Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> > On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:57:23 -0800 (PST) > Dennis Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I accept your points Dennis, I'm just puzzled that people have so much > trouble with freshclam daemons. I have used it for years and find it > 100% reliable after a few problems with settings in the earl

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Brian Morrison
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:57:23 -0800 (PST) Dennis Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > What seems entirely bizarre about Fedora's ClamAV packages is that they > > don't use freshclam in daemon mode, they use cron to run it. There's a > > perfectly good tool provided that does all the nec

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
James, James Kosin wrote: > Unfortunately, if they are a brain-dead sysadmin, I drought they would > know what to do with a VIRUS if ClamAV found one. Remember, ClamAV > will find viruses, but, not clean them from infected programs. This is a good point, I would argue that the default in this c

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> > > What seems entirely bizarre about Fedora's ClamAV packages is that they > don't use freshclam in daemon mode, they use cron to run it. There's a > perfectly good tool provided that does all the necessary things to link > freshclam to clamd, and they don't use it. > If you run freshclam as

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Brian Morrison
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:10:27 -0700 "Gary V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Fedora package confuses the crap out of me. I gave up trying to figure > out what they are trying to accomplish and installed from source. What seems entirely bizarre about Fedora's ClamAV packages is that they don't u

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread James Kosin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Redman wrote: > It's seems that I have a philosophical difference here. There > almost seems to be a "no pain, no gain" mentality, that installing > ClamAV SHOULD be complex and difficult, you don't really deserve > the software unless you've suf

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Luca Gibelli
Hello Jim, > Instead the packages need me to learn some of the inner workings of > ClamAV and FreshClam (forget editing the conf files, the packages don't > even seem to work together out of the box), and since I really don't > care about learning this, I'm going to get as far as making it wo

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> I WANT to know NOTHING about ClamAV, I wish to remain ignorant. I even > trust the folks who produce RPMs to come up with reasonable defaults for > file locations, max sizes, etc. etc. etc. As _IS_ the case with just > about every other install. > You have obviously been very successful in

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Gary V
Jim Redman wrote: > Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern > package that fails to install and just work. > <<-- snip -->> > Jim > You are ranting to the wrong group of people. ClamAV has nothing to do with RPM packages or maintaining Fedora releases of the extra packa

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
James, James Kosin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Redman wrote: Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern package that fails to install and just work. <<-- snip -->> Jim You are ranting to the wrong group of people. ClamAV has nothing t

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
Steve, Steve Holdoway wrote: On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:12:03 -0700 Jim Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] My take on your post is that installing software blindly on a multi-user system is at best irresponsible. On a workstation on your desk, the effects of your actions are limited to you

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread James Kosin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Redman wrote: > Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern > package that fails to install and just work. > <<-- snip -->> > Jim > You are ranting to the wrong group of people. ClamAV has nothing to do with RPM packages or

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:12:03 -0700 Jim Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] My take on your post is that installing software blindly on a multi-user system is at best irresponsible. On a workstation on your desk, the effects of your actions are limited to you alone. This is not the case on a