Thomas Goirand writes:
> On 03/19/2012 07:02 PM, Arto Jantunen wrote:
>> I'm not sure if it would help if all of the media players Debian
>> distributes were crippled so that they could be used to play dvd's via
>> libdvdcss but not copy them (or which is the tool to circumvent, the
>> decrypter
On 03/19/2012 07:02 PM, Arto Jantunen wrote:
> I'm not sure if it would help if all of the media players Debian
> distributes were crippled so that they could be used to play dvd's via
> libdvdcss but not copy them (or which is the tool to circumvent, the
> decrypter or the copier).
>
If a DVD i
On 03/19/2012 01:09 PM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> 2012/3/18 Thomas Goirand :
>
>> On 03/18/2012 08:53 AM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
>>
>>> It's a cliche comparison but still, CSS decryption is the knife and
>>> DMCA is the murder; the fact that murder is illegal does not imply
>>> that knives are
Romain Beauxis writes:
> 2012/3/18 Thomas Goirand :
>> On 03/18/2012 08:53 AM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
>>> It's a cliche comparison but still, CSS decryption is the knife and
>>> DMCA is the murder; the fact that murder is illegal does not imply
>>> that knives are.
>>>
>> Well, the whole concept o
2012/3/18 Thomas Goirand :
> On 03/18/2012 08:53 AM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
>> It's a cliche comparison but still, CSS decryption is the knife and
>> DMCA is the murder; the fact that murder is illegal does not imply
>> that knives are.
>>
> Well, the whole concept of DMCA is to make knives illegal!
Andres Mejia writes:
> Note that Christian Marillat is a Debian Developer. He should be
> subscribed to this list.
There is no requirement that a Debian Developer be subscribed to
debian-devel, only debian-devel-announce.
If I were Christian and saw a thread in debian-devel, even assuming I was
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Sunday, March 18, 2012 17:13:55, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> On 12-03-18 at 04:48pm, Chris Knadle wrote:
>> > On Sunday, March 18, 2012 13:23:13, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> > > On 03/18/2012 09:50 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
>> > > > Some public d
On Sunday, March 18, 2012 17:13:55, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> On 12-03-18 at 04:48pm, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 18, 2012 13:23:13, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > > On 03/18/2012 09:50 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > > > Some public discussion with the repository maintainer about this
> > > >
On 12-03-18 at 04:48pm, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Sunday, March 18, 2012 13:23:13, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > On 03/18/2012 09:50 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > > Some public discussion with the repository maintainer about this
> > > might be warranted. Such would be worhwhile even if the outcome
> >
On Sunday, March 18, 2012 13:23:13, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 03/18/2012 09:50 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > Some public discussion with the repository maintainer about this might be
> > warranted. Such would be worhwhile even if the outcome is not what is
> > desired, because at least then there w
On 03/18/2012 09:50 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
> Some public discussion with the repository maintainer about this might be
> warranted. Such would be worhwhile even if the outcome is not what is
> desired, because at least then there will be a public record of where d-m.o
> and d.o stand.
>
deb
On Sunday, March 18, 2012 04:51:10, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Chris Knadle writes:
> >> On Saturday, March 17, 2012 21:53:18, Russ Allbery wrote:
> >>> Hence the Debian patent policy.
> >>>
> >>> We can't just ignore things like this, nor
On 03/18/2012 08:53 AM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> It's a cliche comparison but still, CSS decryption is the knife and
> DMCA is the murder; the fact that murder is illegal does not imply
> that knives are.
>
Well, the whole concept of DMCA is to make knives illegal!
Please read a bit more about it
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Chris Knadle writes:
>> On Saturday, March 17, 2012 21:53:18, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
>>> Hence the Debian patent policy.
>
>>> We can't just ignore things like this, nor is it responsible use of
>>> project resources to openly flaunt disobedie
On 18/03/2012 02:24, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Which distro provides Blu-Ray playback?
Even though there is libaacs and friends now... the MKBs are only
publicly known till version ... what? ... 10?
As long as it remains free of charge and available, you can package
makemkv in non-f
Chris Knadle writes:
> On Saturday, March 17, 2012 21:53:18, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Hence the Debian patent policy.
>> We can't just ignore things like this, nor is it responsible use of
>> project resources to openly flaunt disobedience to laws, however
>> ill-conceived. But neither is it Debi
On Saturday, March 17, 2012 21:53:18, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Christoph Anton Mitterer writes:
> > In principle you're right,.. but we start to enter a path of doom if we
> > censor ourself like this...
> >
> > You'll probably be able to find thousands of places in any distro, where
> > some patent
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes:
> In principle you're right,.. but we start to enter a path of doom if we
> censor ourself like this...
