2011/7/18 Arthur Edelstein
> > Yep, this is great! How about syntax highlighting?
>
> Thanks, good suggestion! I'm not a huge fan of most syntax
> highlighting -- what do you think would be helpful but unobtrusive?
>
News: CCW's syntax highlighting mechanism has moved (in my local repo,
already
Hi, I'm just back after some vacations without Internet connections. Please
give me a couple more days to emerge from the tons of emails and workload,
and I'll gladly help you in any possible ways.
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2011/7/18 Arthur Edelstein
>
>
> On Jul 18, 2:31 am, Shantanu Kumar wrote:
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, abp wrote:
> Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the
> default for a line and only manually reindented lines opt-out until
> one opts in again using TAB or something?
If I add an expression around existing code, I tend to use TAB if
sm
Hi Dave,
> Cool project, especially if it manages to *stay* lightweight :)
Thanks -- I hope it will! :)
> * You might want to take a look at JSyntaxPane
> (https://code.google.com/p/jsyntaxpane/) for the editor. In theory
> adding Clojure syntax highlighting should be straightforward and they
>
> FWIW I just double-clicked on the clooj jar and it launched like any other
> application -- I didn't have to know that it was a jar or even what a jar is.
> Assuming that this also works on other OSes (I'm using Mac OS X) then I think
> this is already beginner friendly. I *think* it also incl
Cool project, especially if it manages to *stay* lightweight :)
It is indeed difficult to build a console with Swing's text
components. Actually, I think it's difficult with the out-of-the-box
text components in just about any toolkit. They're not designed for it
and there are a ton of edge cases
On 18 Lug, 18:40, Arthur Edelstein wrote:
> Hi Tamreen,
>
> On Jul 18, 5:38 am, Tamreen Khan wrote:
>
> > It's a little confusing to see what's normally the text for the prompt,
> > "user=>", be in the window that shows the result. Why can't both the prompt
> > and the results be shown in the sam
nice name ! thanks again for new ide
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On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:54 AM, Clojure Neophyte wrote:
>
> Again, for Clojure to have wider adoption it should have a beginners' IDE. It
> shouldn't be distributed just as jar files.
FWIW I just double-clicked on the clooj jar and it launched like any other
application -- I didn't have to know t
>
> - I wish that Swing was prettier on the eye. I love nice GUIs.
>
> Me too. I think in the long run the coolest thing will be an in-
> browser clojure IDE for clojure-in-javascript, especially when multi-
> threaded javascript becomes available in web browsers.
>
>
Maybe you should drop Swing an
On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Ken Wesson wrote:
> Or, the traditional thing: full control, but tab or something will
> reindent the current line, or all lines intersecting the selection if
> any, to structurally-correct positions based on all of the code above,
> if tab is hit outside a string lit
> But please, please, please DON'T ABANDON THIS PROJECT.
I'll do my best to hang on. :)
> Thinking~~:
> - Maybe we need CLOOJ or something similar for .NET as well. David
> Miller's work should be rewarded with a CLOOJ of it's own.
> - A webstart version.
> - I hope that we don't start to see hun
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Arthur Edelstein
wrote:
> This is a very helpful discussion -- I'm going to think about tabs on
> the hammock.
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This is a very helpful discussion -- I'm going to think about tabs on
the hammock.
On Jul 18, 8:06 pm, Ken Wesson wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, abp wrote:
> > Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the
> > default for a line and only manually reindented line
all kinds and code contributions are much appreciated! :)
>
> Arthur Edelstein
> San Francisco
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>
> --- the application
> clooj is a small, simple IDE (integrated development environment) for
> the clojure programming langua
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:14 PM, abp wrote:
> Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the
> default for a line and only manually reindented lines opt-out until
> one opts in again using TAB or something?
This is an interesting thought. On the other hand, when lines are
me
I can't thank you enough for this Arthur. But please please don't abandon
this project. Clojure hackers have no excuse to lend you a hand since it is
written in Clojure.
A newbie IDE is what Clojure needs most. Scheme was used as a first language
so why shouldn't people be able to start with T
Why is it necessary to press TAB at all? Couldn't auto-indent be the
default for a line and only manually reindented lines opt-out until
one opts in again using TAB or something?
On 18 Jul., 22:20, Shantanu Kumar wrote:
> > All indentation uses spaces. I guess my fear is that users will find
> >
Arthur,
I can't thank you enough. Two great news in a week, that's awesome. I
am eagerly awaiting Wednesday.
