Re: The last fix for a "All Shook Up" 33

2015-10-28 Thread William Maddox
> Wayne (ttyparts.com) and I had a disaster of a shipment on a ASR33, Fed Ex > Ground did us no favors. You are probably better off sending heavy shock-sensitive items on a pallet via freight.  A parcel invites being handled on a conveyor or dropped.  A pallet has to be handled with a forklift

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-10-28 Thread rod
Well they managed to keep that quiet or I would have gone like a shot. My wife and I go to Germany three or four times a year on holiday. I worked in Germany for a year (1969/70) and speak enough German to get around. So I am totally hacked off that it was a secret closed show and so I never

Sale with a lot of ATT 3B2 stuff

2015-10-28 Thread jwsmobile
This is a representative auction by the vendor. Look at all of his stuff for the whole story. VINTAGE-COMPUTER-AT-T-3B2-500-600-1000-UNIX-SYSTEM-16MB-MEMORY-WESTERN-ELECTRIC http://www.ebay.com/itm/321811268824 The buyer of his Lisp Machine is going to be sad. The vendor has broken off go

Honeywell "Teletype"

2015-10-28 Thread jwsmobile
I'm curious. This auction appears to be for an ASR33 in a Honeywell box. If so $1200 is way too much for a funny case unless you like plastic with "Honeywell" on it. Any ideas? RARE-Vintage-Honeywell-Teletype-Machine http://www.ebay.com/itm/201442852051 Thanks Jim

Re: Honeywell "Teletype"

2015-10-28 Thread jwsmobile
On 10/28/2015 1:05 AM, jwsmobile wrote: I'm curious. This auction appears to be for an ASR33 in a Honeywell box. If so $1200 is way too much for a funny case unless you like plastic with "Honeywell" on it. Any ideas? RARE-Vintage-Honeywell-Teletype-Machine http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014428

Re: VCF-Berlin, 2015

2015-10-28 Thread Jörg Hoppe
Jack, in your forum you say "Joerg Hoppe took the picture above but unfortunately, I didn't manage to take one of him. He had a very impressive collection of (mostly) DEC front panels running in full blinken-light glory off SIMH on captive Beagle Bone controllers." Here's my gallery ... inc

Re: Honeywell "Teletype"

2015-10-28 Thread Connor Krukosky
On 10/28/2015 4:08 AM, jwsmobile wrote: On 10/28/2015 1:05 AM, jwsmobile wrote: I'm curious. This auction appears to be for an ASR33 in a Honeywell box. If so $1200 is way too much for a funny case unless you like plastic with "Honeywell" on it. Any ideas? RARE-Vintage-Honeywell-Teletype

RE: Honeywell "Teletype"

2015-10-28 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jwsmobile > Sent: 28 October 2015 08:08 > To: Classic Computer List (cctalk@classiccmp.org) > Subject: Re: Honeywell "Teletype" > > On 10/28/2015 1:05 AM, jwsmobile wrote: > > > > I'm curious. This

Re: Distilled water (was re: Model 152 PSU dummy loads)

2015-10-28 Thread simon
car bulbs? (just to be as pedantic...) On 27-10-15 19:03, Craig Ruff wrote: Just to be pedantic, as this is the Internet after all :-), distilled water is a pretty good insulator, but not a "perfect" one. Neutral (pH 7.0) water always has a very small amount of the molecules disassociated into

Re: Honeywell "Teletype"

2015-10-28 Thread Cory Heisterkamp
Nice looking Burroughs! *kidding* Looks like the seller hasn't had any bites since the last go-round. I did some investigating at that time but couldn't come up with a Honeywell system that had this 'stylized' unit. However, I did find photos of plain-jane 33's with Honeywell badges on the covers

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Ben Sinclair > I'm trying to get my RLV11 working Oh, I was going to mention this about the RLV11 - it's a Q18 device. So it _probably_ won't work in a system with more than 256KB of memory (which you don't, at this point, have, though). It would all depend o

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Ben Sinclair
Hi Jerome, thanks for the info! According to the Microcomputer Interfaces Handbook, my H9273 backplane should be all ABCD. Am I correct in that I shouldn't have any problem using the RLV11 in that backplane? On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: >>Noel Chiappa wrote: > >>>

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Ben Sinclair > According to the Microcomputer Interfaces Handbook, my H9273 backplane > should be all ABCD. Yup, that was one of the first things I checked - whilst realizing that if it wasn't, it was too late... :-) > Am I correct in that I shouldn't have any problem usi

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Ben Sinclair
No magic smoke so far! I think you had written something a while back that would test that interrupt. Was that correct, or is there another diagnostic I can use to test that? The 17440 wasn't a typo, it's just my misunderstanding of how the addressing works. I'll read the actual location later to

Microvax 3800 Soon to arrive

2015-10-28 Thread devin davison
Hello. I seem to be getting quite a big assortment of DEC equipment over here as of late. Back in July I made a trip to Miami to pick up a PDP 11/34 with related equipment a while back and posted about it here on the list. I'm still working on getting the power supply on the pdp 11 fixed but am mak

