Re: [clamav-users] Clam in a very low memory environment?

2014-03-12 Thread Per Jessen
unning Clam in a very low memory configuration? Is it > do-able? Sure, my test-system nodes only have about 400M RAM. I use my own clam daemon, but the functionality is the same. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV 0.103.2 security patch release

2021-04-10 Thread Per Jessen
G.W. Haywood wrote: > Hi there, > > On Sat, 10 Apr 2021, Per Jessen wrote: > >> When I built $SUBJ just now, I see >> >> libclammspack.so.0 >> => >> /home/per/workspace/clamav-0.103.2/libclamav/.libs/libclammspack.so.0 >> >> ie. with

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV 0.103.2 security patch release

2021-04-10 Thread Per Jessen
Per Jessen wrote: > >> If this is after install, exactly how did you build it? > > I don't normally do a "make install", I copy the libraries to the > destination servers directly. I only need the libraries. Having just built and installed on another machine,

Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV 0.103.2 security patch release

2021-04-10 Thread Per Jessen
G.W. Haywood via clamav-users wrote: > Hi there, > > On Sat, 10 Apr 2021, Per Jessen wrote: >> G.W. Haywood wrote: >>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2021, Per Jessen wrote: >>> >>>> When I built $SUBJ just now, I see >>>> >>>> libclammspack

[Clamav-users] Suggestion - make the source package available without the main.cvd database

2009-06-18 Thread Per Jessen
Any chance of making the source package available without the current cvd databases? The current package is 24Mb, without the CVD it's only 3Mb. Just a suggestion, but it might just save some bandwidth. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us bu

Re: [Clamav-users] freshclam - how to hard-code to specific IP?

2009-09-02 Thread Per Jessen
'database.clamav.net' pointing to whereever you want. Or you just update /etc/freshclam.conf to point to only only mirror. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml

[Clamav-users] third party signatures are given preference ?

2009-10-22 Thread Per Jessen
Email.Trojan.GZC aka Sanesecurity.Malware.8825. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV Memory Usage

2009-12-02 Thread Per Jessen
atabase files under /var/lib/clamav use > about 70MB. So, even assuming this is kept in memory at all times, > where does the other 120MB come from? Maybe when the database is reloaded? I don't know clamd that well, but I suspect it'll probably have two copies of the database i

[Clamav-users] lastest daily.cvd (10938) might cause an issue for clamd users who have not upgraded to libclamav 0.96

2010-05-07 Thread Per Jessen
t also affect clamd users, but I'm posting this "just in case". /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml

Re: [Clamav-users] lastest daily.cvd (10938) might cause an issue for clamd users who have not upgraded to libclamav 0.96

2010-05-07 Thread Per Jessen
Per Jessen wrote: > I'm running my own custom clamav daemon, and just now I ran into an > issue when reloading the latest daily.cvd. cl_load() seems to be > looking for a file named 'daily.ldb' - it isn't found, which causes a > segfault. I don't yet kno

Re: [Clamav-users] Latest daily.cld update causes segfault

2010-05-07 Thread Per Jessen
Toby Bryans wrote: > Thanks Luca, I obviously should have checked there in retrospect! > It was posted 8 minutes after your posting, so checking there wouldn't have done you any good :-) /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehen

Re: [Clamav-users] Latest daily.cld update causes segfault

2010-05-07 Thread Per Jessen
Toby Bryans wrote: > On 7 May 2010 12:28, Per Jessen wrote: > >> Toby Bryans wrote: >> >> > Thanks Luca, I obviously should have checked there in retrospect! >> > >> >> It was posted 8 minutes after your posting, so checking there >> wou

Re: [clamav-users] How can I have clamd reject items that can't be scanned?

2011-11-09 Thread Per Jessen
t's not about not being able to scan, it's about not wanting to scan. Regardless, clamav doesn't reject or approve mails, that's for your MTA to do. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://

Re: [clamav-users] How can I have clamd reject items that can't be scanned?

