Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath. But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice. Especially not if you intend to use it in print or on clothing. Perhaps you alreade have a less complex companion logo planned. /P On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:13:08P

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Alexandre Souza
Will they build spaceships? :D 2015-10-14 4:11 GMT-03:00 Pontus Pihlgren : > I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath. > > But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice. > Especially not if you intend to use it in print or on clothing. > > Perhaps you alre

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Jason Scott
I agree that it's good to have secondary companion designs just for things like stitched patches. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath. > > But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice. > Esp

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 04:16:43AM -0300, Alexandre Souza wrote: > Will they build spaceships? :D Probably, otherwise they would have made a more "wormy" logo :) /P > > 2015-10-14 4:11 GMT-03:00 Pontus Pihlgren : > > > I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath. > > > > But as

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Rod Smallwood
Where is the vintage computer! I cant see one Rod On 14/10/2015 08:11, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath. But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice. Especially not if you intend to use it in print or on clothing. Per

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread william degnan
There are circumstantial / companion versions logo, stand by Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Oct 14, 2015 4:39 AM, "Rod Smallwood" wrote: > Where is the vintage computer! I cant see one > > Rod > > > > On 14/10/2015 08:11, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > >> I like it, especially the

Re: VAX in action

2015-10-14 Thread Liam Proven
On 13 October 2015 at 02:33, Sean Caron wrote: > I will also lay the blame for my lack of inline quoting at the > feet of same; GMail makes a total hash of it. No it doesn't; it works perfectly. Either hit Ctrl-A to expand all, then trim as required, or if that's too hard, go into Settings and

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread tony duell
[ASR33] > This is a very delicate mechanical device. In spite of the fabulous shipping > crate, the bolts > installed to secure the printer, the shipping guys let us down. The thing > had very rough > handling, sheared off the shipping bolts, the printer was totally shook up > and Wayne and

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread Cory Heisterkamp
I'll throw my two-cents in as I have a fairly modest collection of teletypes. A nice feature of the 32/33 is that the tape punch/reader is built-in, but understand that these were cost-reduced models that can be fairly finicky to get going and keep running. The issue right now is that the market fo

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Ben Franchuk > I would get rid of the outer leaves I think I might agree - they don't add much, for the amount of space and complexity they add. Very clever to make them out of PCB traces, though! Noel

Re: RK11-C (was Re: H960 logo panel)

2015-10-14 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote: > I have two backplanes, some boards somewhere ,but no panels, at least yet. > Also a Diablo 30 or 31. I had a Diablo 30 but I lost it in a flood 25 years ago. :-( -ethan

The Burroughs B5900 and E-Mode

2015-10-14 Thread Liam Proven
I don't know if this memoir is well-known or not, but I thought it might interest. « The Burroughs B5900 and E-Mode A bridge to 21st Century Computing By Jack Allweiss Copyright 2010 My name is Jack A. Allweiss, also known as “The Father of the B5900 System”. I did not give myself that title

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread tony duell
> Also for reading in paper tape, a high speed punch and paper tape reader > is often wanted. Yes, IMHO the ASR33 reader is an interesting thing to have, but it's only 10cps, and it is not kind to the tapes. A good capstan-fed optical paper tape reader will do between 300 and 1000cps [1] and will

Re: VT52s, VT61s lots of DEC and DG keyboards- return trip through Maine, MA, NY, PA, OH, IN to IL

2015-10-14 Thread Paul Koning
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 11:02 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > > Do you remember Carrol Touch terminals made in the area? I just picked up 2 > still in the box! Really? PLATO terminals? Or some other kind? I have a Carroll PLATO terminal at home. If you have one, you can connect it to the cyber1 P

RE: VT52s, VT61s lots of DEC and DG keyboards- return trip through Maine, MA, NY, PA, OH, IN to IL

2015-10-14 Thread tony duell
> Yes, I had a bunch of Versatec 1200A's with the Tektronix > hard copy feature. the Versatec was the greatest graphics > printer until laser printers came out, then they became > instant boat anchors. Here's the process. Only in the sense that a PDP11, or a VAX, or a PERQ, or a is a boatanc

