On 09/21/2015 06:12 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>>> (It seems they are implicitly considered a master when updating the
>>> bikeshed's ACLs) I would have thought "Owner:" would make more sense
>>> than "Master:" fwiw.
>>
>> Then you end up having
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:14:04PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 08:39:19PM +0200, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone mentioned git?
>
> No, nor split.
>
biff ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biff#Origin_and_name )
Groeten
Geert Stappers
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On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 08:39:19PM +0200, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
> On 23 September 2015 at 00:16, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount
> > ; sleep
>
> Has anyone mentioned git?
No, nor split.
--
"If you're not careful, the new
On 09/17/2015 05:41 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this nami
On 23 September 2015 at 00:16, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ;
> sleep
Has anyone mentioned git?
Jeff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 06:52:41PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Robert Edmonds , 2015-09-17, 15:04:
> >Wookey wrote:
> [...]
> >>Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in the unix tradition of mildly
> >>amusing/punny names.
> >
> >Which tradition would that be?
> >
> >Out of the few hundred or so Unix [
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 10:58:15 +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 06:41:53PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> > * Joerg Jaspert , 2015-09-17, 13:42:
> > >I defined the possible commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature,
> >
> > It's the first time I hear about the "bikeshed featur
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 06:41:53PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Joerg Jaspert , 2015-09-17, 13:42:
> >I defined the possible commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature,
>
> It's the first time I hear about the "bikeshed feature". Perhaps you should
> explain the term first.
>
> (Believe it or not
On 14071 March 1977, Anthony Towns wrote:
>> > For the "Master" and "Uploader" fields, it would probably be nice if
>> > you could specify DDs by uid instead of just fingerprint. (Especially
>> > so that updates to the keyring were automatically reflected in bikeshed
>> > permissions)
>> Fingerprin
Hi,
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > (It seems they are implicitly considered a master when updating the
> > bikeshed's ACLs) I would have thought "Owner:" would make more sense
> > than "Master:" fwiw.
>
> Then you end up having multiple owners. Master IMO shows better what the
> in
On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 03:48:24PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > That's unusual. Is having multiple packages on a single header also
> > valid? eg:
> > Package: glibc, systemd, sysvinit
> > ?
> I think it's cleaner to have one per package tag, but its either that or
> only one line, comma-seper
On 14070 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 03:48:24PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> I've updated https://ftp-master.debian.org/users/joerg/README.commands> with
>> hopefully not too many new errors. :)
> Minor nit (assuming I've got the naming convention right).
Tha
On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 03:48:24PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> I've updated https://ftp-master.debian.org/users/joerg/README.commands
> with hopefully not too many new errors. :)
Minor nit (assuming I've got the naming convention right).
--- README.commands.orig2015-09-20 17:33:11.75259
On 09/18/2015 02:51 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 01:29:22PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
>> +++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]:
>>> We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes we do!
>>
>>
>
> Should we leave this naming to t
On 14070 March 1977, Anthony Towns wrote:
>> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
>> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
> dcut from dput-ng uses $login-$timestamp rather than "EPOCH" per se. Does
> this actually matter, or is it just conventi
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 01:42:58PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
dcut from dput-ng uses $login-$timestamp rather than "EPOCH" per se. Does
this actually matter, or is
Le jeudi 17 septembre 2015 à 13:42 +0200, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
> https://ftp-master.debian.org/users/joerg/README.commands
Thanks for the documentation (and for the code!).
How do you upload a package to a bikeshed? Just set bs-whatever as the
suite in the changes file?
--
.''`. Joss
Hi,
Philip Hands wrote:
> Colin Tuckley writes:
>
> > On 18/09/15 22:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> >
> >> what the heck bikesheds are.