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Ben Sinclair
I just tried to read 774400 from ODT, and it just gives the question mark. So, I don't think it's seeing it at all right now! I'll try moving it next. On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Ben Sinclair wrote: > No magic smoke so far! > > I think you had written something a while back that would test

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-28 18:25, Ben Sinclair wrote: I just tried to read 774400 from ODT, and it just gives the question mark. So, I don't think it's seeing it at all right now! I'll try moving it next. I wonder if it really uses 18 bit addresses in the console. Johnny On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at

Re: Microvax 3800 Soon to arrive

2015-10-28 Thread william degnan
Same testing as with any early 90's server. If the server boots and squeals to holy hell you prob have a bad drive, but the system is pretty robust and if you have multiple drives it might seal it off and boot anyway. >From the >>> you can check things out at the ROM level. Run the SHOW DEV com

Re: Microvax 3800 Soon to arrive

2015-10-28 Thread Glen Slick
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:02 AM, devin davison wrote: > Hello. I seem to be getting quite a big assortment of DEC equipment over > here as of late. Back in July I made a trip to Miami to pick up a PDP 11/34 > with related equipment a while back and posted about it here on the list. > I'm still wo

Re: Microvax 3800 Soon to arrive

2015-10-28 Thread Glen Slick
Here are some docs that might be helpful if you haven't already found these: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/vax/655/EK-306A-MG-001_655Mnt_Mar89.pdf KA655 CPU System Maintenance Order Number EK-306AA-MG-001 http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/vax/655/EK-KA655-TM-001_KA655_CPU_Module_Technical_Manua

Re: Sale with a lot of ATT 3B2 stuff

2015-10-28 Thread Jerry Kemp
I know I'm a terrible person for saying this, but as a person who spent several years as a 3b2 admin for $WORK, and would like to be able to work with the operating system again, the sellers prices alone are enough for me to be happy for Seth's 3b2 emulator project, when ever it is complete enou

Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread feldman . r
A core memory unit from Gemini 3 is up for auction: http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news/2015/10/auction-memory-first-computer-space?et_cid=4906629&et_rid=742193094&location=top

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread Paul Koning
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 12:58 PM, feldma...@comcast.net wrote: > > A core memory unit from Gemini 3 is up for auction: > http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news/2015/10/auction-memory-first-computer-space?et_cid=4906629&et_rid=742193094&location=top > Comical. "Chip" indeed. And "first use of

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Ben Sinclair
For 18 bit addresses, I assume I would look at 74400 instead? I get 17 there. I did just try moving the RLV11 boards below everything else (except the BDV11), with the same results as before. On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2015-10-28 18:25, Ben Sinclair wrote:

Re: Honeywell "Teletype"

2015-10-28 Thread David Williams
That looks pretty clean. I haven't seen one in the UK at anywhere near that price. Looking at US prices its almost worth shipping if I could find a set of 50hz gears They do pop up now and then. I actually purchased mine though Ebay, last year for £300. The seller originally had it listed

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Ben Sinclair
Okay, I think I need to be looking at 774400, which doesn't return anything. Also, the PDP11GUI has a handy RL11 dialog to show all of the registers, which I think shows the same thing... It's not there! I've double checked my switch settings, and tested the switches themselves for continuity just

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Ben Sinclair
Well I just figured out something important...The switch numbers on my board backwards! I was going over the docs again, and noticed that MSB and LSB in their board diagram were on the wrong sides, compared to the switch numbers referenced on the next page. I'm not sure if that's just the way it is

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread John Wilson
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 03:40:46PM -0500, Ben Sinclair wrote: >Well I just figured out something important...The switch numbers on my >board backwards! I was going over the docs again, and noticed that MSB >and LSB in their board diagram were on the wrong sides, compared to >the switch numbers refe

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Ben Sinclair
Thanks John, I think the insanity is my own! After changing those switches I accidentally put the M8014 above the M8013. I've swapped them and now get slightly different results: One note, it now takes a while for it to start printing anything, which I think might mean it's running some of the fir

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Johnny Billquist > I wonder if it really uses 18 bit addresses in the console. Yes (if the question is 'for input'). What it puts out on the bus I haven't checked, definitely BBS7 plus the low 13 bits (0-12), dunno about BDAL13-21. > From: Ben Sinclair > For 18 bit addr

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread Geoffrey Oltmans
Seems like it's worth is totally dependent on its provenance...how do you prove that? On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Oct 28, 2015, at 12:58 PM, feldma...@comcast.net wrote: > > > > A core memory unit from Gemini 3 is up for auction: > http://www.scientificcomputing.