2011-11-09 Thread Per Jessen
Rob Sterenborg (lists) wrote: > On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 10:31 +0100, Per Jessen wrote: >> Peter Bradeen wrote: >> >> > I see that there are ways to limit the level of archive that will >> > be >> > scanned as well as the size of the entities to be scanne

Re: [clamav-users] How can I have clamd reject items that can't be scanned?

2011-11-09 Thread Per Jessen
Simon Hobson wrote: > Per Jessen wrote: > >> >> It's not about not being able to scan, it's about not wanting to >>>> scan. Regardless, clamav doesn't reject or approve mails, that's >>>> for your MTA to do. >>> >>&

[Clamav-users] scriptedupdates ignored if daily.inc exists

2007-03-08 Thread Per Jessen
x27;d left the daily.inc directory. When I removed it, freshclam retrieved the daily cvd on the next attempt. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] Problem with big mails

2007-03-29 Thread Per Jessen
have 4 mails on one of the servers that vary in size from > 20MB to 60 MB. Virus-scanning anything bigger than 1-2Mb makes little sense. ANything as big as 20Mb, I would just skip without further consideration. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build

[Clamav-users] clamav gcc dependendencies ...

2007-12-17 Thread Per Jessen
fixing this gcc problem in the clamav source? /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] clamav gcc dependendencies ...

2007-12-18 Thread Per Jessen
- no changes until mid-Jan. clamav is one of very few exceptions. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

[Clamav-users] freshclam complains about /etc/clamd.conf ?

2008-01-15 Thread Per Jessen
ing clamd - any reason why freshclam should complain about /etc/clamd.conf ? /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] freshclam complains about /etc/clamd.conf ?

2008-01-15 Thread Per Jessen
has never done so before. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] freshclam complains about /etc/clamd.conf ?

2008-01-15 Thread Per Jessen
Per Jessen wrote: > Wait - I didn't ask how to fix the problem. I'm more interested to > know why freshclam complains about this _unused_ config-file when it > has never done so before. Please ignore - problem found and solved.

[Clamav-users] freshclam logfile size

2008-03-14 Thread Per Jessen
Am I the first person to suggest the default max logsize should be 0 instead of 1M (or some other arbitrary value) ? /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav

[Clamav-users] What's the benefit of having libiconv installed?

2008-09-30 Thread Per Jessen
of it is in relation to clamav? It's obviously optional, and clamav sems to do quite well without it. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml

[clamav-users] file not recognised by clamav, but by many others?

2018-03-20 Thread Per Jessen
system), but it is recognised by many others. https://files.jessen.ch/materials-20161511_121132836553-doc.exe -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-0.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. ___ clamav-users mailing list clamav-users

Re: [clamav-users] file not recognised by clamav, but by many others?

2018-03-20 Thread Per Jessen
curious that such a relatively old virus is not identified by ClamAV. (nor by Sanesec signatures for that matter). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. ___ clamav-users mailing

[clamav-users] unable to build with --enable-libclamav-only

2020-02-24 Thread Per Jessen
c --mandir=/usr/share/man I must be missing something? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.5°C) ___ clamav-users mailing list clamav-users@lists.clamav.net https://lists.clamav.net/mailman/listinfo/clamav-users Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: htt

Re: [clamav-users] unable to build with --enable-libclamav-only

2020-02-25 Thread Per Jessen
Michael Orlitzky via clamav-users wrote: > On 2/24/20 5:28 AM, Per Jessen wrote: >> I've just stumbled on this new config >> option - "--enable-libclamav-only ". However, I still get complaints >> about libcurl (for freshclam and clamdsubmit) ? >>

Re: [clamav-users] Services Difference & Memory Utilization

2020-09-14 Thread Per Jessen
*possibly* be able to run clamd on a system with > only 2G of RAM It _can_ be done, using cgroups to restrict the amount of memory used, but it'll be doing a bit of swapping. For email processing, we run clamd on virtual machines with slightly less than 3Gb memory, of

[Clamav-users] clamav-virusdb-xml ?