Re: VT52s, VT61s lots of DEC and DG keyboards- return trip through Maine, MA, NY, PA, OH, IN to IL

2015-10-14 Thread Paul Koning
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 11:27 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > >>> ... > Yes, I had a bunch of Versatec 1200A's with the Tektronix hard copy feature. > the Versatec was the greatest graphics printer until laser printers came out, > then they became instant boat anchors. Here's the process. > > ... And

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Rod Smallwood
OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of system we major in For example Rod's Retro Restorations - IBM360 Rod Smallwo

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread ethan
We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of system we major in For example Rod's Retro Restorations - IBM360 Rod Smallwood As time goes on more computers become vintage. -- Ethan O'Toole

Re: VT52s, VT61s lots of DEC and DG keyboards- return trip through Maine, MA, NY, PA, OH, IN to IL

2015-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/14/2015 08:55 AM, tony duell wrote: Was it a stepper motor? I am sure mine uses a permanent magnet DC motor. I do remember that the paper feed roller is in 2 parts with a differential gear between them. Yes, absolutely, on the Versatec 1200A. I put those motors in a milling machine. Bi

Re: VT52s, VT61s lots of DEC and DG keyboards- return trip through Maine, MA, NY, PA, OH, IN to IL

2015-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/14/2015 09:00 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Oct 13, 2015, at 11:27 PM, Jon Elson wrote: ... Yes, I had a bunch of Versatec 1200A's with the Tektronix hard copy feature. the Versatec was the greatest graphics printer until laser printers came out, then they became instant boat anchors. H

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/14/2015 09:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of system we major in For example

Re: The Burroughs B5900 and E-Mode

2015-10-14 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Liam Proven > I don't know if this memoir is well-known or not, but I thought it > might interest. > ... > http://jack.hoa.org/hoajaa/BurrMain.html Wow! What a fabulous story/writeup! Highly recommend to everyone. Noel

RE: VT52s, VT61s lots of DEC and DG keyboards- return trip through Maine, MA, NY, PA, OH, IN to IL

2015-10-14 Thread tony duell
[Versatec paper feed motors] > Yes, absolutely, on the Versatec 1200A. I put those motors > in a milling machine. Big, round case stepper motors, with > a ghastly resistor-transistor drive. You've got me worried now... I have V80. Actually, it's ICL-badged, and has a GPIB adapter board at th

Re: DG S/130 progress

2015-10-14 Thread Henk Gooijen
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Jay West Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:08 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: DG S/130 progress Pictures of the S/130 system I'm building up are at https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638@N02 [... snip long cool progress description ...] Grea

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, et...@757.org wrote: As time goes on more computers become vintage. But, do they all? Are there any that will NEVER be vintage, and still discarded by archeologists thousands of years from now?

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Rod Smallwood
Sorry old chap just an example. I'm a old DEC guy. My biggest system is a VAX I think the 360 was back in the days when they rented every thing so not much was left behind Mind you I would not turn down a racks worth of AS400 On 14/10/2015 16:05, Jon Elson wrote: On 10/14/2015 09:15 AM, Rod

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 7:01 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Ben Franchuk > I would get rid of the outer leaves I think I might agree - they don't add much, for the amount of space and complexity they add. Very clever to make them out of PCB traces, though! Noel Now my dumb idea was

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/14/2015 10:24 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, et...@757.org wrote: As time goes on more computers become vintage. But, do they all? Are there any that will NEVER be vintage, and still discarded by archeologists thousands of years from now? I'm not even sure what "vintage" in

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of system we major in *snip* As I am

Vintage Computer IBM1130

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 9:05 AM, Jon Elson wrote: On 10/14/2015 09:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what ty

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 11:47 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/14/2015 10:24 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, et...@757.org wrote: As time goes on more computers become vintage. But, do they all? Are there any that will NEVER be vintage, and still discarded by archeologists thousands of years fro

RE: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Dave Wade
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of ben > Sent: 14 October 2015 19:04 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation > > On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > > OK so if we agree there are three c

