On 10/06/2017 01:56 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>> On Oct 5, 2017, at 6:19 PM, allison via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> Moore's law only worked for hardware, software lagged typically two
>> years behind.
> There's a more cynical view, sometimes called "the virtual disease", which is
> that software performanc
On 10/06/2017 03:42 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
> On 10/5/2017 4:19 PM, allison via cctalk wrote:
>> On 10/05/2017 03:46 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>>> On 10/05/2017 04:22 AM, allison via cctalk wrote:
>>>
Funny the market knew of the 386 in the fall of '85 but it would be
three year
On 10/5/2017 4:19 PM, allison via cctalk wrote:
On 10/05/2017 03:46 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 10/05/2017 04:22 AM, allison via cctalk wrote:
Funny the market knew of the 386 in the fall of '85 but it would be
three years before I'd see
one in the field. Disks and CPUs lagged the in
On 10/05/2017 03:46 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I recall an Intel engineer opining on the subject. "We give you a
32-bit advanced architecture CPU and you p*ss it away running DOS."
Compatibility is a tough mistress.
My neighbor at one of the West Coast Computer Faires had a new 386
com
> On Oct 5, 2017, at 6:19 PM, allison via cctalk wrote:
>
> Moore's law only worked for hardware, software lagged typically two
> years behind.
There's a more cynical view, sometimes called "the virtual disease", which is
that software performance is constant because all the gains from Moore's
On 10/05/2017 05:37 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 10/05/2017 01:27 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
>
>> I once had a Tecmar SASI adapter (I still have the documentation
>> and diskette) I seem to recall that it was mostly buffers which
>> would suggest that most of the work was done by
On 10/05/2017 03:46 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 10/05/2017 04:22 AM, allison via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Funny the market knew of the 386 in the fall of '85 but it would be
>> three years before I'd see
>> one in the field. Disks and CPUs lagged the introductions by years due
>> to cost.
>
On 10/05/2017 03:27 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
I once had a Tecmar SASI adapter (I still have the
documentation and diskette) I seem to recall that it was
mostly buffers which would suggest that most of the work
was done by the device driver. The disks that went with it
where ST506
On 10/05/2017 01:27 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
> I once had a Tecmar SASI adapter (I still have the documentation
> and diskette) I seem to recall that it was mostly buffers which
> would suggest that most of the work was done by the device driver.
> The disks that went with it where ST50
On 2017-10-05 8:22 AM, allison via cctalk wrote:
On 10/5/17 5:53 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
Also, the early desktop PS/2 (model 50 and such) had the controller
integrated on the drive and those were Maxtor as I recall. The PS/2
shippe
On 2017-10-05 4:45 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
That concurs with my observation that SCSI was initially an Apple convention.
I can recall conversations about SASI vs. Apple SCSI.
And like Fred, I don't believe that it does any such thing.
On 2017-10-05 4:31 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 10/05/2017 11:39 AM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
From: Chuck Guzis
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 1:46 PM
As an aside, I picked up a 1986 Wren II full-height manual that discussed the
drive and its various interfaces. Sadly, IDE
> > That concurs with my observation that SCSI was initially an Apple
> > convention.
> > I can recall conversations about SASI vs. Apple SCSI.
>
> And like Fred, I don't believe that it does any such thing.
>
>Rich
Me too. Given ho
On 10/05/2017 04:22 AM, allison via cctalk wrote:
> Funny the market knew of the 386 in the fall of '85 but it would be
> three years before I'd see
> one in the field. Disks and CPUs lagged the introductions by years due
> to cost.
It was hard to rationalize the extra cost of a 16MHz 80386 whe
On 10/05/2017 11:39 AM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
> From: Chuck Guzis
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 1:46 PM
>
>> As an aside, I picked up a 1986 Wren II full-height manual that discussed the
>> drive and its various interfaces. Sadly, IDE isn't one, but SCSI is referred
>> to as "SASI
From: Chuck Guzis
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 1:46 PM
> As an aside, I picked up a 1986 Wren II full-height manual that discussed the
> drive and its various interfaces. Sadly, IDE isn't one, but SCSI is referred
> to as "SASI Subset"; i.e. "SCSI (SASI subset)"
I believe that you're readin
On 10/5/17 5:53 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
Also, the early desktop PS/2 (model 50 and such) had the controller
integrated on the drive and those were Maxtor as I recall. The PS/2
shipped in 1987 and we had the drives in labs at least 12-
ber 04, 2017 6:32 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: The origin of the phrases ATA and IDE [WAS:RE: formatting MFM
drives on a IBM PC]
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> Why on earth would WD have anything to do with it? They supplied the
> On Oct 5, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2017-10-05 12:57 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote:
>>> On Oct 5, 2017, at 2:53 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
Also, the early desktop PS/2 (mod
On 2017-10-05 12:57 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote:
On Oct 5, 2017, at 2:53 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk
wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
Also, the early desktop PS/2 (model 50 and such) had the controller integrated
on the drive and those were Maxtor as I recall
> On Oct 5, 2017, at 2:53 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
>> Also, the early desktop PS/2 (model 50 and such) had the controller
>> integrated on the drive and those were Maxtor as I recall. The PS/2 shipped
>> in 1987 and we had the dr
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
Also, the early desktop PS/2 (model 50 and such) had the controller
integrated on the drive and those were Maxtor as I recall. The PS/2
shipped in 1987 and we had the drives in labs at least 12-18 months
prior (memory is dim on this right now).
