debian-installer and software RAID

2008-01-25 Thread Russell Coker
A recent feature of Linux software RAID is a "write intent bitmap". The purpose of this is that before writing to a section of disk the bitmap is altered to mark it as dirty. Then if the machine experiences a power failure or other catastrophic event then when rebooted it will know that the se

Re: Is a free document whose sources have been lost free?

2008-01-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Charles Plessy wrote: > To make the dialign-t package, I removed the documentation from the > upstream tarball, that I use for a dialign-t-doc package, in the > non-free section as the their LaTeX sources are not provided. > > Now, I was informed that the reason is that the so

Re: Is a free document whose sources have been lost free?

2008-01-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > To make the dialign-t package, I removed the documentation from the > upstream tarball, that I use for a dialign-t-doc package, in the > non-free section as the their LaTeX sources are not provided. > > Now, I was informed that the reason is that the so

Is a free document whose sources have been lost free?

2008-01-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Dear all, To make the dialign-t package, I removed the documentation from the upstream tarball, that I use for a dialign-t-doc package, in the non-free section as the their LaTeX sources are not provided. Now, I was informed that the reason is that the sources have been lost. In that case, don't

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 12:51:40PM -0500, Joey Hess a écrit : > > Unless what you get when you run apt-get source is *not* the source that > is in the end used to build the package, which is instead squirrled away > in some arbitrary patch format somewhere under debian/. In this case, > unlike in

Bug#462606: ITP: dejima-mincho -- antiquated Japanese TrueType Mincho font, Dejima Mincho

2008-01-25 Thread Hideki Yamane
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Package name: dejima-mincho Version: 126 Upstream Author: Yoshiki Hayashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL: http://code.google.com/p/dejima-fonts/ License: MIT Description: antiquated Japanese Tr

Bug#462602: ITP: eeepc-acpi-source -- source for Eee PC ACPI module

2008-01-25 Thread Eric Cooper
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Eric Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: eeepc-acpi-source Version : 1.0-1 Upstream Author : Eric Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ecc/eeepc-acpi_1.0.tar.gz * License : GPL Programming Lan

table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

2008-01-25 Thread Sebastian Pipping
thanks to lucas nussbaum the address http://debian.binera.de/wnpp/ is now accessible through http://wnpp.debian.net/ . sebastian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Pierre Habouzit may or may not have written... > On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 07:26:04AM +, Andreas Tille wrote: >> What would you suggest to enhance the situation? > For one, I'm not sure the "situation" is that horrible. Second, I believe > joeyh's proposal to be able to use some D

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-25 Thread Ben Finney
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Call me old fashioned but I want to see a set of files if I do > > apt-get source XY > > and want to see the patches to the original tarball. That's not "old-fashioned", because that's never been what 'apt-get source foo' is meant to do. "old-fash

Bug#462594: RFP: qemulator -- [SHORT DESCRIPTION]

2008-01-25 Thread Russo Giampiero
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org --- Please fill out the fields below. --- Package name: qemulator Version: 0.5-3 Upstream Author: [NAME <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] URL: [http://example.com] License: [GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.

Bug#462593: RFP: qemulator -- i wax launching qemulator

2008-01-25 Thread Russo Giampiero
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org --- Please fill out the fields below. --- Package name: qemulator Version: 0.5-3 Upstream Author: [NAME <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] URL: [http://example.com] License: [GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 25/01/08 at 13:46 -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Would it be possible to get access to the binaries? I'm interested in > choose-mirror, localechooser, ikiwiki, libperl-critic-perl, and > fbreader, which differed only in package size between the two builds. The host I stored them on isn't web-accessi

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 25/01/08 at 18:10 +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Freitag, den 25.01.2008, 16:37 +0100 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: > > On 25/01/08 at 15:59 +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote: > > [docbok-xsl-doc-html] > > But if the size is the same, why would the Installed-Size differ? I have > > no idea. I've copied

Bug#462584: ITP: grub2-splashimages -- a collection of great GRUB2 splashimages

2008-01-25 Thread Krzysztof Burghardt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Krzysztof Burghardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: grub2-splashimages Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Krzysztof Burghardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : none (native package) * License : GNU FDL or CC-BY(-SA) (one or b

Re: Bits from DEHS

2008-01-25 Thread Raphael Geissert
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 09:07:07PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: >> It's been some time since DEHS[1] had some 'big' changes (probably since >> its creation). Here's a list of changes that have been done lately: > > Can you please add an entry about that to > http://wi

