On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:43:24 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:46:32 +1000, Martin Pool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:53:14 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> I was intentionally using moderate language because (a) I don't
>> believe it is strictly plagia
On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:52:33 +0900 (JST), Atsuhito Kohda
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Now my understanding is;
> the new mechanism might be okay if it first checks whether
> texmf.cnf is an admin's file or a file generated by update-texmf
> before generating texmf.cnf and overwrites it
On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:25:53 +1000, mbp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On 24 Apr 2003, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:17, Martin Pool wrote:
>> > The conventional way to get in touch with the developers of a
>> > free software project to raise an issue is to writ
Now my understanding is;
the new mechanism might be okay if it first checks whether
texmf.cnf is an admin's file or a file generated by
update-texmf before generating texmf.cnf and overwrites it
only in the case it was a file generated by the script
(for example, with the wa
On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:46:32 +1000, Martin Pool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:53:14 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:59:59 +1000, Martin Pool
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>>> For example, at least two people called Hans a troll. An upstream
>>> aut
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:41:58 +0200, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> * Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030422 08:35]:
>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 02:53:38PM +1000, Martin Pool wrote:
>> > Authors have a moral right (and a legal one in some places) not
>> > to have their work mutilated
On 24 Apr 2003, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:17, Martin Pool wrote:
> > The conventional way to get in touch with the developers of a free
> > software project to raise an issue is to write to the -devel list. It's
> > not surprising that this is what people do
On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:17, Martin Pool wrote:
> The conventional way to get in touch with the developers of a free
> software project to raise an issue is to write to the -devel list. It's
> not surprising that this is what people do with debian.
The conventional way to approach a large group of
On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Martin Pool wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:10:45 -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Hans Reiser wrote:
> >> Ed has graciously agreed to restore the credits, and I thank Debian for
> >> its respect for the wishes of the original author in regards to
> >> promine
Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-24
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: dumb
Version : 0.9.2
Upstream Author : Ben Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://dumb.sourceforge.net/
* License : BSD-like
Description : the dynamic universal mu
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:53:14 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:59:59 +1000, Martin Pool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>> For example, at least two people called Hans a troll. An upstream
>> author expressing concern about the way their code is packaged is
>> not trolling (i.
On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 12:17:46AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mer 23/04/2003 à 22:23, Josh Metzler a écrit :
>
> > Shuttle:/home/josh# apt-get -s install libpng3
> > Reading Package Lists... Done
> > Building Dependency Tree... Done
> > The following extra packages will be installed:
> >
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 09:35:13PM +0200, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Bug 183186 seems to be stopping irss-text 0.8.6 from entering Sarge, but
> IMHO the bug is not quite release critical.
#183186 is important, which hasn't been a release-critical severity for
several years now. It is not affect
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:10:45 -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Hans Reiser wrote:
>> Ed has graciously agreed to restore the credits, and I thank Debian for
>> its respect for the wishes of the original author in regards to
>> prominently crediting those who have contributed.
I'm gla
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:27:05PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> I apologise for accusing Manoj of having a prune up his rear. It's clear to
> me now that this was a disservice to prunes and in fact it's a thesaurus
> thats lodged there and is giving him delusions of having a large vocabulary.
At this
(Sorry for taking so long to get back)
On Sat, 2003-04-12 at 08:28, Darren Salt wrote:
> Hmm. They're conffiles (not sure why, given that they're all binaries); have
> you tried 2.4 with the 2.3 drums files?
I believe I tried that, but I can't recall. As it stands now, I just
keep the source to
(Sorry for taking so long to get back)
On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 19:18, Cameron Patrick wrote:
> Er, the SBLive and its Creative brethren do, don't they? At least, I'm
> presuming that's what "sound fonts" are for. Has it been removed in
> later versions of the card?
If it's there, I can't find it
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Andreas Barth wrote:
> Can't you understand that as an author you would like that messages
> like this are not removed without your consent? The internet
> robustness principle says: Be liberal in what you accept and
> conservative in what you send. Modifiying code is sending,
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Adam Conrad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Autobuilders don't even have "locales" installed by default, as it's
> > non-essential, so you certainly can't count on any specific locales being
> > there, no. You can, however, generate the locales that
I actively use and develop with mod_perl and would be happy to take the
packages over if you are no longer inclined.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
_ivan
On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 11:44:18PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> It's been a few years since I've actually run a web site which uses
> libapache-m
Andrew Saunders wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:46:24 +0400
Hans Reiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One could argue that if the "thief" had been unable to re-brand the
code, they never would have used it. If they had to have a prominent
notice advertising "We did not write this, Hans Reiser did" (o
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:46:24 +0400
Hans Reiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> persons like me
> are concerned that vendors will strip all information about who wrote
> ReiserFS out except for copyright notices that none of their users
> will see, slap their brand identity onto it, and ship, depriv
Le mer 23/04/2003 à 22:23, Josh Metzler a écrit :
> Shuttle:/home/josh# apt-get -s install libpng3
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
> libpng12-0
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> kdelibs4-dev kdesdk k
"Adam Conrad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Roger Leigh wrote:
>>
>> This works fine when the locales exist for each localisation, but if
>> they don't exist, it defaults to C locale/US-ASCII charset. Can the
>> autobuilders guarantee a full set of generated locales, or is only C
>> available?
