Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Mouse
>>> -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's >>> complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a >>> NULL pointer" ... ) >> As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish >> the C standard committee had the balls to say "Everything

RE: MSI 6800

2016-05-21 Thread Kip Koon
Hi Brad, I found these two links. I hope they help. < http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=732> < http://www.hinkles.us/chuckbo/MSI-6800/index.htm> Take care my friend. Kip Koon computer...@sc.rr.com http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Kip_Koon > -Original Message

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

2016-05-21 Thread Mouse
>> Most executables are not performance-critical enough for >> dynamic-linker overhead to matter. (For the few that are, or for >> the few cases where lots are, yes, static linking can help.) > I keep telling myself that whenever I launch Firefox after a reboot > ... Do you have reason to think d

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Liam Proven
On 21 May 2016 at 07:14, Sean Conner wrote: > > Oh my! I'm reading the manual for the C compiler for the Unisys 2200 [1] > system and it's dated 2013! And yes, it does appear to be a 36-bit non-byte > addressable system. And you can run the OS free of charge on high-end x86 kit: http://www.

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread William Donzelli
> Wow! Unisys is still making new machines as well. -- Will

RE: Best LCDs for retrocomputing - Was: Re: New *square* 1:1 26.5"LCD monitor 1920x1920

2016-05-21 Thread Robert Jarratt
I tried the Dell on my Rainbow, but unfortunately it did not work. Looks like I would need the scan doubler that was mentioned. Regards Rob > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rob Jarratt > Sent: 17 May 2016 07:31 > To: Ian Finder ; Ge

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Liam Proven
On 21 May 2016 at 17:33, William Donzelli wrote: > Unisys is still making new machines as well. Yes it is, but they are x86 boxes running an emulator. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/26/unisys_finally_weans_itself_off_cmos_chippery/ AFAIK only IBM is still making actual hardware mainframe

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread William Donzelli
Yes, I know - but so what? That is nothing new. The IBM 9370 line from 20-odd years ago was really an 801 inside, running S/370 in emulation. -- Will On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > On 21 May 2016 at 17:33, William Donzelli wrote: >> Unisys is still making new machines as

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

2016-05-21 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr
> On May 21, 2016, at 4:33 AM, Mouse wrote: > >>> Most executables are not performance-critical enough for >>> dynamic-linker overhead to matter. (For the few that are, or for >>> the few cases where lots are, yes, static linking can help.) >> I keep telling myself that whenever I launch Firefo

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Liam Proven
On 21 May 2016 at 17:58, William Donzelli wrote: > Yes, I know - but so what? That is nothing new. The IBM 9370 line from > 20-odd years ago was really an 801 inside, running S/370 in emulation. I thought it was noteworthy considering that this subthread originated in discussion of how all conte

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Sean Caron
On Sat, 21 May 2016, Liam Proven wrote: On 21 May 2016 at 07:14, Sean Conner wrote: Oh my! I'm reading the manual for the C compiler for the Unisys 2200 [1] system and it's dated 2013! And yes, it does appear to be a 36-bit non-byte addressable system. And you can run the OS free of ch

Re: ND-10 software - Re: Harris H800 Computer

2016-05-21 Thread Mattis Lind
2016-04-22 14:52 GMT+02:00 Tor Arntsen : > On 21 April 2016 at 14:43, Mattis Lind wrote: > > > PED2.DMK and DISK8.IMD is the same disk, but different ways of reading it > > off the disk. I used both the standard PC-floppy and then also the > > catweasel card. I tried the catweasel for some floppi

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Liam Proven
On 21 May 2016 at 18:37, Sean Caron wrote: > On Sat, 21 May 2016, Liam Proven wrote: > >> On 21 May 2016 at 07:14, Sean Conner wrote: >>> >>> >>> Oh my! I'm reading the manual for the C compiler for the Unisys 2200 >>> [1] >>> system and it's dated 2013! And yes, it does appear to be a 36-bit

DEC Rainbow 100B For Sale, Manchester, UK

2016-05-21 Thread Robert Jarratt
I have a DEC Rainbow 100B in the upright pedestal for sale. It comes with 128K of memory, a hard disk controller with hard disk cable, an RX50 drive and the graphics option. It is just the base unit and the pedestal, there is no keyboard, monitor or hard disk included. I collected this machine rece

The RSTS riddle.

2016-05-21 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi Further to my posts this morning I have one last hurdle to jump. 1. I have a VAX with a TK70 attached and a TQK70 controller. 2. The tape drive works just fine. 3. Also on the VAX I have the correct tape (.TAP) image file for a RSTS/E V10 install tape. 4. I would like to copy t

RE: The RSTS riddle.

