On Feb 20, 3:05 pm, Sean Corfield wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Sergey Didenko
>
> wrote:
> > It looks like our community already has a lot of articles, tutorials,
> > gists, but they are just not very reachable to beginners.
> >
> > May be what we really need is a meta site or artic
I feel that it should be pointed out that all three of Eclipse, Netbeans
and IntelliJ IDEA are, under the covers, platforms for building IDEs,
rather than just IDEs themselves.
Oddly enough, out of the three, I had the simplest transition with IntelliJ
- only had to install clojure and leiningen p
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Sergey Didenko
wrote:
> May be what we really need is a meta site or article on clojure.org or
> promotion of other meta site like
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/clojure, with a lot of
> community rated links to existing resources?
Folks could contrib
It looks like our community already has a lot of articles, tutorials,
gists, but they are just not very reachable to beginners.
May be what we really need is a meta site or article on clojure.org or
promotion of other meta site like
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/clojure, with a lot of
> > - This Clojure-IDE is actually Eclipse for Clojure (which integrates
> > Clojure, Counterclockwise and lein libraries - not as external tools)
>
> Hang on, you were advocating Clojure for non-Java devs, yes? Yet you
> want to inflict Eclipse on them? I'm only half-joking here. Non-Java
> develo
> This will sound obvious to a lot of people, but just this week I had a
> real aha moment. It's awesome to be using a lisp in the Java
> ecosystem. There's a Java library for just about anything and not a
> half-finished library somebody hacked together for their own needs,
> but an industri
> I think the big problem, is that Clojure makes a big deal about being
> "Simple". That is, avoiding unneeded complexity, but then throws its
> users into the sea of complexity that is Java.
>
The choice to build on Java definitely takes us away from simplicity, but
we gain a lot of power and
On Feb 14, 9:50 pm, g1i1ch wrote:
> It seems
> that to fully learn clojure, you first must know java. You can see it
> especially in the documentation which is fully java programmer
> focused. My problem is that I don't know java and I really don't have
> the time to or the desire to learn java
> Please understand that these are* personal notes* and as such are very,
> very messy.
>
> http://seanneilan.com/Clojure.html
>
In a similar vein, I posted three pages of (early) notes on working
with the labrepl tutorial environment, starting at
http://www.gettingclojure.com/notes:clojure-notes-l
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:57 AM, abaitam wrote:
> a) All those concrete things around you look like objects that has
> properties and actions:
I don't think that's true for a lot of brand new programmers. It's
true for Java programmers because everything is an object in their
world. But I deal wi
1. You can't do GUI or game development without using Java.
A: Yes, that's true. Clojure was designed to use the vast libraries
of Java. Java documentation is superb so if you want to do anything
graphical, I'd suggest the Java tutorial and JavaFX especially for all
things graphical. It's really
A treasure!
I will from now on start to jot down whatever I do also.
/Linus
2012/2/16 Sean Neilan
> Of course, I won't be able to write the entire Recipe Book by myself. I
> will contribute all the recipes I have discovered with test cases.
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Sean Neilan wr
I'm working on something like this by keeping notes on everything I've
encountered so far in Clojure 1.3.0.
Please understand that these are* personal notes* and as such are very,
very messy.
http://seanneilan.com/Clojure.html
When I have the time, I will volunteer to clean up my notes and turn
Of course, I won't be able to write the entire Recipe Book by myself. I
will contribute all the recipes I have discovered with test cases.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Sean Neilan wrote:
> I'm working on something like this by keeping notes on everything I've
> encountered so far in Clojure
It is clear that most Clojure documentation (books, tutorials, blog posts)
address Java or other language developers. I am at chapter three of the
"Clojure Programming" book and so far I have seen many snippets of Ruby and
Python code. That's not necessarily wrong but obviously the
book assumes
Nothing I said was meant to dismiss any particular contribution(s) of any
kind made by anyone.
If this was not clear, apologies.
On Thursday, February 16, 2012, Gregg Williams
wrote:
>> It's tiresome to hear people complain about something they do not
>> contribute anything towards.
>
> Thank yo
> It's tiresome to hear people complain about something they do not
> contribute anything towards.
Thank you for your extremely helpful critique.