> You'll probably be able to find thousands of places in any distro, where
> some patent troll or content mafia organisations pretend to have
> "rights" on.
H
On Sun, 2012-03-11 at 00:56 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Because it's not illegal in just Kbanga.
> The content providers are doing
> their best to make it illegal everywhere, and would potentially harass
> Debian as an organization in rather more than just one country if we
> distribute decss.
On Sun, 2012-03-11 at 10:02 +0100, Eric Valette wrote:
> Again, I can understand the reasons, but an average user expects to be
> able to read dvd or blue-ray or to get a decent multimedia player.
>
> Other distribution do have ways to provide it to their users.
Which distro provides Blu-Ray pla
2012/3/17 Arto Jantunen :
> Thomas Goirand writes:
>
>> On 03/17/2012 06:11 AM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
>>> 2012/3/11 Mike Hommey
>>>
The problem is: decss is illegal in very much more than just the US.
This is a very different situation.
>>> Orly? Do you know of any law and/or court
Thomas Goirand writes:
> On 03/17/2012 06:11 AM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
>> 2012/3/11 Mike Hommey
>>
>>> The problem is: decss is illegal in very much more than just the US.
>>> This is a very different situation.
>>>
>> Orly? Do you know of any law and/or court case backing this assertion
On 03/17/2012 06:11 AM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> 2012/3/11 Mike Hommey
>
>> The problem is: decss is illegal in very much more than just the US.
>> This is a very different situation.
>>
> Orly? Do you know of any law and/or court case backing this assertion?
>
> Romain
>
There is a DMCA
On 03/17/2012 05:15 AM, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 04:30:35AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>
>> Also, why not writing the DVD image on your HDD?
>>
> How'd you loan that to a friend?
>
Are you sure you can lend *a copy* to a friend?
> What exactly are you arguing: tha
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Reinhard Tartler
wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Chris Knadle
wrote:
> >> On Monday, March 05, 2012 10:42:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to
> >>> not replace librari
On Friday, March 16, 2012 16:30:35, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 03/17/2012 03:16 AM, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > On Friday, March 16, 2012 13:13:30, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> >> Resampling could be termed a derivative work, not a backup copy since
> >> you are throwing away information contained in the
2012/3/11 Mike Hommey
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:16:47AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 03:53:18AM +, brian m. carlson wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 01:39:13AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:00:30AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
>
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Chris Knadle
> wrote:
>> On Monday, March 05, 2012 10:42:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
>> ...
>>> Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to
>>> not replace libraries such as libavc
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 04:30:35AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Also, why not writing the DVD image on your HDD?
How'd you loan that to a friend?
What exactly are you arguing: that someone should never need to resample a DVD?
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Monday, March 05, 2012 10:42:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> ...
>> Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to
>> not replace libraries such as libavcodec and friends have failed
>> ultimatively (BTW, that is part of
On 03/17/2012 03:16 AM, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Friday, March 16, 2012 13:13:30, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
>
>> Resampling could be termed a derivative work, not a backup copy since you
>> are throwing away information contained in the original.
>>
> That may be, but some source media is >
On Friday, March 16, 2012 13:13:30, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:20:22PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 15, 2012 16:11:00, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:48:02AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
> > > > Why so? If I make a copy for backu
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 08:20:22PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 16:11:00, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:48:02AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
> > > Why so? If I make a copy for backup and want to use it, how would I do
> > > that without use of decss
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 12:21:14AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 04:11:00PM -0400, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:48:02AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
> > >
> > > Why so? If I make a copy for backup and want to use it, how would I do
> > > that withou
On Monday, March 05, 2012 10:42:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
...
> Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to
> not replace libraries such as libavcodec and friends have failed
> ultimatively (BTW, that is part of the reason why we've ended up with
> an epoch of '4', dmo use
Hi,
Le 15/03/2012 20:20, Chris Knadle a écrit :
> It would be nice to have some clear instructions on how to set up a Pin to
> lower the priority in apt for d-m.o packages. Will the following do the
> trick?
>
>Package: *
>Pin: origin "www.debian-multimedia.org"
>Pin-Priority: 100
On Thursday, March 15, 2012 16:11:00, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:48:02AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
> > Why so? If I make a copy for backup and want to use it, how would I do
> > that without use of decss or similar? Or is making a backup copy no
> > legitimate use anymore?
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 04:11:00PM -0400, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:48:02AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
> >
> > Why so? If I make a copy for backup and want to use it, how would I do
> > that without use of decss or similar? Or is making a backup copy no
> > legitimate use
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:48:02AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
>
> Why so? If I make a copy for backup and want to use it, how would I do
> that without use of decss or similar? Or is making a backup copy no
> legitimate use anymore?
>
You don't need decss to make a backup copy of a DVD. All you ha
Eric Valette writes:
> Again, I can understand the reasons, but an average user expects to be
> able to read dvd or blue-ray or to get a decent multimedia player.
