Re: [clug-talk] WD Green HDD's with ZFS

2012-03-26 Thread Gustin Johnson
Even with access to nice RAID controllers, I am now solidly in the software (Linux only) RAID camp, unless you absolutely need the slight performance increase in the hardware solution. The ability to yank the drives out and put them into any computer, even one without a RAID controller is beyond n

Re: [clug-talk] OT: Help me pick my hardware

2012-03-26 Thread Royce Souther
/sys should not be needed in a server unless you have a goofy NIC that needs proprietary firmware ROM to work. I remove it from my servers without issue. /proc does not actually exist on the physical file system. It is a special mount that maps to memory inside the running kernel and lets you see w

Re: [clug-talk] WD Green HDD's with ZFS

2012-03-26 Thread Royce Souther
I like ext3/4 on top of LVM because I know it is very stable. I think I will try ZFS on one server and stick with ext4 on LVM for the other. I know that ext4 on LVM is fast enough to do what I need and the servers are identical so I will be able to see how fast ZFS is. The problem with why ZFS is

Re: [clug-talk] OT: Help me pick my hardware

2012-03-26 Thread Dan Graham
cron and dd with multiple sticks is a cool idea but can you use dd to image a mounted filesystem? I've never tried it. Thanks again, Dan On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Royce Souther wrote: > /sys should not be needed in a server unless you have a goofy NIC that > needs proprietary firmware RO

Re: [clug-talk] OT: Help me pick my hardware

2012-03-26 Thread Royce Souther
You can use dd to read a mounted system but not write to it. Any files being changed on the mounted one would end up corrupted on the none mounted one. After dd has been run the first time rsync would work better. Mounting the backup stick in /mnt and then using rsync to clone all the changes ignor

Re: [clug-talk] OT: Help me pick my hardware

2012-03-26 Thread Dan Graham
Royce I really like this. I will dd an image onto another stick and update it with cron and rsync. Its a plan! Thanks man... On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Royce Souther wrote: > You can use dd to read a mounted system but not write to it. Any files > being changed on the mounted one would en

Re: [clug-talk] WD Green HDD's with ZFS

2012-03-26 Thread Gustin Johnson
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Royce Souther wrote: > I like ext3/4 on top of LVM because I know it is very stable. I think I > will try ZFS on one server and stick with ext4 on LVM for the other. I know > that ext4 on LVM is fast enough to do what I need and the servers are > identical so I wi

Re: [clug-talk] OT: Help me pick my hardware

2012-03-26 Thread Gustin Johnson
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Royce Souther wrote: > /sys should not be needed in a server unless you have a goofy NIC that > needs proprietary firmware ROM to work. I remove it from my servers without > issue. > No, leave /sys alone. A lot more than that happens in /sys. See the following:

Re: [clug-talk] WD Green HDD's with ZFS

2012-03-26 Thread Shawn
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe FUSE is a viable option in multi-user settings. I was looking at using sshfs to provide a network share until I read that Fuse does not support file locking properly and therefore could encounter problems when a file is being written to from multipl

Re: [clug-talk] WD Green HDD's with ZFS

2012-03-26 Thread Cody Swanson
I have used ZFS extensively at home and at work for the last 5 years. My advice is don't use ZFS on linux. The fuse port is slow and you don't get some of the native OS features of ZFS. I also can't speak to it's reliability. There is also a kernel module built by 3rd party developers which wo