>
> Should I file any bugs? If so, against libpng3, or against the other packages?
Try filing a grave bug with "gratuous change breaks other software",
against libpng3
regards,
junichi
On Wed Apr 23, 09:35pm +0200, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Bug 183186 seems to be stopping irss-text 0.8.6 from entering Sarge, but
> IMHO the bug is not quite release critical. Botti is just a small part
> of irssi, not used by 90% of the package users (at least, I think so).
> (Maybe it should b
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Joel Baker wrote:
> What I was wondering is whether there is a way to do translations of
> the fortune data, without having to have 'fortunes-debian-hints-'
> packages. Granted, I probably won't be able to do much useful about
> translating them, myself, but I'd like to at lea
Robert Millan wrote:
> it's likely that debian-x86-64 developement discussions start to come up
> soon, so it'd be interesting if this list (#162668, New Mailinglist
> debian-x86-64) could be created soon (so that debian-devel is not crappled
> with x86-64 stuff).
I second this (as I search for an
Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-23
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: grub-disk
Version : 0.93+cvs20030224.2.1
* URL : http://people.debian.org/~rmh/packages/grub-disk/
* License : GPL
Description : GRUB bootable disk image
This package
The new libpng3 (1.2.5.0-1) renames libpng12-0-dev to libpng12-dev, which
seems to be intentional on the part of the new maintainer. I have a number
of kde development packages which depend on libpng12-0-dev, though, and so
will be removed if I upgrade libpng3.
Transcript:
Shuttle:/home/josh#
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:49:09AM -0700, Mark Rafn wrote:
> That said, I'd prefer Debian NOT remove such advertising, only that we
> guarantee users the right to do.
*And* distribute the result, if you want to be DFSG-free.
Cheers,
Emile.
--
E-Advies - Emile van Bergen [EMAI
Roger Leigh wrote:
>
> This works fine when the locales exist for each localisation, but if
> they don't exist, it defaults to C locale/US-ASCII charset. Can the
> autobuilders guarantee a full set of generated locales, or is only C
> available?
Autobuilders don't even have "locales" installed b
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Hans Reiser wrote:
> Ed has graciously agreed to restore the credits, and I thank Debian for
> its respect for the wishes of the original author in regards to
> prominently crediting those who have contributed.
Again, what does Debian(as a community/organization) have to do w
Bug 183186 seems to be stopping irss-text 0.8.6 from entering Sarge, but
IMHO the bug is not quite release critical. Botti is just a small part
of irssi, not used by 90% of the package users (at least, I think so).
(Maybe it should be split into a separate package anyway?)
Can this bug be put back
Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 11:00, Hans Reiser wrote:
Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
[...] could
apparently make its changes to the documentation of a GFDL-licensed
document near-proprietary by adding invariant sections and cover texts
that are unconscionable to the original
[Some dude called Manoj (I think) did produce such utterances recently]
> You may be enured to unsubstantiated accusations of
> plagiarism, theft, idiocy, and worse, but please allow me the right of
> umbrage at such.
I apologise for accusing Manoj of having a prune up his rear. It's clear to
me
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Brian May wrote:
> Quoting README, in particular the entire LICENSING section:
[Snip text about Hans Reiser assuming the right to re-license contributed
work if it's not clearly labelled otherwise. I don't have an opinion on
the legality of it, but it doesn't sound non-fre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
During a package build, I need to produce translated files using
gettext. By this, I mean using the .mo files at build-time to produce
sets of translated PPD files. (I know this is ugly, but it's the only
way to localise static data files.)
This wor
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 05:35:48PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> I object: There is always a cause why a certain message is output. A
> debian maintainer should (morally) at least ask what the upstream
> maintainer thinks about removing the sponsorship message and remove it
> against the will of th
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:00:32PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote:
> Why is this a problem? Seems to me that it is their right to do so, if
> they make a contribution that nobody else wants to be without, they have
> earned the moral right to insult the original author.
