On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 04:18:50PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 03:51:33PM +0100, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> > Well if a bug can be solved by killing the buggy process and getting better
> > functionality than when the process is running is certainly a very very bad
> > bug!
Le Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:06:42AM -0500, James McCoy a écrit :
>
> That being said, I don't have access to most of the packages. Even if I
> did, it feels "dirty" to go and commit to a couple hundred packages I
> have no involvement with instead of adapting two pieces of software to
> deal with
2014-02-11 15:16 GMT-04:30 Maas Verri :
> Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
>
> The people, such as Adrian, who are pushing systemd as the one
> and only init system for debian should be physically harmed.
>
> They are wresting from all of us a nice unix like OS, th
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:04:29PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:39:09PM -0500, James McCoy a écrit :
> >
> > That wasn't clear to me in your previous messages, which is why I
> > presumed you were wanting someone to transition the consumers of the
> > file not the file
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:35 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Seriously, Russ, you should be a writer or a politician *. You're a
> wizard with words. I enjoyed reading that :).
Russ for DPL!
https://lwn.net/Articles/585238/
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On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 07:50:32PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Your email has no old Subject:, no References: and no In-Reply-To: headers.
> So … whatever or whoever you're talking about …
I was confused what it was about too.
I think I've been over-eager with the ^D key in mutt again.
It was
On 02/12/2014 02:21 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I agree wholeheartedly with Wookey on this. If systemd were actually some
> sort of closed black box, I would not want to run it on my systems.
>
> (a poem)
Seriously, Russ, you should be a writer or a politician *. You're a
wizard with words. I enjoy
Wookey writes:
> I've changed all of those bits on my cars at some point, and the fact
> that it was relatively simple to do was, and is, a good thing. I've
> never owned a car with a warranty, and as they only come with one for
> the first few years, they are not that relevant to the majority of
On 02/12/2014 01:26 AM, Wookey wrote:
> Anyone trying to win an argument by suggesting that changing bits of my
> car is a _bad_ thing has a very cock-eyed view of the world.
Ever heard of the German TUEV?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsverein
They will show you who
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:26:11PM +0400, Vitaliy Filippov wrote:
> >You can tell it to do that, yes. You can also set it to forward them to
> >rsyslog without storing anything. Or both.
> >
> >Read http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/journald.conf.5.html and be
> >enlightened. ;-)
>
> OK, it's g
+1
On Feb 11, 2014 7:09 PM, "Marco d'Itri" wrote:
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> | PLEASE DO NOT |:.:\:\:/:/:.:
> | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
> | | '=(\ 9 9 /)='
> |
+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2014-02-11 20:01 +0100]:
> On 02/11/2014 04:19 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > On 02/11/2014 05:27 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> >> No, it's absolutely not. You can have the choice for the interior
> >> design, the paint job, the radio, the type of engine and c
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:30:07PM +0400, Vitaliy Filippov wrote:
> >Here's a challenge then: Implement everything the journal does, without
> >using a binary format, and show us it's not only doable, but performs
> >similarly.
> >
> >I would first recommend you read up - and try! - what the journa
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| PLEASE DO NOT |:.:\:\:/:/:.:
| FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
| | '=(\ 9 9 /)='
| Thank you, |
On 02/11/2014 11:46 AM, Maas Verri wrote:
> Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
>
> The people, such as Adrian, who are pushing systemd as the one
> and only init system for debian should be physically harmed.
Are you aware that saying "let's physically beat systemd
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:38:16PM +0400, Vitaliy Filippov wrote:
> >>5) After all, I don't see why writing 1 regexp is a hard task. And
> >>it won't be really slower because of (4).
> >
> >A regexp is unreliable and slow. Lots of ssh blocking tools have had
> >various security issues due to this.
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:48:07AM -0600, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Matthias Urlichs
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > vita...@yourcmc.ru:
> >> Because I want logs to be plaintext in my system, not binary.
> >>
> > Why? (Seriously.)
>
> To use standard text based tools, e
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 01:18:57PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 02:46:13PM -0500, Maas Verri wrote:
> > Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
>
> It *should* go without saying, but I want to make it clear that as an
> upstart developer, I find
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 02:46:13PM -0500, Maas Verri wrote:
> Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
This is, of course, absolutely intolerable. Regardless of how strongly
you might feel about any technical issue within Debian, resorting to
threats of any kind of violen
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 02:46:13PM -0500, Maas Verri wrote:
> Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
It *should* go without saying, but I want to make it clear that as an
upstart developer, I find this message reprehensible and absolutely
unacceptable. I have technical
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On 11/02/14 21:23, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote:
> Andrey Rahmatullin writes:
>
>> About The Thread.