2016-05-21 Thread Robert Jarratt
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod > Smallwood > Sent: 21 May 2016 19:29 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: The RSTS riddle. > > Hi > > Further to my posts this morning I have one last hurdl

Re: The RSTS riddle.

2016-05-21 Thread Rod Smallwood
On 21/05/2016 19:56, Robert Jarratt wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood Sent: 21 May 2016 19:29 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: The RSTS riddle. Hi Further to my posts this mor

Re: The RSTS riddle.

2016-05-21 Thread Al Kossow
On 5/21/16 12:28 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Third Point > There's no way to copy an image only files under any DEC operating system. > > Fourth Point > > If I had a RSTS system how would I make a backup copy of the install > tape? > you would use TPC, and you can convert b

HP Draftmaster II 7596A: EPROM dumps needed, urgent :-(

2016-05-21 Thread Martin Peters
Hello, the EPROMs are labeled 07595-18045 and 07595-18046. Can anyone do a dump for me? It's really urgent. Our local hackerspace wants to get rid of it, if there is no chance to get the Firmware again. greetings, Martin

RE: MSI 6800

2016-05-21 Thread Brad H
Thanks Kip! I did manage to get it going. Turned out the switches for baud rate are not labelled accurately. It has a monitor called Weebug.. no idea how to operate it. :)  Hoping it's similar to SWTBUG, MIKBUG etc. Brad Sent from my Samsung device Original message From:

RE: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull (tony duell)

2016-05-21 Thread Mark Matlock
> I would hope whoever gets it is prepared to exchange information. There is no > software with my machine, of course. Pete, Congrats! Once you pick up the system feel free to contact me about getting copies of the limited software I have for the MINC at this time. They are great systems

Re: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull

2016-05-21 Thread SPC
Congratulations, Pete. I'd like to put some day my hands in one of these but work and distance (Spain) make it complicated. Perhaps in some years from now. Kind Regards Sergio

RE: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull (tony duell)

2016-05-21 Thread tony duell
> Using a DW11-B to connect the MINC to a PDP-11/45 sounds fantastic! Believe-it-or-not I did it becuase I didn't have an RL11. I used the RLV11 in the MINC to interface to the RL01s. Yes, that does work. > What a neat idea! I have all the MINC modules except the MNCTP > thermocouple inte

Re: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull (tony duell)

2016-05-21 Thread Ian S. King
Hey Pete, I have software and documentation, too. I really like my MINC. My machine is RX02 based, but I have a SCSI adapter for it. One of these days, I'm going to get around to either putting a real SCSI drive or a SCSI-to-SD adapter in it. If you have the 11/03 version, you need the earlier

RE: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull

2016-05-21 Thread Dave Wade
Sergio, Lots of folks travel from UK to Spain with large vans and the rates are quite reasonable. I have just bought a house in Torrox near Malaga and have been looking at the oprions. Dave G4UGM > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of SP

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Sean Conner
It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > >>> -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's > >>> complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a > >>> NULL pointer" ... ) > >> As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Sean Conner
It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > >>> -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's > >>> complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a > >>> NULL pointer" ... ) > >> As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish >

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

2016-05-21 Thread Eric Smith
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: >> On May 21, 2016, at 4:33 AM, Mouse wrote: >>> First off, the C standard mandates that the order of fields in a >>> struct cannot be reordered, >> Yes. (I think this is a Bad Thing, but I can see why they did it.) > Given that C is a sys

Re: The RSTS riddle.

2016-05-21 Thread Paul Koning
> On May 21, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > Second point: > The RSTS install tape is just a bunch of files. > There's nothing requiring image copy to deal with funny file formats No, that is not accurate. An install tape (for V9 or later) is a bootable tape with

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, Mouse wrote: > Also, > PostScript has a lot of language syntax, whereas FORTH has immediate > words that act like language syntax. (The difference is that FORTH > makes it possible to change those words, thereby changing the apparent > syntax.) What do you mean by that? --

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread ben
On 5/21/2016 6:42 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 21 May 2016 at 07:14, Sean Conner wrote: Oh my! I'm reading the manual for the C compiler for the Unisys 2200 [1] system and it's dated 2013! And yes, it does appear to be a 36-bit non-byte addressable system. And you can run the OS free of ch

1's comp

2016-05-21 Thread ben
On 5/20/2016 7:19 PM, Sean Conner wrote: Hehe, what is a long long? Yes, you are totally right. Still, I assert that C is still the defacto most portable language on Earth. What other language runs on as many OS's and CPUs ? None that I can think of. A long long is at least 64-bits long.