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Moritz Muehlenhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Each maintainer may be familiar with his pet patch system, but for > archive wide work I agree the current approach is a mess and makes > security updates painful. Since it's unlikely to change anytime soon, > each source packages, which uses someth

Re: xen-utils installation failure

2008-01-25 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
Michael Banck wrote: > Why do you CC debian-devel for a regular bug report?  If every bug > report would be copied to debian-devel, the list would be totally > flooded. > Sorry. Will take care of that. Ritesh -- If possible, Please CC me when replying. I'm not subscribed to the list. -- To

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Raphael Geissert
Michal Čihař wrote: > Hi > > Dne Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:37:36 +0100 > Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napsal(a): > >> Seems like gzip didn't compress the files in the exact same way, even if >> the resulting size was the same: >> $ diff -burN t t2 >> Binary files t/usr/share/doc/docbook-xsl-doc-

Re: Fixing watch file (Was: Bits from DEHS)

2008-01-25 Thread Raphael Geissert
Andreas Tille wrote: > > I'm aware that the watch file of adun.app is wrong because it reports > version 0.74 as newer than 0.8.2 (upstream should have choosen 0.7.4 > instead > of 0.74). Any hint how to fix this watch file line > >http://download.gna.org/adun/Adun-(.*)\.tar\.gz > > to do t

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri January 25 2008 3:47:36 am sean finney wrote: > hiya, > > On Friday 25 January 2008 09:50:56 am Andreas Tille wrote: > > I would be absolutely unhappy about this. On one hand it is just a > > waste of resources to clone upstream source on the other hand handling a > > set of (documented!!)

Re: Bits from DEHS

2008-01-25 Thread Raphael Geissert
Hello Andreas, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Raphael Geissert wrote: > >> It's been some time since DEHS[1] had some 'big' changes (probably since >> its creation). Here's a list of changes that have been done lately: > > I don't know how to file wishlist bug reports but I would li

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Lucas Nussbaum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > >> I made some stats (see [1]). 7.8% of our packages use quilt, while 14.4% > >> use dpatch. It would be great to document in some place (devref?) why > >> quilt should be used instead of dpatch, because I don't think it's > >> obvious for everybody :)

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Joey Hess
Would it be possible to get access to the binaries? I'm interested in choose-mirror, localechooser, ikiwiki, libperl-critic-perl, and fbreader, which differed only in package size between the two builds. That's semi-understandable for choose-mirror, but I can't guess what would make the others buil

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Andreas Tille wrote: > What would you suggest to enhance the situation? Each maintainer may be familiar with his pet patch system, but for archive wide work I agree the current approach is a mess and makes security updates painful. Since it's unlikely to change anytime soon, each source packages,

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Michael Banck wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:51:05AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 25/01/08 at 08:01 +, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > As a second runner up, quilt is ok by me. :) > > > > I made some stats (see [1]). 7.8% of our packages use quilt, while 14.4% > >

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Joey Hess
Andreas Tille wrote: > If you ask me personally the situation with zillions of competing > VSC systems is even worse than the hand full of tools to build > Debian packages. I personally refuse to switch VCS every six month > because there is a newer and even better one if you trust the one > or ot

Re: Fixing watch file (Was: Bits from DEHS)

2008-01-25 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Andreas Tille wrote: > I'm aware that the watch file of adun.app is wrong because it reports > version 0.74 as newer than 0.8.2 (upstream should have choosen 0.7.4 instead > of 0.74). Any hint how to fix this watch file line > > http://download.gna.org/adun/Adun-(.*)\.tar\.gz > > to do the ri

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Joey Hess
FWIW, I'm very disappointed in this thread so far -- everyone in it seems to be missing between 50 and 90% of the point of my blog post. Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Oh and don't try to ask for complete uniformity in packaging, there > are 1000 DDs, 10 times as many packages, different needs (you do

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Mike Hommey wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 11:14:24AM +0100, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> On Friday 25 January 2008 11:08:13 am Mike Hommey wrote: >> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 09:55:02AM +, Jon Dowland >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > Does anyone know how common it is fo

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Jon Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:13:37AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: >> The only sad thing is that quilt only deals with patches (i.e. diffs), >> whereas dpatch can do scripts, too. Anyways, I now prefer not using >> dpatch of quilt. > > Does anyone know how common it is for this add

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 04:25:42PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 25/01/08 at 15:36 +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > > Hmm, the debdiff output is not really helpful in deciding whether my > > packages actually have a problem (doc-linux and libgpod). It just > > reports a different Installed-Siz

Re: How to deal with bugs from removed packages?

