On Monday 29 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> > 2. Can console-setup-udeb expect that /proc/bus/usb is mounted? Is
> > there some dependency about this?
>
> For 2.6.29 and 2.6.30 you can't depend on it being mounted. See
> usb-kbd.c in kbd-chooser; again
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> I have some questions:
> 1. Can console-setup-udeb expect that /proc is mounted? Is there some
> dependency about this?
/proc is guaranteed to be mounted in D-I.
> 2. Can console-setup-udeb expect that /proc/bus/usb is mounted? Is
> there some depen
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 07:32:39PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> >
> > Should I add one additional question or preseeding is enough?
>
> No, you need to implement automatic detection for this case.
>
> Please see kbd-chooser.c. It's not all that hard to find the code, nor
> should it be all that har
On Monday 29 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:03:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > > On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> > > > > But I think i
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:03:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> > > > But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the
>
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:03:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> > > But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the host
> > > even if its keyboard is not used during the i
On Monday 29 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> > But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the host
> > even if its keyboard is not used during the installation.
>
> I wrote this about installs on serial console, not
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:55:28PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
>
> But I think it is preferable to configure the keyboard of the host even
> if its keyboard is not used during the installation.
I wrote this about installs on serial console, not about UML installs.
Anton Zinoviev
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To UNSUB
Console-setup changed a lot since the long mail of Frans Pop. I will
make an upload as soon as the current package migrates to testing. In
the following I am summarizing some of the changes.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 05:59:02PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
>
> Size impact
> ---
1. T
On Monday 29 June 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 03:05:22PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > On Sunday 28 June 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> > > I think we should stop asking this question entirely. Hardly anyone
> > > really needs anything other than pc105, except for the Brazilian
>
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 03:05:22PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Sunday 28 June 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> > I think we should stop asking this question entirely. Hardly anyone
> > really needs anything other than pc105, except for the Brazilian and
> > Japanese cases that can be derived automatica
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 03:05:22PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Sunday 28 June 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> > I think we should stop asking this question entirely. Hardly anyone
> > really needs anything other than pc105, except for the Brazilian and
> > Japanese cases that can be derived automatica
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:00:19PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> I would just call it the "American English" layout versus the "Dutch"
> layout. After all, that's what they are.
> And you'd probably need to offer some additional choices:
> - American English layout with € on 5 key
> - American Englis
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
> On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > One of the release goals of Debian Installer for squeeze is dropping
> > the use of console-data keyboard mappings, to replace them by
> > console-setup [1].
>
> Here are (finally) the results of my test
Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 14:36:25 +0200, a écrit :
> On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > In that case there really _should_ be a "Netherlands - Dvorak" layout
> > > as well.
> >
> > If someone could implement the dutch dvorak, sure. Remember that dvorak
> > is per-language. Yo
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Colin Watson wrote:
> I think we should stop asking this question entirely. Hardly anyone
> really needs anything other than pc105, except for the Brazilian and
> Japanese cases that can be derived automatically from the keyboard
> layout anyway.
How appropriate is pc105 as
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > In that case there really _should_ be a "Netherlands - Dvorak" layout
> > as well.
>
> If someone could implement the dutch dvorak, sure. Remember that dvorak
> is per-language. You can always use the english dvorak for Dutch, but
> that's not effi
Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 13:45:33 +0200, a écrit :
> On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 13:00:19 +0200, a ?crit :
> > > BTW, I would expect there are people in NL using Dvorak, but it's not
> > > being offered as a choice there...
> >
> > Because x
(resending for proper threading)
On Sunday 28 June 2009, you wrote:
> Now _that_ I could understand. The origin question should really only
> be displayed if someone chooses "other" from the country-specific
> variant list.
But even then I find the "origin" prompt confusing, especially because
p
On Sunday 28 June 2009, you wrote:
> Now _that_ I could understand. The origin question should really only
> be displayed if someone chooses "other" from the country-specific
> variant list.