>
> The Thread That Shall Not Be Named. (to be more precise :)
>
Apply to the thread of your choice - unfortunately there are more than
one
The discussions on init system have discovered much energy of
developers and users,
so I think they are able to use that energy to support multiple systems :-)
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Hi,
Maas Verri:
> Proposal: SystemD pushers/forcers be physically beaten as revenge.
In some (if not most) jurisdictions, this email would be enough to earn
you a stern talking-to by the local police and/or public prosecutor.
Please refrain from sending further hate mails.
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On 11/02/2014 22:45, Dominik George wrote:
> I do not know how many of them are trolls, but the content I had to read
> on this mailing list in the last days is clearly intolerable.
>
> systemd, be it as one init system or as the only init system, wil
Dominik George writes:
> I think we all agree that the init system discussion is far away from
> what is good for the project, under any political andsocial aspect.
> I don't like systemd either, and I do not like the decision of the TC,
> but what annoys me most is the attitude of some (too man
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:37:59 +0100
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Arch, openSUSE and Fedora are among the most popular and widely
> used Linux distributions where most of the upstream development
> happens.
>
Show me the numbers, I completely disagree and developers from those
ditributions s
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:39:10 +0100
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> While they loose the warranty which is my main point.
>
Who needs a warranty when it's so straight forward. These days you have
an engine with a "management system" which you have to fix or convince
the mechanic that the "mana
Hi there,
I think we all agree that the init system discussion is far away from
what is good for the project, under any political andsocial aspect.
I don't like systemd either, and I do not like the decision of the TC,
but what annoys me most is the attitude of some (too many) of my fellow
SysV s
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 02:46:13PM -0500, Maas Verri wrote:
> The people, such as Adrian, who are pushing systemd as the one
> and only init system for debian should be physically harmed.
You are way out of line.
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On 11/02/14 15:19, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Yes, that's my proposal, and as well deprecate sysv-rc in the favor of
> OpenRC, and allow OpenRC runscript files *only* if there's support for
> the default init system (because this way the default init system will
> not use them, so the runscript format
Andrey Rahmatullin writes:
> About The Thread.
The Thread That Shall Not Be Named. (to be more precise :)
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The people, such as Adrian, who are pushing systemd as the one
and only init system for debian should be physically harmed.
They are wresting from all of us a nice unix like OS, they
argue against choice and if they have their way
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On 02/11/2014 08:11 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> I'm under the impression Americans customise almost routinely.
While they loose the warranty which is my main point.
Yes, you can replace your init system with anything you like, but
don't expect everyone else in Debian to actively support you.
Adr
On 02/11/2014 08:11 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> So some distros with relatively few users out of the huge number that
> exist.
These distros which you attest of having a few users are the major
distributions out there. Novell's SLES runs on most of the top500
super computers while RHEL is largely
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You can tell it to do that, yes. You can also set it to forward them to
rsyslog without storing anything. Or both.
Read http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/journald.conf.5.html and be
enlightened. ;-)
OK, it's good they've added "none" option at least... It wasn't there in
the initial journa
previously on this list John Paul Adrian Glaubitz contributed:
> systemd is used as the default init system in:
>
> - Fedora
> - Arch Linux
> - Mageia
> - openSUSE
> - SLES (upcoming)
> - RHEL7
> - Frugalware
> - (see Wikipedia)
>
> Plus companies like Intel and BMW are using it in their embedde
previously on this list John Paul Adrian Glaubitz contributed:
> On 02/11/2014 05:20 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> >> It's like being able to customize internal parts of your cars engine
> >> when ordering one from your dealer. Customers don't care who the
> >> manufacturer of your ignition system i
previously on this list Svante Signell contributed:
> > What I don't get is why are those people trying to push Debian's
> > decision when they are primarily using a different platform. But I
> > guess it's pure politics and trying to push their own projects.
>
> I'm pretty sure there are _many
On 02/11/2014 04:19 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 02/11/2014 05:27 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> No, it's absolutely not. You can have the choice for the interior
>> design, the paint job, the radio, the type of engine and comfort
>> features, but you certainly cannot have the choice on
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 07:50:32PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Andreas Beckmann:
> > It's annoying to read and no longer relates to the discussion.