2008-01-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-01-24 21:08]: > > I think that the BTS learns the hierarchy of packages' versions by > > parsing the changelogs. Would your plan work even if the version is a > > fake one (not in any changelog)? > > At leas

Re: How to deal with bugs from removed packages?

2008-01-25 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 25/01/2008, Frank Küster wrote: > I don't think these bugs should be closed without considering the type > of the removed package. If it's just gotten useless or uninteresting, > no problem. But if there's some kind of successor (like foo2 in a new > source package, iceweasel to firefox, or TeXL

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Freitag, den 25.01.2008, 16:37 +0100 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: > On 25/01/08 at 15:59 +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote: [docbok-xsl-doc-html] > But if the size is the same, why would the Installed-Size differ? I have > no idea. I've copied the source and the binary packages to > gluck:~lucas/docbook-x

Re: How to deal with bugs from removed packages?

2008-01-25 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-01-25 16:05]: > I don't think these bugs should be closed without considering the > type of the removed package. If it's just gotten useless or > uninteresting, no problem. But if there's some kind of successor > (like foo2 in a new source package, iceweasel

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi Dne Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:37:36 +0100 Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napsal(a): > Seems like gzip didn't compress the files in the exact same way, even if > the resulting size was the same: > $ diff -burN t t2 > Binary files t/usr/share/doc/docbook-xsl-doc-html/changelog.Debian.gz > and t2/u

Re: xen-utils installation failure

2008-01-25 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 04:52:20PM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > Package: xen-utils-3.2-1 > Version: 3.2.0-1 > Severity: important Why do you CC debian-devel for a regular bug report? If every bug report would be copied to debian-devel, the list would be totally flooded. cheers, Michael

Re: How to deal with bugs from removed packages?

2008-01-25 Thread Frank Küster
Martin Michlmayr cyrius.com> writes: > In > the past, I closed all bug reports from packages that were removed. > Some people were unhappy about this but it was the best solution we > had. This changed with the introduction of version tracking. The > idea now is to close them with a fake versio

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Lucas Nussbaum] > I'm not really sure of what we should do about those problems. The > easiest way to fix them is to use source-only uploads (to avoid > packages built on broken maintainer machines), Very good work. I hope to find solutions for all my packages with this problem. I agree that s

Re: How to cope with patches sanely --> Debian New Maintainers' Guide

2008-01-25 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hmmm... On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:51:41PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: > I ended up updating NM guide which only had dpatch to current one with > quilt: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html#s-dpatch As I read this thread back to d-project, ... interesting. It all star

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Freitag, den 25.01.2008, 16:20 +0100 schrieb Jens Seidel: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 03:59:01PM +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote: [difference in Installed-Size for docbook-xsl-doc-html] > > copies files from the source to the correct place in the file system. So > > I checked the files: a) that I hav

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Peter Makholm
Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Of course, the list includes some false positives, but they are > difficult to identify without going through all the debdiff outputs and > build logs manually. One false positive is when one of the builds fails, like ack-grep which fails some times du

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 25/01/08 at 15:59 +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Freitag, den 25.01.2008, 15:25 +0100 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: > > > I've done two rebuilds of sid on i386. > > - one in a perfectly clean chroot, as I usually do > > - one in a chroot, where as many build-dependancies as impossible were > > i

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Brett Parker
On 25 Jan 15:59, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Freitag, den 25.01.2008, 15:25 +0100 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: > > > I've done two rebuilds of sid on i386. > > - one in a perfectly clean chroot, as I usually do > > - one in a chroot, where as many build-dependancies as impossible were > > installed (t

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 25/01/08 at 15:36 +0100, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 03:25:15PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Of course, the list includes some false positives, but they are > > difficult to identify without going through all the debdiff outputs and > > build logs manually. > > Hmm, t

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Riku Voipio
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 09:59:00AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Oh and don't try to ask for complete uniformity in packaging, there > are 1000 DDs, 10 times as many packages We have managed to get almost complete uniformity of the binary packages produced. And imho, it's one of the things tha

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 03:25:15PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Of course, the list includes some false positives, but they are > difficult to identify without going through all the debdiff outputs and > build logs manually. Hmm, the debdiff output is not really helpful in deciding whether my pa

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Jens Seidel
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 03:59:01PM +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote: > Am Freitag, den 25.01.2008, 15:25 +0100 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: > > > I've done two rebuilds of sid on i386. > > - one in a perfectly clean chroot, as I usually do > > - one in a chroot, where as many build-dependancies as impossibl