2005-02-22 Thread Per Jessen
I haven't seen any mails from the XML-list since Feb4 - what's the story? Was I accidentally unsubscribed or is the list down? /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] Freshclam and Cron

2005-02-22 Thread Per Jessen
l/bin/freshclam > This is mine: From /etc/cron.d/clamav: 2 * * * * root /usr/bin/freshclam /Per Jessen -- http://www.spamchek.ch/freetrial - lassen Sie sich überzeugen - 30 Tage Kostenlos! ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

[Clamav-users] Re: clamav-virusdb-xml ?

2005-02-22 Thread Per Jessen
Luca Gibelli wrote: > Hello Per Jessen, > >> I haven't seen any mails from the XML-list since Feb4 - what's the story? >> Was >> I accidentally unsubscribed or is the list down? > > We sent a message announcing that we were taking down the service. We&

[Clamav-users] triggering a freshclam off the clamav-virusdb notify?

2005-02-24 Thread Per Jessen
ted or the mirror or what? /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

[Clamav-users] Re: triggering a freshclam off the clamav-virusdb notify?

2005-02-24 Thread Per Jessen
Brian Morrison wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:09:23 +0100 in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Per > Jessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I've setup a freshclam that is triggered off the incoming notify for >> clamav-virusdb. For 722 at 0046CET today, I got the email, but

[Clamav-users] Re: Re: triggering a freshclam off the clamav-virusdb notify?

2005-02-24 Thread Per Jessen
ading the load. Anyway, thanks for the clarification. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

[Clamav-users] OnUpdateExecute

2005-02-25 Thread Per Jessen
but I hadn't expected it to also stop freshclam checking for new updates. I guess freshclam is waiting for it to finish before continuing - surely not the intentional behaviour? /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

[Clamav-users] Re: OnUpdateExecute

2005-02-25 Thread Per Jessen
for OnErrorExecute and OnUpdateExecute when it's running as a daemon - as commandline it'll still use system(). /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.co,uk/freetrial - sign up for your free 30-day trial now! ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

[Clamav-users] Re: php-clamav

2005-02-25 Thread Per Jessen
Steven Stern wrote: > It appears that Gareth Andron and the php-clamav project have been wiped > from the face of the earth. Yeah, his fission.org.uk domain has expired. (Gareth Ardron btw). /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.ne

[Clamav-users] RE: Report Phishing attacks?

2005-03-22 Thread Per Jessen
use ClamAV does not seem to imply that ClamAV is not competing with commercial vendors. In fact, what is the _primary_ advantage of ClamAV over [your favourite commercial AV product]? Price. ClamAV may not be competing for commercial gain, but it is certainly competing for the market.

[Clamav-users] is there a way of telling when a particular signature was added to the db?

2005-04-15 Thread Per Jessen
hen (or in which db-version) the signature was added? (using an API of course). thanks. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

[Clamav-users] virus detected using clamscan but not with Mail::ClamAV perl module

2005-12-22 Thread Per Jessen
.thorium", CL_ARCHIVE|CL_MAIL); # $status is an overloaded object die "Failed to scan: $status" unless $status; if ($status->virus) { print "identified virus \"$status\".\n"; } else { print "no virus identified: $status\n"; } # ./perlclam

[Clamav-users] Re: virus detected using clamscan but not with Mail::ClamAV perl module

2005-12-22 Thread Per Jessen
eports clean. I'm just now upgrading the Mail::ClamAV module to 0.17 (from 0.11) - maybe that'll fix it. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

[Clamav-users] Re: virus detected using clamscan but not with Mail::ClamAV perl module

2005-12-22 Thread Per Jessen
Per Jessen wrote: > OK, just tried that - it still reports clean. I'm just now upgrading > the Mail::ClamAV module to 0.17 (from 0.11) - maybe that'll fix it. Yeah, 0.17 fixed it - thanks for the fast response. Sorry about wasting your time and bandwidth. /Pe

[Clamav-users] FAQ #13 - Can phishing be considered one kind of spam?

2006-04-15 Thread Per Jessen
What's the current schedule for 0.90? And what are my options (for not having clamav consider phishing==virus) until then? I'm using libclamav programmatically - I don't suppose cl_scanfile() could be convinced to return CL_PHISHING when appropriate :-) /Per

Re: [Clamav-users] FAQ #13 - Can phishing be considered one kind of spam?