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Mouse
> The hardest part is finding parts for the FPGA, sure I can use 74XXX > but was it out in 1975-76? If you mean some specific 74-series part, well, it depends on which one. But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime within a year or so of '78, I was working with the stuff,

Re: DG S/130 progress

2015-10-14 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 10/14/2015 11:59 AM, Henk Gooijen wrote: > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Jay West Sent: Wednesday, October > >> It would seem that DG didn't believe in anything plugging in to >> interface boards. Instead, interface boards went in the cpu with no >> external connectors. Then you wirewr

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 10/14/2015 1:12 PM, Mouse wrote: >> The hardest part is finding parts for the FPGA, sure I can use 74XXX >> but was it out in 1975-76? > > If you mean some specific 74-series part, well, it depends on which > one. > > But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime > within

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread Brad
How heavy are these things? They look like solid steel in pictures. That's one of the things that presents a big problem for me up here in Canada... shipping from the US has gotten outrageously expensive. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of

RE: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread Brad
I appreciate the advice and I'll keep my eyes out. Vancouver hasn't really been a great place to find these kinds of things; I tend to be totally reliant on ebay, and as mentioned US shipping up to here has skyrocketed (not to mention our CDN dollar tanking). I guess mostly because Vancouver i

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread william degnan
Rodents are the enemy of Teletypes. Be sure to check under the hood before you buy! I have a page with some info you can download that covers how to check out a Teletype before you buy it. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Brad wrote: > How heavy are these things? They look like solid steel in

RE: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread tony duell
> But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime > within a year or so of '78, I was working with the stuff, and it was as > an undergrad, so I doubt I would have been working with just-released > logic. 74xxx logic dates from the late 1960s. There are plenty of production mac

Re: Visual 200 (was Visual 100 Terminal - Circuit Diagram Wanted)

2015-10-14 Thread Jonathan Chote
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Jonathan Chote wrote: I know it exists out in the wild somewhere, but I can't find a copy myself. It's for a VT100 clone terminal called the Visual 100 - from around 1982. Mistake on my behalf. Was working on it last night and it's actually the earlier mode

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 12:48 PM, Brad wrote: How heavy are these things? They look like solid steel in pictures. That's one of the things that presents a big problem for me up here in Canada... shipping from the US has gotten outrageously expensive. Well for big things shipping I think it is about the

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread william degnan
You can ship these in a box if you detach the pedestal and put it on its side, making sure the main unit is well padded and there is a weight balance to the box, as you never know from what angle the box will sit/fall/land/be carried. I shrink wrap the main TTY to ensure it stays secure, then wrap

Re: Visual 200 (was Visual 100 Terminal - Circuit Diagram Wanted)

2015-10-14 Thread william degnan
Bare in mind the keyboard keys will likely have to be re-foamed. I had to do that with my Visual 1050, which is the full system version CP/M computer. I'd see if there are similarities to the 1050, I bet the video display circuits would have similarities, you might be able to find 1050 schematics

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Oct-14, at 11:12 AM, Mouse wrote: >> The hardest part is finding parts for the FPGA, sure I can use 74XXX >> but was it out in 1975-76? > > If you mean some specific 74-series part, well, it depends on which > one. > > But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime > w

RE: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > I don't think we got to "Micro, Mini and Mainframe" until we got to 2nd and > third generation computers > > ... 1st generation Valve Computers like the Bendix , Pegasus, EDVAC, > Manchester MK1, CSIRAC were just "Computers" and don't conform to the above > classes > Fred - where are y

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Rod Smallwood
I have in front of me my copy of the TTL databook for Design Engineers Its dated 1973. Its full of 74 series logic. Rod Smallwood On 14/10/2015 19:04, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. I

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Evan Koblentz
Ps: I'm not sure about the logo. It doesn't have the ADM3A ashtray and the keyboard doesn't look wide enough for the ADM5 layout including the numeric keypad on the right. Is/was there such a thing as an ADM4? That part of the image is only meant to * evoke * a terminal -- which it did.