> >
> > What you seem to not be understanding, possibly because English is not
> > your first language, is that anything associated with the term
> > 'bikeshed' is
Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 17/09/15 at 15:04 -0400, Robert Edmonds wrote:
> > Wookey wrote:
> > > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big
> > >
On 17/09/15 at 15:04 -0400, Robert Edmonds wrote:
> Wookey wrote:
> > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> > > > in it. Patches/git trees to m
Colin Tuckley writes:
> On 18/09/15 22:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>
>> what the heck bikesheds are.
>
> What you seem to not be understanding, possibly because English is not
> your first language, is that anything associated with the term
> 'bikeshed' is very *negative*.
>
> They have strong derog
On 18/09/15 22:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> what the heck bikesheds are.
What you seem to not be understanding, possibly because English is not
your first language, is that anything associated with the term
'bikeshed' is very *negative*.
They have strong derogatory connotations, so much so that I
On 14067 March 1977, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Second, the reason why I started writing: I defined the possible
> commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature, which use the same command
> interface as the DM commands do.
And there has been the very valid point that I haven't explained here
what the he
On 14068 March 1977, Ian Jackson wrote:
> It's a lovely joke but unfortunately the word `bikeshed' already means
> something else in a computer/geeky context. So these things
> shouldn't be called bikesheds for the same reason that a computer
> shouldn't be called `down' or `internet'.
> If we wan
+++ Jakub Wilk [2015-09-18 18:52 +0200]:
> * Robert Edmonds , 2015-09-17, 15:04:
> >Wookey wrote:
> "less"
& "most" (most is great and hardly ever installed on a random box, which is a
pity. Try it.)
Wookey
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* Robert Edmonds , 2015-09-17, 15:04:
Wookey wrote:
[...]
Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in the unix tradition of mildly
amusing/punny names.
Which tradition would that be?
Out of the few hundred or so Unix [0] and GNU [1] commands listed on
Wikipedia, the only vaguely amusing/punning nam
* Joerg Jaspert , 2015-09-17, 13:42:
I defined the possible commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature,
It's the first time I hear about the "bikeshed feature". Perhaps you
should explain the term first.
(Believe it or not, most debian-devel readers were not at DebConf.)
But whatever it's s
* Lars Wirzenius , 2015-09-18, 15:51:
Should we leave this naming to the people actually doing the work to
implement this?
Indeed! It's a fundamental rule of Debian do-o-cracy that you should
never listen to people who are not doing the work, as they can't
possibly be right about anything.
On Sep 18 2015, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 01:29:22PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
>> +++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]:
>> > We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes we do!
>>
>>
>
> Should we leave this naming to the p
On 2015-09-18 14:03:17 +0100 (+0100), Ian Jackson wrote:
[...]
> they could be called some other kind of shed or hut or something.
[...]
While marvellously entertaining, I can only hope that the irony of
this protracted debate is not entirely lost on its participants.
--
Jeremy Stanley
Wookey writes ("Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds"):
> It wasn't supposed to be a joke. Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in
> the unix tradition of mildly amusing/punny names.
It's a lovely joke but unfortunately the word `bikeshed' already means
something else in a co
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 01:29:22PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> +++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]:
> > We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description
>
>
>
> Oh yes we do!
>
>
Should we leave this naming to the people actually doing the work to
implement this?
Al
+++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]:
> We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description
Oh yes we do!
(Possibly another British tradition that will be somewhat mysterious to the
rest of the world :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime#Performance_conventio
Someone wrote (I can't work out who in the nested quotes):
> There is a strong British tradition, exported to a range of other
> countries, of engineers toiling away in garden sheds, inventing
> stuff - be it cars, engines, radios, metalwork, carpentry ...
