cs and pcmcia-modules-2.0.30-7, both version 2.9.6-1) > that currently are waiting to be included in the distribution. I

Re: Package priorities and dependencies.

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > > On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > > Two packages in the list of "important" refused to install because they > > > declared (correctly) their dep

Re: When will bash 2.01 be packaged?

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > > I just saw this post in comp.os.linux.x. I think this is enough reason to > upgrade bash from 2.00 to 2.01. When will this happen? Guy Maor is the current maintainer of the "bash" package. However, he told us that he is offline for about

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 16 Jun 1997, Rob Browning wrote: > Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > This really is an _excellent_ idea! So, we just need a volunteer to > > implement and maintain this "upstream library". (The packaging for Debian > > should not be a problem.) > > Ideally we could provide C

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote: [snip] > > I'm somehow confused now. Is registering to "dwww" any different from the > > "menu" system? Joost, perhaps you can give use some hints here (I think > > Jim is offline now). > > It used to be the same, and that's why I also asked Jim about t

Obsolete package CGI-modules (hamm)

1997-06-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, With the advent of perl 5.004, the package CGI-modules is now obsolete (all the libraries are present in the new Perl package). It should be therefore removed from hamm. Could the powers that be take care of this please? manoj, ex-maintainer of CGI-modules -- "In

kernel images and psdatabase

1997-06-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, On debian-user, I noticed that apparently one does not need to carry around /boot/psdatabase, since ps can read the information from System.map. Is there anything at all that needs psdatabase? If there is no other reason to keep psdatabase, I'll modify kernel-package not t

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 15 Jun 1997, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > I have another policy issue which is related to topic 11 (see below). > > The current layout of Info entries in the main Info menu (in the file > /usr/info/dir) looks rather messy. I found the following "descrepencies": > > - not all packages are p

Re: Package priorities and dependencies.

1997-06-16 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > So IMHO you should have added to your initial list of packages the ones on > > which they depend, until all dependencies are satisfied. dselect does this > > automatically. If you don't like it, it is supposed to be done by hand. > > If this is true then ther

Re: Obsolete package CGI-modules (hamm)

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 16 Jun 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > With the advent of perl 5.004, the package CGI-modules is now > obsolete (all the libraries are present in the new Perl package). > > It should be therefore removed from hamm. Could the powers > that be take care of this please? Gu

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Fernando
> > TOPIC 8: packages have to specify their source urls > --- > STATUS: DISCUSSION > In addition to what you propose below, I think that "dpkg -I" should be concerned with some of that info. Specifically, three important fields are missing: A

Re: Obsolete package CGI-modules (hamm)

1997-06-16 Thread Scott K. Ellis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 16 Jun 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > With the advent of perl 5.004, the package CGI-modules is now > obsolete (all the libraries are present in the new Perl package). > > It should be therefore removed from hamm. Could the powers > that be ta

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > TOPIC 7: new definition of ``free software'' This is only about the "main" section. In addition to that, I wonder why we are supporting this packages in the `contrib' section: * whose copyright permission n

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > TOPIC 11: policy about including documentation > > The current policy concerning docs is: > > - HTML is the preferred format > - if the package includes docs than can be converted into HTML, >th

what wants dpkg-gencontrol to tell me?

1997-06-16 Thread Christian Leutloff
Hello! # dpkg-gencontrol dpkg-gencontrol: failure: chown new files list file: Illegal seek I can't figure out what dpkg-gencontrol want to tell me 8-( Even old packages which build pretty fine some weeks ago, fails this way. As there is no verbose option, I don't know where I have to look 8-((

Re: Unresolved symbols with ibmtr_cs PCMCIA module

1997-06-16 Thread Stephen Zander
Brian Mays wrote: > If anyone needs these packages now, before they can be included into > the distribution, send me a message and I can e-mail them using either > MIME encoding or uuencode. Could I ftp copy from somehwere? My fire-wall gets sensetive about large mailings Stephen --- "Normality

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The current structure (of packages installed on my system) is: > > Miscellaneous > Development > Document Preparation > Information > Emacs > Programming > teTeX >

Re: what wants dpkg-gencontrol to tell me?

1997-06-16 Thread Sven Rudolph
Christian Leutloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > # dpkg-gencontrol > dpkg-gencontrol: failure: chown new files list file: Illegal seek > > I can't figure out what dpkg-gencontrol want to tell me 8-( That's a bug, you have to use dpkg-dev from development. Sven -- Sven Rudolph <[EMAIL P

Re: what wants dpkg-gencontrol to tell me?

1997-06-16 Thread Mark Eichin
> dpkg-gencontrol: failure: chown new files list file: Illegal seek It means that you don't have a utmp entry for that shell. Upgrade to a newer dpkg-dev (probably from unstable) for a version that just whines about the lack of utmp entry, instead of actually breaking... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM

Re: Debian target audience

1997-06-16 Thread joost witteveen
> The problem of having both libc5 and libc6 run-time libraries is minor, > the main one is that those stuck with libc5-dev cannot use other > newly-available versions of *libraries* from hamm. How do you mean? You can install the *libraries* just fine, it's just the development versions that fai

File Locking

1997-06-16 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
Everything I know about file locking[1], I've learned from the short chapter on it in "Beginning Linux Programming" (WROX Press), part of a chapter that I've only skimmed in "UNIX Systems Programming for SYSVr4" (O'Reilly), and from the manual pages to `fcntl', `flock', `lockf', `open', and `lockf

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-16 Thread Erik B. Andersen
I cannot agree more. We should definatly add these fields to the .deb package format! This will involve a bit of work, but will be VERY worth it. No more licensing surprises, for instance. -Erik -- Erik B. Andersen Web:http://www.inconnect.com/~andersen/ email: [EMA