> > I don't think the original poster deserves this publicity.
> >
> Your email has no old Subject:, no References: and no In-Reply-To:
On 02/11/2014 04:18 PM, Serge Hallyn wrote:
> FWIW, disagree - I rarely set up a machine (little laptop or server or
> container) where I don't need to do one thing or another custom at boot.
> Throttle back cpus to prevent overheating, register dynamic dns,
> whatever.
All of that is possible or
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On 02/11/2014 04:21 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> You're hardly an average user (and I do mean this fondly) :)
Reminds me of this, bro:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmPKDeo9Oow#t=3251
"Do you see how many people are using alternative window ma
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> For instance, a daemon which fails to start under sysvinit will
> not even prevent the services which depend on it from starting up.
> How terminally stupid is that?
Perhaps you should rethink that whilst considering the complexi
Hi,
Vitaliy Filippov:
> >Guess what journald is doing ;-) And if the journal is not running in
> >persistent mode, this extra logfile only exists temporarily and
> >everything is forwarded to rsyslog, so you gat your syslog-textfile
> >(but with much more structured content)
>
> What it's doing?
Hi,
Andreas Beckmann:
> It's annoying to read and no longer relates to the discussion.
> I don't think the original poster deserves this publicity.
>
Your email has no old Subject:, no References: and no In-Reply-To: headers.
So … whatever or whoever you're talking about …
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On 02/11/2014 06:04 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
> Also because when writing a parser, it's easier to determine the
> format (in terms of meaning and start/stop of each field) of a text
> file than it is of a binary one, when working without
> known-relia
On 02/11/2014 06:47 PM, Vitaliy Filippov wrote:
> And to use standard text processing tools, parsers and have a simple way
> of archiving logs, yeah.
It's not simple if you have to write a script for every single service
whose log messages you want to parse.
The journal already gives you an out-o
On 02/11/2014 06:30 PM, Vitaliy Filippov wrote:
> I understand there's more functionality than you can build up only using
> regexes. The point is - I don't understand why an INIT SYSTEM (!)
> should depend on these, generally non-trivial, features.
Because the tasks of init and syslog are ver
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The Wanderer writes:
> Also because when writing a parser, it's easier to determine the format
> (in terms of meaning and start/stop of each field) of a text file than
> it is of a binary one, when working without known-reliable
> documentation. (And I'm not willing to assume that I'll always hav
Because I want logs to be plaintext in my system, not binary.
Why? (Seriously.)
Because I count the wide use of transparent plaintext formats everywhere -
in logs, configs and shell commands is one of the biggest advantages of
Linux/Unix systems.
And to use standard text processing tools
"Vitaliy Filippov" writes:
>> Here's a challenge then: Implement everything the journal does, without
>> using a binary format, and show us it's not only doable, but performs
>> similarly.
>>
>> I would first recommend you read up - and try! - what the journal has to
>> offer. It's not as simple
The Wanderer writes:
> In my case: because I want to be able to read them conveniently at a
> glance, without requiring the presence of a functioning specialized tool
> for doing so. As the UNIX Philosophy puts it, "text streams ... [are] a
> universal interface".
All the folks who are upset abo
5) After all, I don't see why writing 1 regexp is a hard task. And
it won't be really slower because of (4).
A regexp is unreliable and slow. Lots of ssh blocking tools have had
various security issues due to this.
That only depends on whether you know the format of that what you parse.
Bina
Guess what journald is doing ;-) And if the journal is not running in
persistent mode, this extra logfile only exists temporarily and
everything is forwarded to rsyslog, so you gat your syslog-textfile
(but with much more structured content)
What it's doing? Isn't it storing the log files themse
Here's a challenge then: Implement everything the journal does, without
using a binary format, and show us it's not only doable, but performs
similarly.
I would first recommend you read up - and try! - what the journal has to
offer. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.
Given that Debian
> On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>
>> On 02/11/2014 08:13 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> Yes, but we are not talking about hypothetical things. I am also not
>> planning my life for the case that I am winning the lottery tomorrow.
>
> Chances to win the lottery are
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> vita...@yourcmc.ru:
>> Because I want logs to be plaintext in my system, not binary.
>>
> Why? (Seriously.)
To use standard text based tools, eg. grep.
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On 02/11/2014 11:26 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> vita...@yourcmc.ru:
>
>> Because I want logs to be plaintext in my system, not binary.
>
> Why? (Seriously.)