But please, please, please DON'T ABANDON THIS PROJECT.
CLJ Hackers,
Please lend a hand. You have no excuse; it is written in Clojure. This
is what Clojure needs the most!
People shouldn't
Check out http://github.com/daveray/seesaw. It might help ease some of that
Swing pain.
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Hi Shantanu,
> Just wanted to highlight that both Emacs Clojure-mode and Eclipse/
> CounterClockWise use TAB to auto-indent the current line correctly.
> So, I guess the expectation would be likewise for the respective
> proportion of Clojure users. Though of course the key bindings should
> be re
Hi Timothy,
Thanks for your message.
> I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but I'm not getting
> error-output in the REPL. If I type
>
> (println foo)
>
> then do CTRL+E
>
> I see the REPL spit out the lines I entered, then nothing...
I don't know why are aren't getting an error message.
So, just to expand the scope - what kind of plugins should be
possible:
1. Source control plugins - Git, Mercurial, Subversion...
2. Theme/Look-n-feel plugins
3. Syntax highlight plugin - Clojure, Markdown, Textile, XML,
Leiningen project.clj, Rakefile, Ruby
4. Tool plugins -- Leiningen, Marginali
> All indentation uses spaces. I guess my fear is that users will find
> it annoying if the TAB key is devoted to smart indentation and space
> and delete are the only tools for adjusting the indentation manually.
> But maybe manual indentation is a rare enough that it is better to use
> TAB for sm
> > You may also consider building a plugin architecture for Clooj. For
> > example, Leiningen support can be built by writing a plugin.
>
> That's an interesting idea. How do you envision a plugin architecture
> should work?
>From the top of my head it looks like it should be possible to safely
m
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but I'm not getting
error-output in the REPL. If I type
(println foo)
then do CTRL+E
I see the REPL spit out the lines I entered, then nothing...
Some sort of error feedback would be nice.
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> I use TAB. Just about the only file type I edit for which it doesn't
> do this are Makefiles. C/C++, Clojure/Lisp, O'Caml source files, etc,
> I use TAB in Emacs and expect it do make the current line indented
> appropriately, whether I'm at the beginning, end or in the middle of
> the line. I ca
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Arthur Edelstein
wrote:
> Tallied. :) What's your favorite keyboard shortcut for invoking smart
> indent? Is it TAB? I imagine it's still important to be able to indent
> and de-indent manually, but maybe I'm wrong.
I use TAB. Just about the only file type I edit
> Yes, it does say that now that I'm checking again, I must have missed
> it the first time around. I just confused it with a regular file
> dialog box. My feeling about a different style dialog box stands,
Thanks for pointing it out; I'll try to fix that.
> I'm much, much more
> interested in a
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Arthur Edelstein
wrote:
>> Not sure if I'm not misunderstanding the initial creating of a
>> project, but it seems to me that I am using a file dialog box for a
>> directory selection. As it wasn't entirely clear what it expected me
>> to do at that point, I just t
> Not sure if I'm not misunderstanding the initial creating of a
> project, but it seems to me that I am using a file dialog box for a
> directory selection. As it wasn't entirely clear what it expected me
> to do at that point, I just typed in some name without knowing for
> sure if it was suppose
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Arthur Edelstein
wrote:
> --- more work needed
> clooj is a work in progress. Your suggestions, criticisms and code
> contributions are appreciated.
Not sure if I'm not misunderstanding the initial creating of a
project, but it seems to me that I am using a file d
> One of my biggest complaints against larger IDE's is trying
> to get them to look at the lein classpaths. Getting the same result in
> my repl as I get by doing "lein run" would be awesome.
That's more or less what I've been attempting to do, but I need to
check carefully that I have covered the
> Another kick-ass feature would be first-class integration with
> Leiningen (and likewise, with Cake) - you can discover the list of
> commands using the "lein" command without any args. Once you discover
> the command names you can display it in a menu. When a user clicks one
> of those menu ite
There's allot here I really like. This could end up being "the" IDE
for clojure newbies. I agree though, lein integration would be
awesome. One of my biggest complaints against larger IDE's is trying
to get them to look at the lein classpaths. Getting the same result in
my repl as I get by doing "l
> > The REPL input is the lower right pane. I think I should add some
> > labels on each pane.