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Andrew Burton
- Original Message - From: "ben" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:17 AM Subject: Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation > > I would get rid of the outer leaves and put just Vintage Computer > Federation there instead. A tube, transistor and a early DTL? gate ic > could go

Vintage Computer TTL

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 12:12 PM, Mouse wrote: The hardest part is finding parts for the FPGA, sure I can use 74XXX but was it out in 1975-76? If you mean some specific 74-series part, well, it depends on which one. But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime within a year or so o

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Terry Stewart
>As time goes on more computers become vintage. ...as do their owners... (: Terry (Tez) On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Andrew Burton wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: "ben" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:17 AM > Subject: Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federati

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of s

Re: The Burroughs B5900 and E-Mode

2015-10-14 Thread Sean Caron
I stumbled upon that site a few months ago ... It's a great read! I wish he wrote more :O Best, Sean On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > I don't know if this memoir is well-known or not, but I thought it > might interest. > > « > > The Burroughs B5900 and E-Mode > A bridge

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 1:45 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: From original sources/refs I have kicking around: - The first 54xx devices were introduced by TI in 1965. - 74xx was around by 1966. - H & L was around by 1969. - S was around by 1971. - LS was around by 19

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 1:48 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: I have in front of me my copy of the TTL databook for Design Engineers Its dated 1973. Its full of 74 series logic. Rod Smallwood It's on my kindle,PC and tablet in digital form. Ben.

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/14/2015 12:48 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: I have in front of me my copy of the TTL databook for Design Engineers Its dated 1973. Its full of 74 series logic. I have in front of me, the big thick brown "The Microelectronics Data Book" from Motorola, dated 1969. There were already several fa

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 2:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches wit

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Paul Koning
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:50 PM, ben wrote: > > On 10/14/2015 2:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: >>> On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must

HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On a sudden impulse, I put in a bid for an HP1663A logic analyzer for $30 and won for $29. Just got the thing--it's essentially in like-new condition--not even a scratch, no CRT burn and comes with the original set of pods and grabbers. Not so much as a fingerprint anywhere--even the line cor

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Ian Finder
HP-HIL. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On a sudden impulse, I put in a bid for an HP1663A logic analyzer for $30 > and won for $29. Just got the thing--it's essentially in like-new > condition--not even a scratch, no CRT burn and comes with the original set > of pods and

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Mike Loewen
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely > Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three > classes of vintage computer. We dont need pat

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Evan Koblentz
I also noticed that the outer circumference (outer most part of the logo) doesn't appear to be a true circle, but more polygonal instead! (look*really* carefully) Was is created using some 3d rendering software??? Good eye! Yes, we used a 3D CAD program, so that someday we could make model

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/14/2015 01:50 PM, ben wrote: What is a midi-computer? Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry: "An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a minicomputer and a mainframe. " A CW 1979 article about the Association of Computer Users (ACU) it as "

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Glen Slick
Nice score on the HP 1663A. http://www.ebay.com/itm/321884393529?orig_cvip=true You would probably end up paying more for an HP-HIL keyboard such as an 46021A than you did for the 1663A. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Ian Finder wrote: > HP-HIL. > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Chuck Guzi

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/14/2015 01:57 PM, Ian Finder wrote: HP-HIL. That's what I suspected. Thanks! --Chuck

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 2:57 PM, Mike Loewen wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely > Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three > cl

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 3:07 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/14/2015 01:50 PM, ben wrote: What is a midi-computer? Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry: "An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a minicomputer and a mainframe. " A CW 1979 article about the As

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 10/14/2015 3:56 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On a sudden impulse, I put in a bid for an HP1663A logic analyzer for > $30 and won for $29. Just got the thing--it's essentially in like-new > condition--not even a scratch, no CRT burn and comes with the original > set of pods and grabbers. Not so muc

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/14/2015 01:53 PM, Paul Koning wrote: Something a bit bigger than a mini. I think some marketeers tried to use that term for their answer to the VAX. It obviously didn't go very far, given that hardly anyone remembers the term. I'm not sure who specifically used it. Prime, perhaps? Ha

8" hard sector (Was DG S/130 status)

2015-10-14 Thread Jay West
I found a company selling new 8" 32-sector hard sector floppies. http://www.athana.com/html/diskette.html Item # 47-0801 They want $150 per box of 10. That's a pretty hefty pricetag... but in the absence of other suppliers I may just have to break down and buy a box from them. J