But even then I find the "origin" prompt confusing, especially because
people are used to selecting a layo
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 13:00:19 +0200, a ?crit :
> > BTW, I would expect there are people in NL using Dvorak, but it's not
> > being offered as a choice there...
>
> Because xkb doesn't have that layout.
Do you mean that xkb has a _separate_
Samuel Thibault, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 11:59:26 +0200, a écrit :
> Another way I had thought about would be to first show a list of all
> the keyboards known to be used by the combination of country/language
> given at the localechooser stage,
Note: there is enough information in xkb-data to achieve
Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 13:00:19 +0200, a écrit :
> BTW, I would expect there are people in NL using Dvorak, but it's not
> being offered as a choice there...
Because xkb doesn't have that layout.
> > > 5) Dutch people very much *do* still type accented characters.
> >
> > ERrr, really? Th
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> I know the situation. What I'm talking about is this:
> > 3) Both Dutch keymaps and American English keymaps are in use, but
> > the Dutch ones are a relatively small minority.
> > 4) If one of the variants currently listed under "Netherlands" really
Hello,
Frans Pop, le Sun 28 Jun 2009 09:09:20 +0200, a écrit :
> > http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21046
> > Could NL people comment on the bug?
>
> Eh, I *am* an NL person...
I know.
> I thought I'd already made my comments clear and explained the Dutch
> situation.
I know the sit
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> Eh, I *am* an NL person... I thought I'd already made my comments clear
> and explained the Dutch situation. Both in this thread and the BR from
> Kurt about Altgr (#524235).
>
> 1) Some time ago I set the default in c-s for NL to 'us' (r58049).
> 2) "Orig
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > I have no idea what the difference between "Netherlands" and
> > > "Netherlands - Standard" is. Such problems have to be reported
> > > upstream.
> >
> > There are a fair number of differences between those two variants in
> > /usr/share/X11/xkb
Hello,
Colin Watson, le Sat 27 Jun 2009 23:57:54 +0100, a écrit :
> > > If "Netherlands" is selected I get the layout question with:
> > >Netherlands
> > >Netherlands - Macintosh
> > >Netherlands - Standard
> > >Netherlands - Sun dead keys
> > > OK, the last 3 should probably not b
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:27:48PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:40:12PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > 2. The totally insane /usr/share/c-s-mini/c-s.config file
> > -
> > With no disrespect intended to Anton or Samuel
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:08:25PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
>
> > > 1. Package size - impact on initrd size and memory usage
>
> Both the way they are implemented and the total number of strings.
>
> [...]
>
> It still leaves the problem that several mechanisms D-I won't work. One of
> them is rem
On Friday 26 June 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:40:12PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> > 1. Package size - impact on initrd size and memory usage
>
> I suppose this is because of the way translations are currently
> implemented. The keymaps of c-s require significantly less s
Anton Zinoviev, le Fri 26 Jun 2009 21:27:48 +0300, a écrit :
> > Let's have a look (I hope I counted correctly):
> > 1) keyboard model, ~150 options ... WTF?
>
> I don't know.
They correspond to the variety of keyboards with additional keys. For
instance, my "Internet" keyboard has a few navigati
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:40:12PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
>
> 1. Package size - impact on initrd size and memory usage
I suppose this is because of the way translations are currently
implemented. The keymaps of c-s require significantly less space than
those of kbd-chooser.
> 2. The totally
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> The totally insane /usr/share/c-s-mini/c-s.config file
> --
> The current solution seems to me to be a case of "we didn't know how to
> do it correctly, so we just took an easy way out". But maybe Samu
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
> Well, that's it. Kind of weird to have to spend most of the day to write
> down what was found in 15 minutes of testing...
Just a quick comment (mostly because I'll be away for the week-end and
don't want to leave the impression that this big mail is ign
On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
> One of the release goals of Debian Installer for squeeze is dropping
> the use of console-data keyboard mappings, to replace them by
> console-setup [1].
Here are (finally) the results of my tests. Sorry for the delay; I will
explain the reason
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