I don't think your tone is very helpful Armando. It's perfectly
reasonable to ask for specific examples - so that there are actionable
tasks we as a group can take on, rather than just some vague "the
documentation is too Java-centric" complaint.

When I read the OP, I was not sure what he was really complaining
about or asking for. I don't agree with the assertion that all the
documentation assumes Java knowledge - and clearly a lot of non-Java
programmers have managed to pick up Clojure just fine.

Even tho' I have Java experience, I had no experience with Maven so
the whole library dependency thing was new to me - but it didn't seem
Java-centric. I had experienced the classpath aspect of Java but,
frankly, Leiningen completely hides that. The only "required" Java
experience, as far as I can see, is if you _choose_ to use Java
libraries within Clojure - and even that is just a matter of reading a
library's documentation and applying the interop rules...

Your snide remark about a build tool is not appropriate given how
popular Leiningen is and how much work Phil and many others have put
into it.

Sean

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Armando Blancas <abm221...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can you provide some more specific examples of what's missing?
>
> Surely you're joking, Mr. Hagelberg.
>
>> I don't know any Java and was able to manage pretty well.
>
> This is no time for modesty, lest the OP might feel his troubles
> aren't even valid. Perhaps better to say that a rudimentary grasp of
> Java (language, libraries, tools) can go a long way. Then one day...
> we'll get a killer build tool or something.

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