People are right to expect free use of the things they acquire legally.
That doesn't change the fact that the copyright and patent la
[CC Eric - drop all other CCs]
On 12-03-11 at 03:54pm, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Eric Valette wrote:
> > On 10/03/2012 11:14, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > >Debian Squeeze has a very nice set of packages that will make a
> > >good fit for this platform. What d
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Eric Valette wrote:
> On 10/03/2012 11:14, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> >Debian Squeeze has a very nice set of packages that will make
> >a good fit for this platform. What do you think will be lacking
> >exactly?
>
> XBMC, up to date ffmpeg at least with some
Actually official debian does not offers this and is furthermore
criticizing good willing people that try to make Debian useable in a
multimedia/HTPC system.
official Debian is not criticising anyone here. This is just debian-
devel@l.d.o: some people ranting, some discussing and some totally of
When exactly was vlc not up-to-date on Debian?
As long as it is unable to play dvd or various codec that are non
supported given the option for compiling libav for example
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Valette disait :
> Yes acknowledged that vlc and mplayer are now up-to-date.
vlc 0.5.3 was released on April, 8 2003. Debian package on April, 14 2003.
vlc 0.8.6a was released on January, 4 2007. Debian package on January
On Sonntag, 11. März 2012, Eric Valette wrote:
> Actually official debian does not offers this and is furthermore
> criticizing good willing people that try to make Debian useable a
> multimedia/HTPC system.
official Debian is not criticising anyone here. This is just debian-
devel@l.d.o: some peo
When the totem law of Kbanga declares that displaying any words with two
consonant clusters is illegal on Fridays, the rest of the world doesn't
suffer. Being able to pop in a DVD and play it is something an average
person takes for granted. If oppressive laws in a single country stop a
good par
On 03/11/2012 04:16 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> When the totem law of Kbanga declares that displaying any words with two
> consonant clusters is illegal on Fridays, the rest of the world doesn't
> suffer. Being able to pop in a DVD and play it is something an average
> person takes for granted. If
Luk Claes writes:
> On 03/11/2012 09:37 AM, Mike Hommey wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:16:47AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
>>> When the totem law of Kbanga declares that displaying any words with
>>> two consonant clusters is illegal on Fridays, the rest of the world
>>> doesn't suffer. Be
On 03/11/2012 09:37 AM, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:16:47AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 03:53:18AM +, brian m. carlson wrote:
>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 01:39:13AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:00:30AM +1100, Ben Finn
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 09:16:47AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 03:53:18AM +, brian m. carlson wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 01:39:13AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:00:30AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> > > > Your complaint, then, is ag
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 03:53:18AM +, brian m. carlson wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 01:39:13AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:00:30AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> > > Your complaint, then, is against those who use the law to restrict your
> > > use of your legally-
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 01:39:13AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:00:30AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Your complaint, then, is against those who use the law to restrict your
> > use of your legally-acquired DVD or Blu-Ray disc and disingenuously call
> > it “protection”.
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:00:30AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> Eric Valette writes:
> > With actual policy (that I respect and understand), you are not going
> > to provide stuff to circumvent protection means meaning I cannot watch
> > even a dvd.
>
> Your complaint, then, is against those who us
Eric Valette writes:
> Thanks for not copying me. Afraid I was going to answer?
This mailing list, like all sensibly-run mailing lists, does not munge
the ‘Reply-To’ field. If you have a conversation in a public forum, the
onus is on you to participate in the discussion in that public forum.
>
On 12-03-10 at 04:39pm, Eric Valette wrote:
> >> take a look at yavdr, openelec, geexbox, ubuntu studio and the
> >> packages they provide
> >>
> >>
> >> Readhttp://thelinuxcauldron.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/the-list-the-top-5-media-center-programs-for-linux/
> >> and see the one you have.
> >
> take a look at yavdr, openelec, geexbox, ubuntu studio and the
> packages they provide
>
>
Readhttp://thelinuxcauldron.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/the-list-the-top-5-media-center-programs-for-linux/
> and see the one you have.
Ahh, so your definition of "serious multimedia" is "media centers"
On 12-03-10 at 01:34pm, Eric Valette wrote:
> On 10/03/2012 12:40, Philip Hands wrote:
>
> >Really?
>
> Again, vlc or mplayer do not make a multi-media capable distribution.
>
> take a look at yavdr, openelec, geexbox, ubuntu studio and the
> packages they provide
>
> Read
> http://thelinuxca
On 12-03-10 at 12:30pm, Eric Valette wrote:
> Yes acknowledged that vlc and mplayer are now up-to-date.