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/14/2015 02:08 PM, Glen Slick wrote: Nice score on the HP 1663A. http://www.ebay.com/itm/321884393529?orig_cvip=true You would probably end up paying more for an HP-HIL keyboard such as an 46021A than you did for the 1663A. A quick check on prices for a HP A4220-62001, adapter seems to sh

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Fred Cisin
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry: "An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a minicomputer and a mainframe. " A CW 1979 article about the Association of Computer Users (ACU) it as "a computer costing between

RE: DG S/130 progress

2015-10-14 Thread Jay West
Henk wrote... >Great series of pictures Jay! Thanks! Most of those pics are "so I don't forget where wires go", but some of them are presentable :) >After more than a year on a desk, I mounted the 6125 tape drive in the top of the rack with its power supply on the right side next to it. I went to

Re: DG S/130 progress

2015-10-14 Thread Charles
Jay, have you tried floppydisk.com? Their site only shows 3.5 and 5.25" floppies, but they do have 8" too (although not cheap). Not sure if they'll have the hard-sectored ones but they have SSSD soft-sectored (for my RX01) at $90 for a pack of ten. Going rate on ebay is $25-35 a pack...

Decmate Owner's Guide (or equivalent experience)

2015-10-14 Thread Robert Ferguson
Hi Folks, Does anyone have a electronic copy of the original Decmate Owner’s Guide (AA-K330C-TA) that they could share? Alternatively, can anyone describe what can be accomplished (if anything) from the initial “Setup” prompt on a VT278 *without* any disks attached? The situation is that Brent

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Ian Finder
If that's the one I'm thinking of, it's not an active adapter- it was more akin to a breakout- and went to (and *only* to) the HP 715. There's no way to cheat that I know of, you need to find an actual HIL keyboard. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 10/14/2015 02:08 PM, G

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 3:42 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry: "An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a minicomputer and a mainframe. " A CW 1979 article about the Association of Computer Users

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Glen Slick
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > A quick check on prices for a HP A4220-62001, adapter seems to show that > they aren't terribly expensive. > It has never been clear to me whether those adapter boxes actually do what you would want to do here, i.e. allow you to plug a PS/2

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Josh Dersch
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Glen Slick wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > > > A quick check on prices for a HP A4220-62001, adapter seems to show that > > they aren't terribly expensive. > > > > It has never been clear to me whether those adapter boxes actually

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Al Kossow
On 10/14/15 3:55 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: I have one sitting in a drawer at home, I can crack it open tonight if anyone's curious what's inside ;). Did that a while ago, and they are passive. They are designed to work with a PA-RISC workstation that can deal with either kind of keyboard on the

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Ian Finder
I'm curious to see for sure. In fact I may need one for my HP 715. But I'm also 99.9% sure it is not useful for what Chuck has in mind. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Glen Slick wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Chuck Guzis wr

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Jason T
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > OK so if we agree there are three classes computer > Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. > It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. A man in a black suit and skinny tie came by and asked that we not forget the Midrange

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread William Donzelli
> A man in a black suit and skinny tie came by and asked that we not > forget the Midrange (System/3, System/3x, AS/400…) I do not think IBM ever really did black suits. Navy blue and dark grey, although the skinny tie era was before these machines (maybe the fat, good-for-eatin'-ribs ties of the

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread drlegendre .
Brad, A few montns ago, with a fair bit of help of the folks on this list, I did up an Altair 8800 rebuild. And apparently you & I both saw the same videos, as I got all hot and bothered about getting an ASR33 and using it to load software - BASIC, for starters - into the Altair. And again, on me

Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

2015-10-14 Thread couryhouse
Be patient. 75 dollar 33s still exist Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: "drlegendre ." Date: 10/14/2015 16:34 (GMT-07:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re: Fair price and ways to find a teletype

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 10/14/2015 03:58 PM, Ian Finder wrote: I'm curious to see for sure. In fact I may need one for my HP 715. But I'm also 99.9% sure it is not useful for what Chuck has in mind. I think you're right. Check out the conversation here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.rescue/19389