By the way, please go to http://www.GettingClojure.com, a web site
that I started and contributed to, which nobody (except Sean Cornfeld)
expressed any
On Feb 16, 2012, at 12:16 PM, David Nolen wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Gregg Williams
> wrote:
> Would it kill somebody to write a library of simple functions that
> would answer most beginners' simple needs, then have it "blessed" as
> canonical? I'd write it myself, but I still
Armando Blancas writes:
>> Can you provide some more specific examples of what's missing?
>
> Surely you're joking, Mr. Hagelberg.
I was asking because when I was starting, I found I had trouble
specifically with Java's IO classes. This article was written after I
had already learned what I need
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Gregg Williams wrote:
> Would it kill somebody to write a library of simple functions that
> would answer most beginners' simple needs, then have it "blessed" as
> canonical? I'd write it myself, but I still don't know enough! If
> every beginner has to painfully
> I think the big problem, is that Clojure makes a big deal about being
> "Simple". That is, avoiding unneeded complexity, but then throws its
> users into the sea of complexity that is Java. If I want to write
> arbitrary binary data to a file, I really don't want to take the time
> to learn wha
> Initially, the java aspect is a bit daunting. However, I don't believe you
> need to know java in order to take advantage of all the java interop
> features of clojure.
So as a background, before I give my two cents. I'm a C# developer by
trade, and feel very comfortable with .NET. I also have q
Hi All,
very new to clojure, so thought my experience may be relevant.
Initially, the java aspect is a bit daunting. However, I don't believe you
need to know java in order to take advantage of all the java interop
features of clojure. All that you really need is to understand how to read
jav
Regarding don't want to learn Java. I understand fully, but can I suggest
downloading a major java-IDE and make some small and simple java-katas in
it?
I would suggest IntelliJ IDEAs Community Edition (there are other, ofc) and
then going through some examples from the surprisingly well written Ja
I don't think your tone is very helpful Armando. It's perfectly
reasonable to ask for specific examples - so that there are actionable
tasks we as a group can take on, rather than just some vague "the
documentation is too Java-centric" complaint.
When I read the OP, I was not sure what he was real
> Can you provide some more specific examples of what's missing?
Surely you're joking, Mr. Hagelberg.
> I don't know any Java and was able to manage pretty well.
This is no time for modesty, lest the OP might feel his troubles
aren't even valid. Perhaps better to say that a rudimentary grasp of
The documentation definitely exists. A lot of people have written a
lot about clojure. The time consuming part is sorting and making sense
of it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 15, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Phil Hagelberg wrote:
> g1i1ch writes:
>
>> Thanks for the reply, I mostly want to get out of the w
Also, since the language is recent and has changed so rapidly, a lot
of documentation has become out of date but still exists. That has to
be sorted out too.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 15, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Phil Hagelberg wrote:
> g1i1ch writes:
>
>> Thanks for the reply, I mostly want to get
g1i1ch writes:
> Thanks for the reply, I mostly want to get out of the way my main
> reason for writing the shout out. I think the language is a nod to the
> future of lisp and possibly one of the greatest lisps around with
> wondrous support. I want the language to succeed. Because of that I
> w
You actually do need to know a thing or two about programming in Java.
There's so many useful Java libraries that get real work done when you need
it done.
I'm a Java programmer so I haven't had this problem. If I didn't know Java,
learning clojure would've been twice as hard.
It took me 3 months
Thanks for the reply, I mostly want to get out of the way my main
reason for writing the shout out. I think the language is a nod to the
future of lisp and possibly one of the greatest lisps around with
wondrous support. I want the language to succeed. Because of that I
wanted to point to the issue
Java is not a barrier of entry for Clojure for most folks - it is in fact
one of the major reasons for Clojure's success. If you're mostly
interesting in GUIs and games - some people have taken the time to provide
Clojure-y libraries for just that.
- Games, https://github.com/ztellman/penumbra
- G
Hi,
While you don't need to know all about Java the language to use Clojure,
you DO need to learn about the standard Java APIs for things like I/O,
networking, GUIs, etc. Clojure doesn't try to hide those features of the
host platform (whether in Java, C#, or JavaScript). There are great
tutor
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