2006-04-15 Thread Per Jessen
Dennis Peterson wrote: > Per Jessen wrote: >> What's the current schedule for 0.90? And what are my options (for >> not having clamav consider phishing==virus) until then? >> I'm using libclamav programmatically - I don't suppose cl_scanfile() >> cou

Re: [Clamav-users] FAQ #13 - Can phishing be considered one kind of spam?

2006-04-15 Thread Per Jessen
Dennis Peterson wrote: > Here's a script that should work. Read the assumptions carefully and > mind the emailer linewrapping in logger strings: Thanks Dennis, just the sort of thing I was hoping for. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker

Re: [Clamav-users] Quarantine for clamav ?

2006-04-18 Thread Per Jessen
would say that is more of a job for your mail-server, not clamav. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] Re: FAQ #13 - Can phishing be considered one kindof spam?

2006-04-19 Thread Per Jessen
Sven Strickroth wrote: > Hi, > > "Per Jessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dennis Peterson wrote: > >> Per Jessen wrote: >> It has always been possible to unpack the pattern files and remove >> the

Re: [Clamav-users] Progressive scan ?

2006-04-20 Thread Per Jessen
ing the modification date of files. Sounds like you could do with a simple combination of clamav and the find command. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] 0.88.3 oops

2006-07-03 Thread Per Jessen
ed the download link in the RSS feed. > For everyone's benefit, here is a direct link to 0.88.3: > Is there any particular reason why freshclam is not making me aware of the new version? I use the OnOutdatedExecute option, but it hasn't been triggered. /Per Jessen, Zürich _

Re: [Clamav-users] 0.88.3 oops

2006-07-03 Thread Per Jessen
Stephen Gran wrote: > On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 03:37:42PM +0200, Per Jessen said: >> Is there any particular reason why freshclam is not making me aware >> of the new version? I use the OnOutdatedExecute option, but it >> hasn't been triggered. > > I understand i

Re: [Clamav-users] 0.88.3 oops

2006-07-04 Thread Per Jessen
bit in the TXT record. I have to admit to being one of those lazy, err ... busy, sysadmins. I find freshclams outdated warning very useful. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] 0.88.3 oops

2006-07-06 Thread Per Jessen
Luca Gibelli wrote: >> Why isn't freshclam complaining? > > because there are no security issues associated with the new release. > Instead of filling the logs with warnings, we give our users 2 days to > perform the upgrade. Hi Luca, I still haven't seen any warn

Re: [Clamav-users] Has anyone set up a local virus definitions server?

2006-07-16 Thread Per Jessen
/www/htdocs, can it be a smb form (like > smb://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to cvd's)? Any help is appreciated. Filesystem paths only, no URLs. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] let's all make a regular domation to ClamAV

2006-11-03 Thread Per Jessen
e if you are able to. Don't just be a freeloader. I think it is entirely reasonable, but for a business to make donations, I think the ClamAV project needs to be able 1) issue invoices and 2) accept payment via non-paypal channels. Maybe even in EUR. /Per Jessen, Zürich

[Clamav-users] OUTDATED?

2006-11-04 Thread Per Jessen
d, but it looks like that only happens when the DNS reports a newer software version. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] OUTDATED?

2006-11-04 Thread Per Jessen
Per Jessen wrote: > According to freshclam, my installation (0.88.5) is outdated: > Please ignore. I've just now caught up with the other thread on this. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question

2006-11-09 Thread Per Jessen
got nothing to do with taxes - it's a matter of practicality; getting budget approval for a business expense is much easier than for charity. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

[Clamav-users] submit-to-publish time much too long for phishing

2006-11-28 Thread Per Jessen
nd 32 hours later. I understand it was on a weekend etc., but for ClamAVs phishing detection/protection to have any meaning/reason at all, the time from submit to publish needs to be a LOT shorter. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive C