>
> Ah yes -- now I see it and that works fine. Thanks also to Adam Burry for
> pointing this out. As Tamreen Khan noted it's a little confusing that there's
> a prompt in the upper pane while input can
Hi Tamreen,
On Jul 18, 5:38 am, Tamreen Khan wrote:
> It's a little confusing to see what's normally the text for the prompt,
> "user=>", be in the window that shows the result. Why can't both the prompt
> and the results be shown in the same area?
That is a good point. I wanted a multi-line edi
On Jul 18, 3:16 am, Florian Over wrote:
> Hmm, good idea
> but somehow i can't save ...
> It always says "Oops" "Unable to save file"
> When i'm at home i will give it another try.
Hi Florian,
There are two requirements:
1. You need to have a project open, in a writable directory.
2. You need to
On Jul 18, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Arthur Edelstein wrote:
>
> The REPL input is the lower right pane. I think I should add some
> labels on each pane.
Ah yes -- now I see it and that works fine. Thanks also to Adam Burry for
pointing this out. As Tamreen Khan noted it's a little confusing that ther
On Jul 18, 7:24 pm, Arthur Edelstein
wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2:31 am, Shantanu Kumar wrote:
>
> > This is so cool. Any chance you can use Laurent Petit's
> > Paredit?https://github.com/laurentpetit/paredit.clj
>
> Thanks, that's a very interesting idea. Perhaps, if Laurent doesn't
> mind! :)
Laur
Hi Lee,
> Tab moves it to the right, shift-tab moves it to the left, but is there a
> way to say "move it to the correct place
A very good point -- added to the clooj github issues.
> - I just created a new project and I get a user prompt in the REPL pane but I
> can't type anything into tha
Hi Florian,
> but somehow i can't save ...
> It always says "Oops" "Unable to save file"
Sorry, you need to choose "File > New" first, or open a project with
existing source files. I will try to fix this issue soon.
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On Jul 18, 2:31 am, Shantanu Kumar wrote:
> This is so cool. Any chance you can use Laurent Petit's
> Paredit?https://github.com/laurentpetit/paredit.clj
Thanks, that's a very interesting idea. Perhaps, if Laurent doesn't
mind! :)
> Any roadmap for features? Syntax highlight, autocomplete etc
> Yep, this is great! How about syntax highlighting?
Thanks, good suggestion! I'm not a huge fan of most syntax
highlighting -- what do you think would be helpful but unobtrusive?
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It's a little confusing to see what's normally the text for the prompt,
"user=>", be in the window that shows the result. Why can't both the prompt
and the results be shown in the same area?
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Adam Burry wrote:
> > - I just created a new project and I get a user pr
> - I just created a new project and I get a user prompt in the REPL pane but I
> can't type anything into that... so I can't actually try it... I click in
> there but I don't get a cursor there, and typing does nothing. In case it
> matters I'm running Mac OS 10.6.8 and java -version says:
Re-
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> clooj runs as a standalone application or you can embed it in other
> JVM programs. (See the README, below).
>
> This is an alpha release and I plan to continue further development.
> Feedback of all kinds and code contributions are much appreciated! :)
>
Hmm, good idea
but somehow i can't save ...
It always says "Oops" "Unable to save file"
When i'm at home i will give it another try.
Thank you
Florian
2011/7/18 Vivek Khurana
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Arthur Edelstein
> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I want to let you know about clo
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Arthur Edelstein
wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I want to let you know about clooj, a small, simple IDE for clojure
> that I have been developing (in clojure). It's packaged as a single
> jar file (including clojure 1.2), here:
> https://github.com/downloads/arthuredel
plan to continue further development.
> Feedback of all kinds and code contributions are much appreciated! :)
>
> Arthur Edelstein
> San Francisco
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> clooj, a lightweight IDE for clojure
>
> --- the application
> clooj is a small, simple IDE (integrated devel
clooj runs as a standalone application or you can embed it in other
> JVM programs. (See the README, below).
>
> This is an alpha release and I plan to continue further development.
> Feedback of all kinds and code contributions are much appreciated! :)
>
> Arthur Edelstein
> San
Arthur hi,
that's cool! Just works out of the box! I will recommend it to everyone that
wants to try clojure.
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This is a first for me, a Clojure IDE that "just works".
Big thumbs up!
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