This has all been debated at le
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:45:11 +0900 (JST), Atsuhito Kohda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> From: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re:
> Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant) Date: Mon, 21 Apr
> 2003 20:45:44 -0500
>> For example, I set up a Debian machine in a lab with other
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 12:02:00PM +0300, Juhapekka Tolvanen wrote:
Hi,
dunno about your gs problems, but...
> There is some other weird things going on, too. If I install font
> packages like ttf-dustin and ttf-bitstream-vera , I can't see those
> fonts with xfontsel. All fontconfig-aware prog
So, as some of you may remember, after a discussion on debian-devel about
wanting some way to give a "tip of the day" or similar functionality for
new (and sometimes used.. er... experienced) Debian users, I did an ITP for
fortunes-debian-hints. It's now in testing (or so the PTS would lead me to
b
Op wo 23-04-2003, om 17:00 schreef Hans Reiser:
> Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
>
> >
> >Consider that an Evil Company, say, starting with the letter 'M', could
> >apparently make its changes to the documentation of a GFDL-licensed
> >document near-proprietary by adding invariant sections and cover te
CCing debian-devel..
hi!
as noticed in DWN [1] and debian-devel [2], Arnd Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
has actualy started work [3] on the x86-64 port by using Bochs' x86-64
emulation.
it's likely that debian-x86-64 developement discussions start to come up
soon, so it'd be interesting if this
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030422 08:35]:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 02:53:38PM +1000, Martin Pool wrote:
> > Authors have a moral right (and a legal one in some places) not to
> > have their work mutilated.
> You can assert a moral right to control how your work is used, or you
> can wr
* David Nusinow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030422 08:05]:
> So, ultimately, what harm does this do to the author? If all he cares
> about is his reputation, then he's certaintly not doing a good job of
> bolstering it in this particular forum. He's not representing his
> sponsors very well either.
Can't
* Glenn Maynard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030422 05:50]:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 12:25:39PM +1000, Martin Pool wrote:
> > banner at startup is inconvenient. However just cutting it out is not
> > a good way to resolve the bug. The maintainer made a mistake here.
> > It ought to be obvious that remo
On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 11:17, Hans Reiser wrote:
> Ed has graciously agreed to restore the credits, and I thank Debian for
> its respect for the wishes of the original author in regards to
> prominently crediting those who have contributed.
I'm very happy to hear that this has been resolved amica
On Wed, 2003-04-23 at 11:00, Hans Reiser wrote:
> Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
> > [...] could
> >apparently make its changes to the documentation of a GFDL-licensed
> >document near-proprietary by adding invariant sections and cover texts
> >that are unconscionable to the original author. [...]
(Not
Ed has graciously agreed to restore the credits, and I thank Debian for
its respect for the wishes of the original author in regards to
prominently crediting those who have contributed.
--
Hans
Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
Consider that an Evil Company, say, starting with the letter 'M', could
apparently make its changes to the documentation of a GFDL-licensed
document near-proprietary by adding invariant sections and cover texts
that are unconscionable to the original author. Something like
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 04:45:11PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> I don't know how you create texmf.cnf but it would be enough if you
> create it in Debian and distribute it to other machines (but under
> the condition that you use only compatible TeX components which is
> your case, perhaps).
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 02:53:38PM +1000, Martin Pool wrote:
> Some people here apparently delight in pissing off upstream authors
> who object to the way their software is modified. There are plenty of
> posts saying that Debian can do what it likes, and precious few
> acknowledging that Hans oug
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 04:01:35AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 08:58, LapTop006 wrote:
> > I use both Mutt and OE to read my E-mail (mostly mutt). The one feature
> > OE has (on both mac and windows) that NO other client I've seen matches
> > (Mozilla 1.0 came close, ha
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 11:45:08PM +0200, Bj?rn Stenberg wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> > The reason why a library's shlibs get changed
> > is that binaries built against one version of the library can't be
> > guaranteed to run correctly against older versions.
>
> Because the interface changed o
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:43:50PM +0800, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
> We're still not officially launched yet though, until the list people
> create a list for us, so debian-devel will remain the point of contact
> until then.
Well, you can always create a list on Alioth for the time being. No need
to
Hi Jeremy. I'm an attorney, but I'm no longer active. I'm working as a
system administrator for Texas Tech Health Sciences Center
(http://www.ttuhsc.edu) in Lubbock, Texas. I've been using Linux since
1996, and specifically Debian since 2001. I actively script with Perl
(since 1998) and PHP (19
As you may have noticed, Debian-Lex, the nascent Debian-for-lawyers
sub-project, made DWN today, and I've had some expressions of interest
off-list from that. We're still not officially launched yet though,
until the list people create a list for us, so debian-devel will remain
the point of contac
* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-04-21 16:54]:
> Here's a listing of packages I orphaned recently. If you're
> interested in any, check the bug report if the package is still
> available and retitle the bug (see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp
> for instructions).
and:
Bug#190188: O: bbppp -- PPP to
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 09:00:06PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:36:01 +0200, Denis Barbier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > I wondered whether this use of ucf is safe. If postinst fails for
> > any reason, and package is reconfigured, the backup file is
> > overwritten.