In my case: because I want to be able to read them conveniently at a
glance, w
It's annoying to read and no longer relates to the discussion.
I don't think the original poster deserves this publicity.
Thanks
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On 02/11/2014 17:03, vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote:
>> Try to find an efficient way to show the output of a particular daemon.
>> Now of a cgroup. Now anything of a user. It's not about capturing, it is
>> about doing something useful with it. You want to capture various
>> properties with each message.
vita...@yourcmc.ru writes:
>> It is of course well-known that systemd developers like to make their
>> life more complicated and love to implement binary formats instead of
>> writing simple text parsers, just for the sake of having fun
>> programming
>> them, and absolutely not because they need
Hi,
vita...@yourcmc.ru:
> Because I want logs to be plaintext in my system, not binary.
>
Why? (Seriously.)
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> And if I _really_ needed a binary index, I would put it in a separate file.
Guess what journald is doing ;-) And if the journal is not running in
persistent mode, this extra logfile only exists temporarily and
everything is forwarded to rsyslog, so you gat you
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 07:57:18PM +0400, vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote:
> 2) Binary index isn't needed at all if you just want to print output
> of a service - you can just put output of each unit to its own log
> file and just tail it.
Now show everything of a particular user. Systemd allows you to d
Hi,
Florian Lohoff:
> My estimation is that 99% of the users dont care - sysvinit is
> sufficient and works. 0.5% think they need this little tiny bit
> of feature which only upstart can give them, 0.5% think they need
> a feature only systemd can give them.
(a) please tell us which feature is on
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Excerpts from Josselin Mouette's message of 2014-02-11 07:00:43 -0800:
> Le mardi 11 février 2014 à 18:30 +0400, vita...@yourcmc.ru a écrit :
> > And I don't see why a binary log format is needed to implement the
> > stderr capture.
>
> It is of course well-known that systemd developers like to
Because I want logs to be plaintext in my system, not binary.
Install syslog. Or maybe Debian will use both journal and syslog.
I dislike the idea of binary logs so much that I want to really and
totally disable journal.
And I don't see why a binary log format is needed to implement the
st
On 02/11/2014 07:23 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> IMO (and I'm an interested part / GNOME dude, so no say): blocking
> progress is bad. So if someone wants to add OpenRC scripts to packages
> and maintenance is low: as packager you should be allowing that to
> happen. As long as the time required on pa
It is of course well-known that systemd developers like to make their
life more complicated and love to implement binary formats instead of
writing simple text parsers, just for the sake of having fun
programming
them, and absolutely not because they need things like indexing.
The same goes for
On 02/11/2014 04:31 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
> One point of moving to a system like upstart or systemd is that the
> sysvinit scripts do not run as scripts. They are little tiny declarative
> files that run all or most in C. This speeds up boot, but only makes
> sense if all of the early stage boot t
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 03:51:33PM +0100, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> Well if a bug can be solved by killing the buggy process and getting better
> functionality than when the process is running is certainly a very very bad
> bug!
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On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 06:30:24PM +0400, vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote:
> Because I want logs to be plaintext in my system, not binary.
Install syslog. Or maybe Debian will use both journal and syslog.
> And I don't see why a binary log format is needed to implement the
> stderr capture.
Try to find
Quoting Paul Tagliamonte (paul...@debian.org):
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 03:39:49PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> > I am telling you that by all the technical discussions which of
> > the systems is superior over the other you forget about your users.
>
> Our users shouldn't care what init system
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:05:48AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> I think this touches on - or possibly misses - a key point.
I don't think so.
> I do not trust the systemd project to not do things I consider bad or
> even insane, because they've already done such things, and they show no
> regret
On Tue, 2014-02-11 at 15:47 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> What I don't get is why are those people trying to push Debian's
> decision when they are primarily using a different platform. But I
> guess it's pure politics and trying to push their own projects.
I'm pretty sure there are _
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:18:48AM -0600, Serge Hallyn wrote:
> FWIW, disagree - I rarely set up a machine (little laptop or server or
> container) where I don't need to do one thing or another custom at boot.
> Throttle back cpus to prevent overheating, register dynamic dns,
> whatever.
You're ha
> On Feb 11, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Oleg wrote:
>
> What? I see many people who don't like systemd and won't use it. I don't
> see that systemd is the choice of the _majority_. But i see that systemd
> funs simply shout louder than others.
systemd is used as the default init system in:
- Fedora
-
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Le mardi 11 février 2014 à 18:30 +0400, vita...@yourcmc.ru a écrit :
> And I don't see why a binary log format is needed to implement the
> stderr capture.