Re: [Clamav-users] submit-to-publish time much too long for phishing

2006-11-28 Thread Per Jessen
on, discovering and responding to truly > destructive outbreaks, etc. As a matter of principle, maintaining the database of what ClamAV is supposed to detect must have the highest priority, IMHO. If not, everything else is pointless. /Per Jessen, Zürich __

Re: [Clamav-users] submit-to-publish time much too long for phishing

2006-11-28 Thread Per Jessen
Per Jessen wrote: >> The best defense against phishing is and has always been education, >> fwiw. > Quick additional comment - I used to use the very same argument, but experience and age have taught me that people are stupid. /Per

Re: [Clamav-users] submit-to-publish time much too long for phishing

2006-11-28 Thread Per Jessen
O. If not, >> everything else is pointless. > > I guess you could always ask for a refund if you're unhappy with the > product. I think they're doing a hell of a good job. So do I. I've even contributed code myself. I am in no way unhappy with the product, and I s

Re: [Clamav-users] submit-to-publish time much too long for phishing

2006-11-28 Thread Per Jessen
Gerard Seibert wrote: > however, I believe 'stupid' is too harsh. Perhaps - but a great deal more concise :-) /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.ne

Re: [Clamav-users] submit-to-publish time much too long for phishing

2006-11-28 Thread Per Jessen
natures collected is mostly irrelevant, whereas the speed with which a new signature can be published is not. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] submit-to-publish time much too long for phishing

2006-11-29 Thread Per Jessen
Nigel Horne wrote: > Use the "experimental code", then. It does a good job at catching > phishes that aren't even in the database. OK, that sounds interesting, I'll take a look. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a

Re: [Clamav-users] submit-to-publish time much too long for phishing

2006-11-30 Thread Per Jessen
al point was that if Clam is going to scan for > phishing at all, the response time might be too slow to be useful, > given the frequency with which the content changes. That was exactly my point, yes. To be fair, I submitted another phishing sample yesterday, and had the update in abou

Re: [Clamav-users] DB Update email before actual update available?

2006-12-20 Thread Per Jessen
is the db-update process? Is it possible the email is being sent > out before the file is accessible? I don't know the process, but I think so, yes. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] DB Update email before actual update available?

2006-12-22 Thread Per Jessen
Jay Lee wrote: > The point of the exercise it to run freshclam *only* when the update > is published, not to run every x hours (or minutes) without knowing if > there is an update. > > Looking at my options there... Why not just run freshclam as a daemon? /Per

Re: [Clamav-users] DB Update email before actual update available?

2006-12-26 Thread Per Jessen
Dennis Peterson wrote: > Per Jessen wrote: >> Jay Lee wrote: >> >>> The point of the exercise it to run freshclam *only* when the update >>> is published, not to run every x hours (or minutes) without knowing >>> if there is an update. >>> >

Re: [Clamav-users] Freshclam stability as a daemon

2006-12-29 Thread Per Jessen
e have not seen any stability problems, and I do not expect any either. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html

Re: [Clamav-users] Freshclam stability as a daemon [was: DB Update email before actual update available?]

2006-12-29 Thread Per Jessen
t for ALL your daemon processes? As an old school mainframe sysprog, I don't monitor any of my daemon processes. (apart from *some* status-monitoring via SNMP). /Per Jessen, Zürich PS: even if you're an old school Unix admin, quoting only the relevant b

Re: [Clamav-users] DB Update email before actual update available?

2006-12-29 Thread Per Jessen
email. We use SMS, but the idea is the same. > So what do you do when your freshclam dies or explodes from a memory > leak or do you depend 100% on it never failing? For one thing, freshclam has never died nor exploded from a memory leak, nor is it a critical process. If freshclam fails

Re: [Clamav-users] Re: DB Update email before actual update available?

2006-12-29 Thread Per Jessen
Although I would monitor the temperature instead. Once the equipment is down, it's too late. We monitor datacenter/machine temperature as they are critical operating factors that must be maintained within certain boundaries. Anyway, this is way, way off-topic here - my apologies for keepin

Re: [Clamav-users] Freshclam stability as a daemon [was: DB Update

2006-12-29 Thread Per Jessen
at the same time, and the databases had been updated, I see significant potential for something to break. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html