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Ben Sinclair > I think you had written something a while back that would test that > interrupt. Was that correct, or is there another diagnostic I can use > to test that? Well, I'm sure there's a DEC diagnostic for the DLV11-J, but I have no idea what it is. I did have a

Re: Sale with a lot of ATT 3B2 stuff

2015-10-28 Thread Alan Hightower
(Jerry you are not a terrible person for saying that) I have similar thoughts. Ebay seller twenex has had this stuff listed for months. It's not new. He's trolling for desperate buyers. I would hardly call this a 'sale'. I've offered him very reasonable prices on several things he listed for c

Re: Sale with a lot of ATT 3B2 stuff

2015-10-28 Thread jwsmobile
I didn't like his prices either, but I wanted to put the 3Bx eyeballs on this in case there was something they needed for the emulator project. Breaking out what I consider to be spares from the Symbolics sale is what I referred to in my post below, but didn't put it in such language. At le

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-28 20:35, Ben Sinclair wrote: For 18 bit addresses, I assume I would look at 74400 instead? I get 17 there. Um? 74400 is 15 bits... :-) 18 bits would be 774400. But 22 bits would be 17774400. And 16 bits would be 174400. I would primarily expect 16 bits addresses to be used on

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-10-28 21:40, Ben Sinclair wrote: Well I just figured out something important...The switch numbers on my board backwards! I was going over the docs again, and noticed that MSB and LSB in their board diagram were on the wrong sides, compared to the switch numbers referenced on the next page

Re: Trying to get my RLV11 working

2015-10-28 Thread Johnny Billquist
Even better. Sorry for writing responses without checking what else is in my inbox. I've caught up now, though. And you definitely look like you got a stuck bit in there. All of the errors show expected and received data, and in all cases bit 13 is on while it shouldn't be. Could be a bad bus

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread Brent Hilpert
Not a proof in entirety of the claim, but from a ref and looking at the closeup pics from the auction website, it is an unusual form of core memory where the cores have two holes through them, like a blocky figure 8, apparently an aspect of a technique to achieve non-destructive readout. This is

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread Paul Koning
Yes, I was wondering that too. The paper sticker pasted on the array as show in the photo is hardly persuasive. paul > On Oct 28, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote: > > Seems like it's worth is totally dependent on its provenance...how do you > prove that? > > On Wed, Oct 28,

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread Paul Koning
I didn't realize there is any such thing as non-destructive read core memory. Google does turn up a few obscure articles about such things. It doesn't seem to have caught on, and I wonder why it was used here. So that phrase actually may be accurate. But does that clearly tie it to Gemini?

Omnibus TSC8-75 schematic?

2015-10-28 Thread Rick Bensene
While there are documents out there that describe the function of the Educomp/Quodata TSC8-75 Timeshare System Controller for Omnibus PDP 8 machines, I have searched high and low, and there doesn't seem to be /any/ schematics for it anywhere. I know this was a proprietary board that did some prett

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Oct-28, at 4:41 PM, Paul Koning wrote: >> On Oct 28, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: >> On 2015-Oct-28, at 2:45 PM, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > On Oct 28, 2015, at 12:58 PM, feldma...@comcast.net wrote: > > A core m

Dowalert tape recorder thingy

2015-10-28 Thread dave
Has anyone here ever used a Dowalert back in its heyday of the early 1980s? For those who don't know, a Dowalert is a device that resembles a tape-driven telephone answering machine. Dow Jones had an idea of broadcasting stock information over FM radio to this device for later perusal by s

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread COURYHOUSE
didn't they keep craft intact for display etc? heh who stole the memory then!/ anything is FLOWN in space has a high value. we collect a bit of that but most is stupidly out of the price range. ed sharpe archivist for smecc In a message dated 10/28/2015 12:32:03 P.M. US M

TTY paper - $5 per roll in St. Paul / Mpls.

2015-10-28 Thread drlegendre .
Anyone in the St. Paul / Mpls area need paper for a Teletype? I had to buy half a dozen rolls to get a decent price, so I am making (3) spare rolls available at my cost of $5/roll. If you have interest, please send me a message off-list - thanks! -Bill

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/28/2015 06:32 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: Not a proof in entirety of the claim, but from a ref and looking at the closeup pics from the auction website, it is an unusual form of core memory where the cores have two holes through them, like a blocky figure 8, apparently an aspect of a techni

EISA?

2015-10-28 Thread Ken Seefried
Would anyone have a working EISA motherboard or smallish EISA machine they'd part with for a reasonable price? I find myself in need of one to resurrect some elderly kit I'd like to play with. Contact off-list. KJ

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread steven
Original Message Subject: Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space From:couryho...@aol.com Date:Thu, October 29, 2015 11:29 am To: cctalk@classiccmp.org ---

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Oct-28, at 6:35 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 10/28/2015 06:32 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: >> Not a proof in entirety of the claim, but from a ref and looking at the >> closeup pics from the auction website, it is an unusual form of core memory >> where the cores have two holes through them, lik

Re: Up for Auction: Memory from the First Computer in Space

2015-10-28 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Steven Malikoff > a Raytheon module from a Block 1 AGC > ... > I don't think the Block 1's were flown(?). Yes, but not on manned flights. (Researching this is made more complex because there were quite a few different AGC designs; AGC3, AGC4, AGC4B, AGC5 and AGC6, in addi

Re: Sale with a lot of ATT 3B2 stuff

2015-10-28 Thread Sean Caron
I've seen this vendor's stuff before but their prices were so off the wall, I just laughed and moved on. Best, Sean On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote: > I know I'm a terrible person for saying this, but as a person who spent > several years as a 3b2 admin for $WORK, and would