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 09:41:34AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote:
> If the copyright holder includes a copy of the GPL but writes that the
> software is licensed under the GPL plus additional restrictions, then
> this is not "illegal" as far as I know (there's nothing in the GPL
> that prevents
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 12:12:38PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> cvsd.conf is a trivial config file to parse and modify from what I can
> see.
>
> port=`sed -n 's/^Port *\([^ ]*\).*$/\1/p' < /etc/cvsd/cvsd.conf`
>
> That's a reasonable way to get any value from it. I'm glad you do this
What abo
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 04:45:11PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> On the other hands, in Debian which is an association of
> volunteers, a developer can package any DFSG-free TeX components
> or DFSG-free extra fonts packages freely so we need an infra-structure
> which provides dynamic tex
On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 10:34:14PM -0700, David Nusinow wrote:
> You're forgetting that we don't really know what Reiser's intentions
> are. His complaints don't address anything specific, but instead throw
> out terms like plagiarism and bowdlerization in order to avoid listing
> specific complain
I have Debian Woody with gazillion packages from testing and unstable.
Recently Ghostscript has worked very unreliably. For example ps2pdf
gives this kind of errors:
Error: /invalidfont in findfont
Operand stack:
Fg 139 --nostringval-- 1290 10 --nostringval-- 1290 6
--nostringva
* Atsuhito Kohda
> I don't know how you create texmf.cnf but it would be enough
> if you create it in Debian and distribute it to other machines
Jesus. You still haven't got the point. Repeat after me:
"I am *NOT* permitted to make that decision on behalf of the user."
> On the other hands
On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 22:36, Darren Salt wrote:
> I demand that Anthony DeRobertis may or may not have written...
> >3) After prompting, the package must confirm that the current md5sum
> > matches the one stored in /var. If it does and the package succeeded
> > at (2) it may repla
On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 08:58, LapTop006 wrote:
> I use both Mutt and OE to read my E-mail (mostly mutt). The one feature
> OE has (on both mac and windows) that NO other client I've seen matches
> (Mozilla 1.0 came close, haven't tried since then) is its support for
> offline IMAP.
Try Mac OS X's "
From: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bug#189370: acknowledged by developer (irrelevant)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:45:44 -0500
> For example, I set up a Debian machine in a lab with other,
> non debian machines. I note that all the machines have default
> texmf.cnf behavi
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On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 02:08, Hans Reiser wrote:
> I find it unspeakably ingrateful to Stallman that some of you begrudge
> him his right to express his (discomforting to some) views to all who
> use his software, and to ensure that they are not removed by those suits
> who are discomforted.
Our
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 04:43:47PM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote:
> My package mirrormagic is held up getting into testing because of
> sdl-mixer1.2 [1]. sdl-mixer1.2 in turn is held up by libvorbis [2].
>
> But libvorbis is a valid candidate [3]. I can't see any reason why it isn't
> going into tes
On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 04:43:47PM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote:
> My package mirrormagic is held up getting into testing because of
> sdl-mixer1.2 [1]. sdl-mixer1.2 in turn is held up by libvorbis [2].
>
> But libvorbis is a valid candidate [3]. I can't see any reason why it isn't
> going into tes
My package mirrormagic is held up getting into testing because of
sdl-mixer1.2 [1]. sdl-mixer1.2 in turn is held up by libvorbis [2].
But libvorbis is a valid candidate [3]. I can't see any reason why it isn't
going into testing. What's wrong?
Drew
[1] http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?excu
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:10:57 +1000, Anthony Towns
said:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 05:53:14PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:59:59 +1000, Martin Pool
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> > For example, at least two people called Hans a troll. An
>> > upstream author express
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:26:13 +1000, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Harmful to Debian even if possibly not harmful to the user. This
> could be clarified in the next DWN article on the topic (now that
> Rudi has started the debate again another DWN article is probably
> due anyway).
Well being the fwbuilder maintainer yes this is the correct behavior as
fwbuilder itself doesn't have anything that depends on xauth... I also as a
network administrator for a living, and I do use fwbuilder for my own internal
firewall, don't recommend running it from the firewall itself an
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 05:53:14PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:59:59 +1000, Martin Pool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > For example, at least two people called Hans a troll. An upstream
> > author expressing concern about the way their code is packaged is
> > not trollin
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