Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Michael Wood
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Mike Perham wrote: > > I would like to see more practical screencasts. RH's Clojure talks > are interesting but only at a high level. I'd like to see a > screencast on Emacs/SLIME because I have no idea what the hell it is > or what it offers over a basic screen

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Mark Engelberg
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Jan Rychter wrote: > I don't buy it. When you start using Python, nobody handholds you so > that you can pick an editor. You just use whatever you have. So what's > the deal here? At least on Windows, Python comes with IDLE, which is surprisingly full-featured gi

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Luc Prefontaine
I agree, IDE wise, SciTe or Vim, a running REPL in a shell and load-file just does it for us... Years ago I was using Emacs but left it for other IDEs (Eclipse) for so long that I would need a few weeks to get back into it. Not having the time in the last 6 months to dedicate getting fluent again

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Mike Perham
I would like to see more practical screencasts. RH's Clojure talks are interesting but only at a high level. I'd like to see a screencast on Emacs/SLIME because I have no idea what the hell it is or what it offers over a basic screencast. Likewise, doing screencasts on macros, concurrency primi

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread janus
Mibu On Dec 18, 1:22 pm, Mibu wrote: > On Dec 18, 2:37 pm, janus wrote: > > > I think I need a mentor! > > Come to the IRC channel (#clojure on irc.freenode.net). The people > there are friendly, helpful, and surprisingly patient. > > Thanks for your advice,however, if you wont mind I will ant

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Meikel Brandmeyer
Hi, On 18 Dez., 14:09, Mibu wrote: > An editor for a lisp language is not just a text editor for the source > that you then compile. It's an environment that interacts with a REPL. We should stay on the carpet, shouldn't we? If you have such an environment, fine. I use vim, which is undoubtedly

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Mibu
On Dec 18, 2:37 pm, janus wrote: > I think I need a mentor! Come to the IRC channel (#clojure on irc.freenode.net). The people there are friendly, helpful, and surprisingly patient. Mibu --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Dave Newton
--- On Thu, 12/18/08, Mibu wrote: > An editor for a lisp language is not just a text editor for > the source that you then compile. It's an environment that > interacts with a REPL. So people can't just use whatever > they've been using. Of course you can--there's no *requirement* that your edit

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Mibu
On Dec 18, 1:20 pm, Jan Rychter wrote: > I don't buy it. When you start using Python, nobody handholds you so > that you can pick an editor. You just use whatever you have. So what's > the deal here? An editor for a lisp language is not just a text editor for the source that you then compile. It

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread janus
Mibu, Thanks for your post because it captures what I am passing through. I have not done FP before and I am not even a great programmer, and with FP comes a sea of concepts and abstracts I have not heard before. These concepts and abstracts led me to conclude that FP is not made for mere mortals

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Jesse Aldridge
Regarding the editor part, Scite could be a good option, especially for beginners. It's a whole hell of a lot simpler than emacs and vim. All you really have to do by way of configuration is go to "Options" - > "Open User Options File" and paste in the following lines: --- file.patterns.lisp=*

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Jan Rychter
Mibu writes: > I recommended clojure to a dozen friends or so and after a while none > of them stuck with it. I know clojure being a lisp and being at the > current development stage is not for everyone, but after I probed why > people gave up with it I saw the barriers to entry were largely > su

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-17 Thread falcon
Good post! I have been going through the same problems myself. It looks like enclojure is going to have a Netbeans 6.5 release very soon (still alpha though). I've also tried to figure out the best way to learn Clojure. After flailing about a bit, last night I printed out all the documents on c