RE: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Alex Huang
> -Original Message- > From: Daniel Kulp [mailto:dk...@apache.org] > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:29 AM > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times) > > > On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Alex Huang wrote: >

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Noah Slater
That is a much better point than I was able to come up with. Thanks Daniel! :D On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote: > > On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Alex Huang wrote: > > >> The main "Red Flag" to me was the line: > >> > >> AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkin

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Alex Huang wrote: >> The main "Red Flag" to me was the line: >> >> AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkinsel, 17:24:57) >> >> As soon as I saw "AGREED", a little red flag popped up in my head wondering >> if a decision had been made on IRC that sh

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Noah Slater
There are no hard and fast rules. (Which makes it tricky to get right.) The goal here is to make the project transparent (permanent mail archives, posting IRC logs) and open (the most amount of people can contribute). The problem with IRC is that usually works against those goals. The logs sidest

RE: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Alex Huang
> The main "Red Flag" to me was the line: > > AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkinsel, 17:24:57) > > As soon as I saw "AGREED", a little red flag popped up in my head wondering > if a decision had been made on IRC that should have been done on the list. I > believe this had

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-10 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Sep 8, 2012, at 12:37 PM, John Kinsella wrote: > The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev > list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki. > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/IRC+Meetings+%28Logs+and+Minutes%29 Reading throug

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-08 Thread Noah Slater
Oh, this is fantastic. Thanks! On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM, John Kinsella wrote: > The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev > list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki. > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/IRC+Meetings+%28L

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Noah Slater
Heh. Thanks. See you around. :) On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din < nour.moham...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Noah... > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > My apologies, Mohammad. > > 1st of all no apologies are needed at Noah :), your concern was > totally cor

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Oooops a writing mistake, see below On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: > Hi Noah... > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Noah Slater wrote: >> My apologies, Mohammad. > > 1st of all no apologies are needed at Noah :), your concern was 1st of all no apologies are needed a

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Noah... On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > My apologies, Mohammad. 1st of all no apologies are needed at Noah :), your concern was totally correct and actually it shows the sense of awareness about open communities :) > > Just getting up to speed on CloudStack. (My first ti

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Noah Slater
My apologies, Mohammad. Just getting up to speed on CloudStack. (My first time being a mentor.) I shall take care to read the older threads. :) On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din < nour.moham...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Noah... > >Please read my feedback inline > > On Sat, Se

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Noah... Please read my feedback inline On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > How can people who do not use IRC participate in these meetings, or the > discussions held at them? > > It is important that community discussions take place on the mailing list. > And where they ta

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Good information John thanks :) On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM, John Kinsella wrote: > The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev > list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki. > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/IRC+Meetings+%28Lo

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-08 Thread Noah Slater
How can people who do not use IRC participate in these meetings, or the discussions held at them? It is important that community discussions take place on the mailing list. And where they take place off the mailing list, that they are summarised on the mailing list. It is also important that peopl

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-08 Thread John Kinsella
The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/IRC+Meetings+%28Logs+and+Minutes%29 John On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Noah Slater mailto:nsla...@tumbolia.org>

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-08 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi Noah... Thanks for your concern and clarification :). But we already discussed these concerns on another thread and they will be taken care of. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Do you have a plan for posting minutes to the mailing lists? > > Holding meetings on IRC is f

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-08 Thread Noah Slater
Do you have a plan for posting minutes to the mailing lists? Holding meetings on IRC is fine, but important information, discussions, and decisions must me taken (or announced) on the mailing lists. It is important to have a permanent record of project progress. Both from a foundation perspective,

Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Argh. Link here: http://doodle.com/65avd6m2ppmea8rz On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 05:22 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days. > > Thanks, > > Joe > -- > Joe Brockmeier > j...@zonker.net > Twitter: @jzb > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/ -- Joe Broc

Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days. Thanks, Joe -- Joe Brockmeier j...@zonker.net Twitter: @jzb http://www.dissociatedpress.net/

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Thanks. We did initially to set the first time (Friday 19:00 UTC). I'll go ahead and put up a doodle to get a consensus on times here. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:51 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: > Hi all > >Regardless the time to be used I believe it is better use something > like Doodle,

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
I totally agree - the better we can do at setting an agenda, the better. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:55 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: > Hi... > >Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time > that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time, > taki

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi... Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time, taking into account having ASF rules when it comes to off the mailing list communications. An idea I would like to propose is to have a certain list o

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi all Regardless the time to be used I believe it is better use something like Doodle, which I used in other Apache project communities and worked well for us. [1] http://doodle.com/ On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollande

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote: > The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner. That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on Eastern time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks who actually clock out at 5. (A

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Wido den Hollander
On 09/06/2012 09:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: Hi all, Last week, Wido raised a good point - that Friday 19:00UTC was not working out for folks in Europe, as "that's normally the time when you start to attend to your social life." He proposed moving the meetings to Wednesdays or Thursdays, and

RE: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Alex Huang
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Schweikert [mailto:rjsch...@suse.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:00 PM > To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: IRC Meeting Times > > On 09/06/2012 03:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > Hi all, >

Re: IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Robert Schweikert
On 09/06/2012 03:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: Hi all, Last week, Wido raised a good point - that Friday 19:00UTC was not working out for folks in Europe, as "that's normally the time when you start to attend to your social life." He proposed moving the meetings to Wednesdays or Thursdays, and at

IRC Meeting Times

2012-09-06 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Hi all, Last week, Wido raised a good point - that Friday 19:00UTC was not working out for folks in Europe, as "that's normally the time when you start to attend to your social life." He proposed moving the meetings to Wednesdays or Thursdays, and at 21:00UTC instead. (That'd be 2 p.m. Pacific,