Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-23 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/23/2018 03:45 PM, Chase wrote: Have you emailed that guy back since then? He may've put something together but forgot about it. I couldn't remember his name, but I believe he responded in this very thread (Doug Royer?). If imake could get any deader, I was just emailed saying upstre

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-23 Thread Chase via cdesktopenv-devel
Have you emailed that guy back since then? He may've put something together but forgot about it. If imake could get any deader, I was just emailed saying upstream wouldn't even merge our changes due to our imake being lgplv2+ licensed, so my vote is officially migrating to autotools after this

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-21 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/20/2018 06:46 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: As for dtudc*, why? Who needs it? If you really want it, there is no reason it could not just be maintained outside of CDE as a separate project -- just requiring a X11/Motif/CDE dev environment to build. Is there some strong reason we need to ki

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-21 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/20/2018 06:39 PM, Marcin Cieslak wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Jon Trulson wrote: On 06/20/2018 06:01 PM, Chase wrote: The next release will be 2.3, because things. Autotools will take a while, before it's functional. There are many steps to building CDE, it will not be a trivial task

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> On Jun 20, 2018, at 20:28, Jon Trulson wrote: > [...] >> Would switching to autotools also solve the rpath problem? > > Possibly, as I understand libtool changed it's behavior WRT to rpath. > > In CDE for linux, rpath is added via ExtraLoadFlags in > config/cf/lnxLib.rules. You could prob

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Chase via cdesktopenv-devel
I will state what my personal goals are for the project if it gives perspective: Building a Debian package (1st priority!) Cutting out cruft (OS support for OSs that have no chance of ever being revived, and have no active maintainers, honestly if we could've found active maintainers for the OSs

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Marcin Cieslak writes: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Jon Trulson wrote: > >> On 06/20/2018 06:01 PM, Chase wrote: >> >> The next release will be 2.3, because things. >> >> Autotools will take a while, before it's functional. There are many steps to >> building CDE, it will not be a trivial task to re

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
> As for dtudc*, why? Who needs it? > If you really want it, there is no reason it could not just be > maintained outside of CDE as a separate project -- just requiring a > X11/Motif/CDE dev environment to build. Is there some strong reason we need to kill it? I understand why there might not be

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Marcin Cieslak
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Jon Trulson wrote: > On 06/20/2018 06:01 PM, Chase wrote: > > The next release will be 2.3, because things. > > Autotools will take a while, before it's functional. There are many steps to > building CDE, it will not be a trivial task to replicate in autotools. There are s

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/20/2018 06:01 PM, Chase wrote: I say that if we are going to push out one last release before the transition, make it 2.2.5, and then the autotools release can be 2.3. Can we also reenable the font editor and try to debug it after 2.2.5? If it's only problem is renamed x11 headers and co

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Chase via cdesktopenv-devel
I say that if we are going to push out one last release before the transition, make it 2.2.5, and then the autotools release can be 2.3. Can we also reenable the font editor and try to debug it after 2.2.5? If it's only problem is renamed x11 headers and compiler warnings, that is a relatively e

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/20/2018 04:03 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: Jon Trulson writes: Imake is dead, and I see no point in trying to "take over" and improve it. Autotools (as others have also mentioned in this thread) is the way to go moving forward. We might be able to leverage some of the work X11 did ther

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
Jon Trulson writes: > Imake is dead, and I see no point in trying to "take over" and improve > it. Autotools (as others have also mentioned in this thread) is the > way to go moving forward. We might be able to leverage some of the > work X11 did there as well. Well, my expectation was that we

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Jon Trulson
On 06/19/2018 09:33 PM, Chase via cdesktopenv-devel wrote: Hi all, Matthew T. and I have had a conversation about imake and whether or not it would be a good idea to merge with master or not. After doing a bit of discussion, I sent a message to alan coopersmith to see if anyone at the imake te

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Christopher Turkel
x27;m aware of)‎, I would be willing to take a stab at the > conversion. > > -mrt > *From: *José Carlos Carrión Plaza > *Sent: *Wednesday, June 20, 2018 02:19 > *To: *cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > *Subject: *Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake > > H

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread Matthew R. Trower
18 02:19To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake Hi all. IMHO GNU autotools is the right way. Xorg moved from old "imake-make World" to GNU autotools and modular packing. Motif moved in a similar wa

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] The sorry state of imake

2018-06-20 Thread José Carlos Carrión Plaza
Hi all. IMHO GNU autotools is the right way. Xorg moved from old "imake-make World" to GNU autotools and modular packing. Motif moved in a similar way. I think the third traditional actor of the old robust desktop, CDE, must follow the same way. If I may help you in any way, please let me kn