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Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

> On Jan 7, 2015, at 7:40 PM, Michael Crawford wrote: > > The last time I reported a bug of any sort to anyone, I reported quite > a serious iOS security hole via Radar. > > The Apple engineer who responded quite angrily closed my bug as "works > as expected". He didn't just close the bug - he

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

On 2015 Jan 05, at 18:38, Graham Cox wrote: People suggested that OS X had jumped the shark with Lion. If so, we're into Jaws VIII vs. Godzilla 3D territory now. They foisted intentionally blurry text on us by 2002, but don't single out the Apple execs and management. It has infected all of

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

The last time I reported a bug of any sort to anyone, I reported quite a serious iOS security hole via Radar. The Apple engineer who responded quite angrily closed my bug as "works as expected". He didn't just close the bug - he expressed a great deal of anger for having reported the exploit at a

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

> On 7 Jan 2015, at 9:56 am, Uli Kusterer wrote: > > It’s amazing how many people don’t understand what the phrase “leaving aside” > means on this mailing list. :-p True, but it's also clear that it's a source of frustration for developers, and one where there's no easy way to either vent th

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

On 05 Jan 2015, at 13:58, Charles Jenkins wrote: > Leaving aside any discussion of whether it was a good idea to add "vibrancy" > to the OS, I do have a question about how to use it. It’s amazing how many people don’t understand what the phrase “leaving aside” means on this mailing list. :-p

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

Well, the user has selected a desktop wallpaper he likes, presumably with a pleasing color scheme. Taking vibrancy from an image the user has already indicated a preference for is much kinder than blurring in whatever happens to be in a window behind the foreground app. — Charles Jenkins On

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Graham Cox wrote: > It's not just pointless eye-candy, it's actually contrary to usability. In > Safari, I'd come to the conclusion that the window frame "tint" was an > indication of whether you were in a private session or a non-private one, but > after some

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

> On 5 Jan 2015, at 11:58 pm, Charles Jenkins wrote: > > if there's a way to tell the window server to use only the desktop image to > create vibrancy effects in a the sidebar, ignoring any other windows which > may lie between my app and the desktop Would you really want that, even if it co

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

> On 6 Jan 2015, at 07:38, Graham Cox wrote: > > >> On 6 Jan 2015, at 4:11 am, Jens Alfke wrote: >> >> I honestly thought that in the post-Steve-Jobs era we at least wouldn't get >> these pointless gee-wow visual effects anymore; he was always very >> susceptible to them. > > > Glad I'm n

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

OMG, did they release Xcode 4 again? No? Then what are we talking about? [I’m begging you all to take your opinions on this subject somewhere where I don’t have to see them.] ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

> > My app will have a source view, so I'd like to know if there's a way to tell > the window server to use only the desktop image to create vibrancy effects in > a the sidebar, ignoring any other windows which may lie between my app and > the desktop. This is not possible. corbin _

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

I'm going to be 51 years old soon. I spend all day long staring at a computer. I've had trouble with eye fatigue for years. Semitransparent windows drive me nuts; to the extent I can turn off the effect I do so. Michael David Crawford, Consulting Software Engineer mdcrawf...@gmail.com http://www

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

> On 6 Jan 2015, at 4:11 am, Jens Alfke wrote: > > I honestly thought that in the post-Steve-Jobs era we at least wouldn't get > these pointless gee-wow visual effects anymore; he was always very > susceptible to them. Glad I'm not the only one thinking this. It's not just pointless eye-can

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

On 05/01/15 19:32, Georg Seifert wrote: I guess the best we can do as developers is to vote with our feet by not adopting it in our apps. (I haven't had to deal with an OS X source list in a while; I assume "vibrancy" has to be opted into? Or at least there's a way to opt out?) No, it is on

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

Georg, I believe you can uncheck "allows vibrancy" in IB. But back to my original question: does anyone know how to make the vibrancy effect be based only on the desktop image, ignoring any other windows which might be beneath the foreground app? — Charles On Monday, January 5, 2015 at

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

> > I guess the best we can do as developers is to vote with our feet by not > adopting it in our apps. (I haven't had to deal with an OS X source list in a > while; I assume "vibrancy" has to be opted into? Or at least there's a way to > opt out?) No, it is on by default and no way (that I kn

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Bill Cheeseman wrote: > >> On Jan 5, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Jens Alfke > > wrote: >> >> I guess the best we can do as developers is to vote with our feet by not >> adopting it in our apps. > > > The documentation for implementing vibrancy in

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Jens Alfke > wrote: > > I guess the best we can do as developers is to vote with our feet by not > adopting it in our apps. The documentation for implementing vibrancy in our own views is incomplete, inconsistent and hard to follow, a

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Paul Scott wrote: > > And a waste of time that should have been spent elsewhere. I usually dislike piling in on Apple's UI blunders, but in this case I'm compelled to agree :-p I honestly thought that in the post-Steve-Jobs era we at least wouldn't get these poi

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

On Jan 5, 2015, at 11:00:57, Paul Scott wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Alex Zavatone wrote: >> >> On Jan 5, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Charles Jenkins wrote: >> >>> Leaving aside any discussion of whether it was a good idea to add >>> "vibrancy" to the OS, I do have a question about how to use

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Alex Zavatone wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Charles Jenkins wrote: > >> Leaving aside any discussion of whether it was a good idea to add "vibrancy" >> to the OS, I do have a question about how to use it. > > Um, it was a terrible amateurish idea. And a

Re: Blurry is the New Sharp

On Jan 5, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Charles Jenkins wrote: > Leaving aside any discussion of whether it was a good idea to add "vibrancy" > to the OS, I do have a question about how to use it. Um, it was a terrible amateurish idea. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing

Blurry is the New Sharp

Leaving aside any discussion of whether it was a good idea to add "vibrancy" to the OS, I do have a question about how to use it. When a popup window or a pulldown such as a menu appears, using the content of whatever's under it as the source image for vibrancy makes sense because the tempora