>
> Libav vs ffmpeg could be per se part of the debate. We could also
> speak about compilation options and induced feature/codec support
>
> what about xbmc, mythv, tvheadend, avidemux?
Well
On 10/03/2012 12:40, Philip Hands wrote:
Really?
Again, vlc or mplayer do not make a multi-media capable distribution.
take a look at yavdr, openelec, geexbox, ubuntu studio and the packages
they provide
Read
http://thelinuxcauldron.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/the-list-the-top-5-media-center
On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:44:50 +0100, Eric Valette wrote:
> On 10/03/2012 11:14, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>
> > In where? Stable? SID? Backports? FYI, you can check all
> > of this easily by yourself using packages.debian.org. Or
> > are you trying to make the point that Debian has outdated
> > packag
Yes acknowledged that vlc and mplayer are now up-to-date.
Libav vs ffmpeg could be per se part of the debate. We could also speak
about compilation options and induced feature/codec support
what about xbmc, mythv, tvheadend, avidemux?
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On 10/03/2012 12:03, Eric Valette wrote:
On 10/03/2012 11:44, Eric Valette wrote:
I know the version already yes. And yes debian is completely outdated.
To be fair, but catching up at least for vlc, mplayer...
Still no xbmc, handbrake, libdvbcsa tough and quite old ffmpeg
mythtv, tvheadend
On 10/03/2012 11:44, Eric Valette wrote:
I know the version already yes. And yes debian is completely outdated.
To be fair, but catching up at least for vlc, mplayer...
Still no xbmc, handbrake, libdvbcsa tough and quite old ffmpeg
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On Sat, 2012-03-10 at 11:44 +0100, Eric Valette wrote:
> I ask you a question: what are the version of the packeges in debian
> unstable and in debian-multimedia.org trying to be factual. I know the
> answer, I just would like someone from debian to write it down ;-)
>
> I know the version alrea
On 10/03/2012 11:14, Thomas Goirand wrote:
In where? Stable? SID? Backports? FYI, you can check all
of this easily by yourself using packages.debian.org. Or
are you trying to make the point that Debian has outdated
packages?
I ask you a question: what are the version of the packeges in debian
On 03/10/2012 05:07 PM, Eric Valette wrote:
> The problem is that debian per se
> 1) is unusable for any serious multimedia usage.
1/ I don't agree.
2/ Please define "serious".
> what are the version of VLC, ffmpeg, xbmc provided by debian?
In where? Stable? SID? Backports? FYI, you can chec
While debian-multimedia.org has gained a reputation of providing
packages, which were desperately lacking in Debian,
IMO this repository has turned into a major source of trouble and
pissed users provoking flamewars in the recent past. There is still a
number of remaining multimedia-related packag
On 2012-03-08 12:35:53 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2012-03-08, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > It's worse than that. Security support is non-existent, and users
> > don't know that. An example: [… non-free package …]
>
> Well, non-free in Debian proper doesn't have security support neither. But
>
On 2012-03-08, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> It's worse than that. Security support is non-existent, and users
> don't know that. An example: [… non-free package …]
Well, non-free in Debian proper doesn't have security support neither. But
then I guess one could argue that users at least know that th
On 2012-03-05 16:42:50 +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to
> not replace libraries such as libavcodec and friends have failed
> ultimatively (BTW, that is part of the reason why we've ended up with
> an epoch of '4', dmo uses epoch '5
Hey.
Stupid question... but even for those packages, which Debian provides
now itself (by the fine work of the pkg-multimedia-maintainers)... are
they build with all the options enabled?
I believe to remember that there were some cases where mp4 stuff was
disabled then...
I surely haven't had t
On Di, 06 Mär 2012, Andreas Tille wrote:
> I wonder what criterion of serios bug would apply here. Just for the
> sake of interest because I do not intend to implement this personally.
Too lazy to search for it, but overriding a configuration of a
system admin is for sure not allowed. If it would
On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 10:23:33AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Di, 06 Mär 2012, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > the Blends framework. I would most probably drop some file
> > >
> > >/etc/apt/preferences.d/01-disable-dmo.pref
> > >
> > > in multimedia-config metapackage (where all other
On Di, 06 Mär 2012, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > the Blends framework. I would most probably drop some file
> >
> >/etc/apt/preferences.d/01-disable-dmo.pref
> >
> > in multimedia-config metapackage (where all other metapackages usually
And I would file a serious bug against that. There is
On 12-03-05 at 11:04pm, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:42:50PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> > In summary, I can only advise everyone against enabling that
> > repository on any machine.
>
> If I would have time to become a pkg-multimedia member I would try to
> establish i
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:42:50PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> In summary, I can only advise everyone against enabling that
> repository on any machine.
If I would have time to become a pkg-multimedia member I would try to
establish installing multimedia applications via metapackages build be
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