> anything someone can produce which req
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Geert Stappers wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:17:22PM +0200, Mathias Behrle wrote:
>> * Neil Williams: " Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds" (Thu, 17 Sep 2015
>> 17:44:11 +0100):
>> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100 Dominic
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:17:22PM +0200, Mathias Behrle wrote:
> * Neil Williams: " Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds" (Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:44:11
> +0100):
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100 Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> >
> > There is a strong British tradi
* Neil Williams: " Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds" (Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:44:11
+0100):
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100
> Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:19:57PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> I concur that this sort of wordplay in naming is a *nix tradition;
> however, I withhold comment as to whether the name "bikeshed" is
> appropriate in this case, as the first I remember hearing about them is
> this thread and I don't k
On 2015-09-17 at 15:04, Robert Edmonds wrote:
> Wookey wrote:
>
>> +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
>>> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode
>>> this naming in the suggested API. It was funny during one Debconf
>>> talk... but it won't be funny in the long t
Le jeudi 17 septembre 2015 à 18:52 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> Not to mention that this bikeshed thread about the Bikeshed name is
> going to be both epic and very meta.
I herd you like bikesheds…
--
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: :' :
`. `'
`-
Wookey wrote:
> +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> > > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
> >
> > Please don't call this featu
Steve McIntyre writes:
> Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>>On 14067 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
>>> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> It wasn't supposed to be a joke. Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in
> the unix tradition of mildly amusing/punny names.
Not to mention that this bikeshed thread about the Bikeshed name is
going to be both epic and very meta.
--
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100
Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> > > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welc
Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>On 14067 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>>> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
>>> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
>> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this naming
>> in the suggested
+++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
>
> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardc
On 14067 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
>> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this naming
> in the suggested API. It was funny during
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 02:41:11PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
>
> Please don't call this feature "Bikeshe
Hi,
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this naming
in the suggested API. It was funny during on
On Monday, April 01, 2013 09:32:19 PM Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 04/01/2013 08:37 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this
> > could get us to a release really soon.
> >
> > Scott K
>
> My understanding is that such cron is set to run
]] Enrico Zini
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:15:39PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>
> > In order to get the release timing for Debian to fit in just one CD
> > under such construction, I suggest you take the average size of
> > packages and multiply it by the space we need to save. Then we can run
>
On 04/01/2013 08:37 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this
> could
> get us to a release really soon.
>
> Scott K
My understanding is that such cron is set to run once a year,
at the same date as today... :)
Thomas
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On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:15:39PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> In order to get the release timing for Debian to fit in just one CD
> under such construction, I suggest you take the average size of
> packages and multiply it by the space we need to save. Then we can run
> a contest similar to Chris
Quoting Ansgar Burchardt (ans...@debian.org):
> Scott Kitterman writes:
> > Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this
> > could
> > get us to a release really soon.
>
> While britney still removes packages from testing that are no longer in
> unstable, it only doe
Scott Kitterman writes:
> Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this
> could
> get us to a release really soon.
While britney still removes packages from testing that are no longer in
unstable, it only does so when this doesn't make (other) packages in
testing unin
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 01:07:32AM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> The residents of #debian-uk are pleased to announce that, in conjunction with
> our friendly FTP masters, dak-roulette has just been activated in cron on
> ftp-master.debian.org targetting unstable and no particular maintainer.
Samuel Thibault dijo [Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 02:40:56AM +0200]:
> Scott Kitterman, le Sun 31 Mar 2013 20:37:38 -0400, a écrit :
> > > dak-roulette(1)
> >
> > Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this
> > could
> > get us to a release really soon.
>
> Which could eve
Scott Kitterman, le Sun 31 Mar 2013 20:37:38 -0400, a écrit :
> > dak-roulette(1)
>
> Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this
> could
> get us to a release really soon.
Which could even fit on just one CD!
Samuel
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On Monday, April 01, 2013 01:07:32 AM Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> The residents of #debian-uk are pleased to announce that, in conjunction
> with our friendly FTP masters, dak-roulette has just been activated in cron
> on ftp-master.debian.org targetting unstable and no particular maintainer.
>
>
Hi,
> Adeodato> Depends: foo (>= 0.8), foo (<< 0.9~)
>
> Can I assume that the first one will accept version 0.9~rc1, but the
> second one wont?