Re: 1's comp

2016-05-21 Thread Toby Thain
On 2016-05-21 10:26 PM, ben wrote: On 5/20/2016 7:19 PM, Sean Conner wrote: Hehe, what is a long long? Yes, you are totally right. Still, I assert that C is still the defacto most portable language on Earth. What other language runs on as many OS's and CPUs ? None that I can think of. A lo

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread ben
On 5/20/2016 2:58 [4] Say, a C compiler an 8088. How big is a pointer? How big of an object can you point to? How much code is involved with "p++"? How come INTEL thought that 64 KB segments ample? I guess they only used FLOATING point in the large time shared machines. Ben.

Re: 1's comp

2016-05-21 Thread Sean Conner
It was thus said that the Great ben once stated: > On 5/20/2016 7:19 PM, Sean Conner wrote: > > >> > >>Hehe, what is a long long? Yes, you are totally right. Still, I assert > >>that C is still the defacto most portable language on Earth. What other > >>language runs on as many OS's and CPUs ? Non

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Sean Conner
It was thus said that the Great ben once stated: > On 5/20/2016 2:58 > > > > >[4] Say, a C compiler an 8088. How big is a pointer? How big of an > > object can you point to? How much code is involved with "p++"? > > How come INTEL thought that 64 KB segments ample? I guess they only used

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

2016-05-21 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr
> On May 21, 2016, at 7:34 PM, ben wrote: > > On 5/20/2016 2:58 > >> >> [4] Say, a C compiler an 8088. How big is a pointer? How big of an >> object can you point to? How much code is involved with "p++"? > > How come INTEL thought that 64 KB segments ample? I guess they only used >

Re: 1's comp

2016-05-21 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/21/2016 09:34 PM, Toby Thain wrote: On 2016-05-21 10:26 PM, ben wrote: On 5/20/2016 7:19 PM, Sean Conner wrote: Hehe, what is a long long? Yes, you are totally right. Still, I assert that C is still the defacto most portable language on Earth. What other language runs on as many OS's

Re: 1's comp

2016-05-21 Thread ben
On 5/21/2016 8:56 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 05/21/2016 09:34 PM, Toby Thain wrote: On 2016-05-21 10:26 PM, ben wrote: On 5/20/2016 7:19 PM, Sean Conner wrote: Hehe, what is a long long? Yes, you are totally right. Still, I assert that C is still the defacto most portable language on Earth. Wha

Making MAINDEC paper tapes with a 33 ASR

2016-05-21 Thread Charles Dickman
I need to make some paper tapes of the diagnostics for my PDP-8/e. I built an RS232/current loop interface and have it working I think Did anyone else notice that the standard cable to connect the M8655 to a tty uses shielded twisted pair cable, but doesn't have the signal pairs in the twisted pa

Re: 1's comp

2016-05-21 Thread Toby Thain
On 2016-05-21 10:56 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 05/21/2016 09:34 PM, Toby Thain wrote: On 2016-05-21 10:26 PM, ben wrote: On 5/20/2016 7:19 PM, Sean Conner wrote: Hehe, what is a long long? Yes, you are totally right. Still, I assert that C is still the defacto most portable language on Earth. W

Re: Hamvention

2016-05-21 Thread Jerry Weiss
I saw one Altair 8800 and one TRS-80 III out in the swap fest. Some more recent power (5?) series, but that’s about it. Jerry WB9MRI > On May 20, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Alex McWhirter wrote: > > > > > Anyone spot anything list related at hamvention? I'm around trying to find > anything cool

Re: The RSTS riddle.

2016-05-21 Thread Rod Smallwood
On 22/05/2016 02:25, Paul Koning wrote: On May 21, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Second point: The RSTS install tape is just a bunch of files. There's nothing requiring image copy to deal with funny file formats No, that is not accurate. An install tape (for V

Re: Hamvention

2016-05-21 Thread Brian Marstella
After Alex mentioned it, I'd thought about driving up if anyone saw anything of interest, but sounds like there isn't a great deal to pick from for older computers. I really can't justify the drive anyway, this year... Brian KI4GTD On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Jerry Weiss wrote: > I saw on

RE: HP Draftmaster II 7596A: EPROM dumps needed, urgent :-(

2016-05-21 Thread David Collins
Martin, I might be able to help you as I think we have a 7596A. Are these EPROMs from the processor PCA? Are you able to tell me which 'U' numbers they are in the PC board? I haven't looked at the plotter itself, but the service manual we have shows the following part numbers for the processor