Re: rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Daniel Leidert
Am Freitag, den 25.01.2008, 15:25 +0100 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: > I've done two rebuilds of sid on i386. > - one in a perfectly clean chroot, as I usually do > - one in a chroot, where as many build-dependancies as impossible were > installed (take the Sources file, extract the build-deps for al

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-25 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 25/01/2008, Vincent Danjean wrote: > If someone has an example of how to use quilt + cdbs (or even quilt + > standard debhelper debian/rules file) to patch the *clean* system of > the software, I would be interested. Usually, patches are early > removed (or not applied) when running "debian/rul

ITP: libconfig-json-perl -- A parser for JSON-based configuration files

2008-01-25 Thread Ernesto Hernandez-Novich
Package: wnpp * Package name: libconfig-json-perl Version: 1.1.2 Upstream Author: JT Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Config-JSON/ * License: GPL or Perl Artistic Description: Config::JSON parses configuration files written in JSON. It also does some non-JSON stuf

rebuilding the archive in a dirty chroot: results

2008-01-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, I've done two rebuilds of sid on i386. - one in a perfectly clean chroot, as I usually do - one in a chroot, where as many build-dependancies as impossible were installed (take the Sources file, extract the build-deps for all packages, and install as many packages as possible) (the chroot

Re: How to cope with patches sanely --> Debian New Maintainers' Guide

2008-01-25 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:51:05AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 25/01/08 at 08:01 +, Steve Langasek wrote: > > As a second runner up, quilt is ok by me. :) > > I made some stats (see [1]). 7.8% of our packages use quilt, while 14.4% > use dpatch. This was discussed in debian-doc a

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-25 Thread Vincent Danjean
gregor herrmann wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:20:59 +0100, Roland Mas wrote: > It would be great to document in some place (devref?) why quilt should be used instead of dpatch, because I don't think it's obvious for everybody :) >>> Yes, please do so! I would like to read that. >

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-25 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:20:59 +0100, Roland Mas wrote: > >> It would be great to document in some place > >> (devref?) why quilt should be used instead of dpatch, because I > >> don't think it's obvious for everybody :) > > Yes, please do so! I would like to read that. > Seconded. Also, please in

Re: Bits from DEHS

2008-01-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 09:07:07PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: > It's been some time since DEHS[1] had some 'big' changes (probably since its > creation). Here's a list of changes that have been done lately: Can you please add an entry about that to http://wiki.debian.org/DeveloperNews, so that

Re: Speed up the boot by loading the kernel disk cache

2008-01-25 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Petter Reinholdtsen] > Today a new package to speed up the boot is available in unstable. > The readahead binary package can speed up the boot quite significantly > by optimizing how the hard drive is used. It make sure the kernel > disk cache is populated as the very first thing done at boot wi

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 12:14:01PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > Well, I do, but if I want to provide a fix for package XY I would have > to install the perfered VCS of maintainer of XY and learn how to uncover > the comments of a patch (including its history). Nope, since nobody is stating that t

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 25/01/08 at 12:16 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >> I made some stats (see [1]). 7.8% of our packages use quilt, while 14.4% >> use dpatch. It would be great to document in some place (devref?) why >> quilt should be used instead of dpatch, because I d

xen-utils installation failure

2008-01-25 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
Package: xen-utils-3.2-1 Version: 3.2.0-1 Severity: important X-Debbugs-Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, xen-utils fails to install. I'm sorry that I couldn't gather other information that reportbug gathers. virtian:~# apt-get install xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-i386 xen-utils-3.2-1 xen-docs-3.2 Reading p

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-25 Thread Roland Mas
Andreas Tille, 2008-01-25 12:16:02 +0100 : > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >> I made some stats (see [1]). 7.8% of our packages use quilt, while >> 14.4% use dpatch. It would be great to document in some place >> (devref?) why quilt should be used instead of dpatch, because I >> don

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I made some stats (see [1]). 7.8% of our packages use quilt, while 14.4% use dpatch. It would be great to document in some place (devref?) why quilt should be used instead of dpatch, because I don't think it's obvious for everybody :) Yes, please do s

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote: a set of (documented!!) patches seems much more clearly for my taste. You comment patches in the commit message, don't you ? Well, I do, but if I want to provide a fix for package XY I would have to install the perfered VCS of maintainer of XY and

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote: For one, I'm not sure the "situation" is that horrible. Second, I believe joeyh's proposal to be able to use some DSCM features to replace the old diff.gz is an excellent proposal, OTOH, you will have a lot of people complaining about having to use gi

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 11:14:24AM +0100, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 25 January 2008 11:08:13 am Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 09:55:02AM +, Jon Dowland > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Does anyone know how common it is for this additional functionali