You're right. The empty string at the end of '0.9~' counts as zero in
lexical comparison. Thus 0.8 < 0.9~ < 0.9~rc1.
Cheers,
Sebastian
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> "Adeodato" == Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Adeodato> Package: foo-plugin Depends: foo (>= 0.8), foo (<<
Adeodato> 0.9)
Adeodato> Will probably want to move to:
Adeodato> Depends: foo (>= 0.8), foo (<< 0.9~)
Can I assume that the first one will accept versi
* martin f krafft [Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:58:35 +0100]:
> ... I guess it's time to break the news that Debian now supports the
> ~-character as part of the version number of its packages!
Thanks to all that made this possible.
> However, I am sure you are aware that the feature is to be
> considere
* Don Armstrong:
>> Should we really start using this feature even though it violates
>> section 5.6.12 of the Policy?
>
> Policy was written like that because the changes delineated in
> martin's message had yet to be implemented. It should be updated
> accordingly, but that by itself is no reaso
cc'ing debian-policy for their feedback...
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:21:10PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * martin f. krafft:
>
> > Thanks to the work of our DPL Anthony "aj" Towns (and all the other
> > people who have worked on this without my knowledge), I am happy to
> > announce that dak,
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * martin f. krafft:
>
> > Thanks to the work of our DPL Anthony "aj" Towns (and all the other
> > people who have worked on this without my knowledge), I am happy to
> > announce that dak, our archive management software, finally supports
> > the use of
* martin f. krafft:
> Thanks to the work of our DPL Anthony "aj" Towns (and all the other
> people who have worked on this without my knowledge), I am happy to
> announce that dak, our archive management software, finally supports
> the use of the tilde ('~') in version numbers.
Should we really
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 03:48:02PM +0100, James Troup wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just updated ftp-master.debian.org to use a new version of dak
> which no longer uses the silly names at all.
>
> This is something I've wanted to do for a long time now (I remember
> discussing it with people at least
Hi,
thanks for the update.
James Troup wrote:
> merkel (DD accessible mirror of spohr)
A propos: The mirroring in /org/ftp.debian.org/ had been reduced/turned
off last fall (due to load problems on spohr[1]), is there any chance to
turn it back on (possibly with a larger interval for updates or
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 01:11:08AM +, James Troup wrote:
> > Err, bullshit, there's doc/*.1.sgml and --help for most of the key
> > scripts.
>
> [1106] [snoopy:unstable:bam] ~/cvswork/dak >helena --help
helena is not a key script. Try again. grep -lir
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 5. What is the dsync-flist used by mkchecksums, and where can I get it
> from? Google search returns nothing.
http://cvs.debian.org/?cvsroot=dsync
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On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 01:11:08AM +, James Troup wrote:
> Err, bullshit, there's doc/*.1.sgml and --help for most of the key
> scripts.
[1106] [snoopy:unstable:bam] ~/cvswork/dak >helena --help
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "helena", line 206, in ?
main();
File "helena", lin
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If I were to clean things up and make DAK easier to use for private
> archives (eg. by isolating all Debian specific stuff, ideally into
> a limited number *.conf files), would somebody be willing
> to commit the changes to CVS?
No one sane agrees to pre-co
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 10:08:16AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> 1. For package installations, DAK will inform both the uploader and the
>maintainer. For private archives should it inform the maintainer?
>Maybe a message "Your package has been installed in the private
>archive at http://...
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 01:21:09AM +, James Troup wrote:
> Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I looked at katie; it seemed to be a complicated and undocumented
> > mess that was a total overkill for my purpose (eg. I don't need a
> > database).
>
> That "complicated and undocumented
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 09:37:39AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> Maybe one day these tools will get better documented, I will be
I would assume the first step might be to give postgresql the
init_pool.sql file, and somehow configure the programs to use this newly
created database?
I would also assume
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