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Jason T
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:32 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > I do not think IBM ever really did black suits. Navy blue and dark > grey, although the skinny tie era was before these machines (maybe the > fat, good-for-eatin'-ribs ties of the 1970s would work). Ah yeah, but I imagined stodgy IBM neve

IBM 029

2015-10-14 Thread jwsmobile
Someone on FB pointed out that the 029 was announced this day in 1964. I've got one as well as a 129. I didn't realize they were that old of a product. The 029 was the first keypunch I used in school. http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/vintage/vintage_4506VV4002.html Thanks Jim

Re: HP 1663A Logic Analyzer keyboard

2015-10-14 Thread Stefan Skoglund (lokal
ons 2015-10-14 klockan 13:57 -0700 skrev Ian Finder: > HP-HIL. > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Chuck Guzis > wrote: The HP HCL speaks about a HIL-only host (SPU) to PS/2-keyboard adapter from mic.com The 9000/715 (and 725/100) computers had a special HIL-port (SMD-10) which required an bre

Re: VT52s, VT61s lots of DEC and DG keyboards- return trip through Maine, MA, NY, PA, OH, IN to IL

2015-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/14/2015 11:46 AM, tony duell wrote: [Versatec paper feed motors] Yes, absolutely, on the Versatec 1200A. I put those motors in a milling machine. Big, round case stepper motors, with a ghastly resistor-transistor drive. You've got me worried now... I have V80. Actually, it's ICL-badg

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

2015-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/14/2015 12:34 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Sorry old chap just an example. I'm a old DEC guy. My biggest system is a VAX I think the 360 was back in the days when they rented every thing so not much was left behind Mind you I would not turn down a racks worth of AS400 In the EARLY days of

Re: Vintage Computer IBM1130

2015-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 10/14/2015 01:07 PM, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 9:05 AM, Jon Elson wrote: On 10/14/2015 09:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches wi

Re: Vintage Computer IBM1130

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 9:21 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Carl has a IBM 1130 http://rescue1130.blogspot.ca/ Fascinating! And, of course, with discrete transistors, it should not be that hard to keep the electronics running. The mechanicals look like a pretty major repair project, though! NO TRANSISTORS ... I

Re: 8" hard sector (Was DG S/130 status)

2015-10-14 Thread Jay Jaeger
I could spare one - but probably only one. JRJ On 10/14/2015 4:17 PM, Jay West wrote: > I found a company selling new 8" 32-sector hard sector floppies. > > http://www.athana.com/html/diskette.html Item # 47-0801 > > They want $150 per box of 10. That's a pretty hefty pricetag... but in the >

Re: 8" hard sector (Was DG S/130 status)

2015-10-14 Thread ben
On 10/14/2015 9:39 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: I could spare one - but probably only one. JRJ Did they ever make punch to make your own? Ben.

Re: DG S/130 progress

2015-10-14 Thread shadoooo
Hello, I'm almost sure that the DG dual 8" uses hard-sectored floppies with 32 sectors (33 holes). The internal logic will generate sync signals for 8 sectors starting from the 32 on the floppy. So industry standard hard-sectored floppies should be fine. You need to use formatted disks, DG supp

Re: PDP8 / ETOS

2015-10-14 Thread David Gesswein
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:06:25AM -0600, Joe wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 09:56:36AM -0600, Joe wrote: > Thanks for the response. I guess not to many people have messed around with > Multos8 or ETOS. > You using my copy or do you have your own? Using emulator or real machine? > I'm trying

Re: DG S/130 progress

2015-10-14 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 10/14/2015 3:44 PM, shad wrote: > Then I developed a tool to connect it to PC via serial, using the > console port; > this tool is somehow similar to VTserver for PDP11 realm, but more > expandable. > Basically, you can do memory transfers between Nova and PC (both > directions), and > exec

RE: DG S/130 progress

2015-10-14 Thread Jay West
Shadoo wrote... - Then I developed a tool to connect it to PC via serial, using the console port; this tool is somehow similar to VTserver for PDP11 realm, but more expandable. Basically, you can do memory transfers between Nova and PC (both directions), and execute almost *ANY* I/O instru