It is of course well-known that systemd developers like to make their
life more complicated and love to implement binary formats instead of
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 06:06:39PM +0400, Oleg wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:27:04AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > It's not *my* choice, systemd is the choice of the majority of the
> > Linux community. OpenRC and upstart are used in Gentoo and Ubuntu
>
> What? I see many peo
Well if a bug can be solved by killing the buggy process and getting better
functionality than when the process is running is certainly a very very bad
bug!
> Don't be daft. My audio works perfectly. So does lots of other people's.
>
> If yours doesn't, file a bug.
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On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 07:02:19PM +0400, vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote:
> >Our users shouldn't care what init system we use. It's an
> >implementation -- and purely technical -- detail of the OS.
>
> Sorry to interfere with your discussion, but it really sounds like
> some kind of proprietary software
On 11/02/2014 15:39, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:06:46AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> Thanks for sharing this.
>> So, you're frustrated and very disappointed because Ddebian, something
>> you cared about deeply has drifted so far away from what you want that
>> you can no lon
Our users shouldn't care what init system we use. It's an
implementation -- and purely technical -- detail of the OS.
Sorry to interfere with your discussion, but it really sounds like some
kind of proprietary software idea :)
I'm sure a big percent of GNU/Linux (and especially Debian GNU/Lin
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 03:39:49PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> I am telling you that by all the technical discussions which of
> the systems is superior over the other you forget about your users.
Our users shouldn't care what init system we use. It's an
implementation -- and purely technical -
Because it's work, for no apparent gain. I mean, the systemd people
didn't
just code up all that journal stuff for no good reason, but because
they
perceived a need to have it. And let's face it, the ability to just see
the
stderr output from $FAILED_JOB with "systemctl status" is a whole damn
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 09:06:46AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
> Thanks for sharing this.
> So, you're frustrated and very disappointed because Ddebian, something
> you cared about deeply has drifted so far away from what you want that
> you can no longer support it?
>
> I hope that if you decide to
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:27:04AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> It's not *my* choice, systemd is the choice of the majority of the
> Linux community. OpenRC and upstart are used in Gentoo and Ubuntu
What? I see many people who don't like systemd and won't use it. I don't
see that sy
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On 02/11/2014 04:21 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:51:13PM +0400, Vitaliy Filippov wrote:
>> This can also reduce the risk of "vendor-lock", because the speed
>> Lennart adds features to systemd is so fast that I won't be real
Thanks for sharing this.
So, you're frustrated and very disappointed because Ddebian, something
you cared about deeply has drifted so far away from what you want that
you can no longer support it?
I hope that if you decide to fork, you succeed in creating something
that meets your needs. I hope t
Hi,
Salvo Tomaselli:
>
> > You can restart pulse. No big problem except temporary interrupt of audio,
> You mean a temporary presence of audio that will immediately go away as soon
> as pulse is running again right?
>
Don't be daft. My audio works perfectly. So does lots of other people's.
If
Hi,
vita...@yourcmc.ru:
> And it seems I'm not the only one who doesn't like it! And I'm sure
> that at least 50% of swear words addressed to systemd could be
> stopped at once if the journal was made ALSO optional. So why not
> just do it?...
>
Because it's work, for no apparent gain. I mean, th
> You can restart pulse. No big problem except temporary interrupt of audio,
You mean a temporary presence of audio that will immediately go away as soon
as pulse is running again right?
--
Salvo Tomaselli
"Io non mi sento obbligato a credere che lo stesso Dio che ci ha dotato di
senso, ragi
On 02/11/2014 12:23 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:27:04AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> And this is very much what I would see in Debian. Use your desktop
>> and applications of choice and you will get support, but if you
>> want to change core components, you ar
Le mardi, 11 février 2014, 11.12:24 Florian Lohoff a écrit :
> Debian is not as useful as it was a couple years back. I started with
> debian because of m68k and later contributed the first mips and mipsel
> packages and hosted the first buildds for mips and mipsel.
Cool, thanks!
> Debian has los
Wookey wookware.org> writes:
> Do I understand this correctly - that it prevents a package
> cross-binutils-0.1 to generate binaries called
> binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi-2.24-3
> binutils-arm-linux-gnueabihf-2.24-3
Actually, these packages will be buggy usually: debhelper uses
the source version
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