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 25/01/08 at 08:01 +, Steve Langasek wrote: > As a second runner up, quilt is ok by me. :) I made some stats (see [1]). 7.8% of our packages use quilt, while 14.4% use dpatch. It would be great to document in some place (devref?) why quilt should be used instead of dpatch, because I don't t

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread sean finney
hiya, On Friday 25 January 2008 09:50:56 am Andreas Tille wrote: > I would be absolutely unhappy about this. On one hand it is just a waste > of resources to clone upstream source on the other hand handling a set of > (documented!!) patches seems much more clearly for my taste. "inconvenient bec

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:51:05AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 25/01/08 at 08:01 +, Steve Langasek wrote: > > As a second runner up, quilt is ok by me. :) > > I made some stats (see [1]). 7.8% of our packages use quilt, while 14.4% > use dpatch. It would be great to document in some pla

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread sean finney
On Friday 25 January 2008 11:08:13 am Mike Hommey wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 09:55:02AM +, Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anyone know how common it is for this additional functionality to > > be used in packages in the archive? > > I do use it for config.guess and config

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 09:55:02AM +, Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:13:37AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > > The only sad thing is that quilt only deals with patches (i.e. diffs), > > whereas dpatch can do scripts, too. Anyways, I now prefer not using > > dpat

Re: Bug#462027: ITP: libactiverecord-ruby -- library that ties database tables to classes in Ruby

2008-01-25 Thread Paul van Tilburg
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 11:37:29AM -0600, Adam Majer wrote: > Jon Dowland wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 09:35:06PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: > >> Have you spoken with the rails package maintainer about this and your > >> other ITP? Having duplicate copies of the same code lying around in > >

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:13:37AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > The only sad thing is that quilt only deals with patches (i.e. diffs), > whereas dpatch can do scripts, too. Anyways, I now prefer not using > dpatch of quilt. Does anyone know how common it is for this additional functionality to be u

Re: Bug#462027: ITP: libactiverecord-ruby -- library that ties database tables to classes in Ruby

2008-01-25 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 11:37:29AM -0600, Adam Majer wrote: > Why? What is the disadvantage of having it together with rails? I'm > assuming 7MB of diskspace (2MB archive) is not what is your main > reason. I'm interested in looking at active record in non-web situations. It's only a mild interest

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 09:59:00AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > For one, I'm not sure the "situation" is that horrible. Second, I > believe joeyh's proposal to be able to use some DSCM features to replace > the old diff.gz is an excellent proposal Full ack! > OTOH, you will have a lot of peo

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 08:50:56AM +, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > - Store all of the source, upstream and Debian, in the same VCS > > (better if upstream uses the same, but if it has to be a clone of > > upstream then so be it) > > I would be ab

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 10:08:29AM +0100, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le vendredi 25 janvier 2008 à 09:50 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit : > > > As a second runner up, quilt is ok by me. :) > > > > For historical reasons I use dpatch but I'm not really happy with this. > > I would

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 25 janvier 2008 à 09:50 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit : > > As a second runner up, quilt is ok by me. :) > > For historical reasons I use dpatch but I'm not really happy with this. > I would gladly adopt any other patch system if it would be declared as > kind of standard. I’d be glad

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 07:26:04AM +, Andreas Tille wrote: > What would you suggest to enhance the situation? For one, I'm not sure the "situation" is that horrible. Second, I believe joeyh's proposal to be able to use some DSCM features to replace the old diff.gz is an excellent proposal, O

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Steve Langasek wrote: - Store all of the source, upstream and Debian, in the same VCS (better if upstream uses the same, but if it has to be a clone of upstream then so be it) I would be absolutely unhappy about this. On one hand it is just a waste of resources to clone

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-01-25 Thread Ben Finney
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > IMHO there is a need for putting patches against upstream source > into a defeult place. Agreed. This place is provided by a VCS, especially one with good merging algorithms. We are blessed with an ever-improving wealth of such VCS software, with superl

Bug#462487: ITP: scotch -- programs and libraries for graph, mesh and hypergraph partitioning

2008-01-25 Thread Christophe Prud'homme
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org --- Please fill out the fields below. --- Package name: scotch Version: 5.0.1 Upstream Author: Francois PELLEGRINI URL: http://www.labri.fr/perso/pelegrin/scotch/ License: CeCILL-C FREE S

Re: How to cope with patches sanely (Was: State of the project - input needed)

2008-01-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 08:26:04AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I think: >>http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/a_problem_with_tools/ >> is a big one that deserves attention. It's been a low-level grumble for >> quite some time in various places,