No.
On 10/04/2017 04:22 PM, Adam Sampson via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:03:44PM -0700, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> [...] can I assume that the other ads u found were also CompuAdd clone
>> ads? CompuAdd is really interesting because it clearly predates the
>> CAM meeting in early 1989. Here
this discussion started with an assertion that IDE preceded ATA
> and so far the evidence suggests IDE was at best contemporaneous.
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Adam Sampson [mailto:a...@offog.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 12:57
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Why on earth would WD have anything to do with it? They supplied the
controller, but not the drives. I used to have an early Maxtor ~50MB
3.5" drive with bugs in the interface. Nowhere did they give any nod to WD.
I was thinking in terms of t
> On Oct 4, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 10/04/2017 03:10 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>
> Why on earth would WD have anything to do with it? They supplied the
> controller, but not the drives. I used to have an early Maxtor ~50MB
> 3.5" drive with bugs in the
On 10/04/2017 03:10 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Why on earth would WD have anything to do with it? They supplied the
controller, but not the drives. I used to have an early Maxtor ~50MB
3.5" drive with bugs in the interface. Nowhere did they give any nod to WD.
--Chuck
After reading all the input I updated the article at:
http://chmss.wikifoundry.com/page/Compaq%2FConner+CP341+IDE%2FATA+Drive
where you will now find a picture of what is likely the first ATA drive, called
“fixed disk drive with embedded controller” by Compaq J
You might note that the artic
Impressive amateur historical research on this list!
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Adam Sampson via cctalk wrote:
The earliest I could find from a quick search is this ad from CompuAdd
Corporation in PC Magazine, December 27th 1988, listing PC clones with
"Integrated Drive Electronics fixed disk drive in
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I just pulled off a book from my shelf entitled "The SCSI Bus and IDE
Interface, Protocols, Applications and Programming", by Friedhelm
Schmidt, Addison-Wesley, 1995, ISBN 0-201-42284-0. (From the look and
feel of the book, this appears to be the
On 10/04/2017 01:45 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> I don't know why the model number label didn't include the interface,
> number of cylinders and heads, maybe even rotation speed.
>
> And why the manufacturer's bad track list was often a loose piece of
> paper, rather than a stuck on label.
Martin Bodo had great sales of just such a dead-tree database.
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
"The Hard Disk Bible" from Corporate Systems Center
Thank you
I shoulda Google'd it to get the name.
I don't know why the model number label didn't include the interface,
number o
I just pulled off a book from my shelf entitled "The SCSI Bus and IDE
Interface, Protocols, Applications and Programming", by Friedhelm
Schmidt, Addison-Wesley, 1995, ISBN 0-201-42284-0. (From the look and
feel of the book, this appears to be the first time I've cracked it.)
Here's what Mr. Schmi
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:03:44PM -0700, Tom Gardner wrote:
> [...] can I assume that the other ads u found were also CompuAdd clone
> ads? CompuAdd is really interesting because it clearly predates the
> CAM meeting in early 1989. Here is a quote from the March 9, 1989,
> CAM minutes
Hmm, inter
On 10/4/17 12:34 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> Martin Bodo had great sales of just such a dead-tree database.
"The Hard Disk Bible" from Corporate Systems Center
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
Thanks for your research which supports my point since all your cites postdate
the April 1989 date of ATA usage by the CAM committee.
Remember this all started when someone (Fred?) posted that ATA followed IDE.
Actually Chuck.
Followed by your
e Turnbull [mailto:p...@dunnington.plus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:56 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: The origin of the phrases ATA and IDE [WAS:RE: formatting MFM
drives on a IBM PC]
On 03/10/2017 01:04, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
Unfortunately there is no documentation
via cctalk
Subject: Re: The origin of the phrases ATA and IDE [WAS:RE: formatting MFM
drives on a IBM PC]
Tom Gardner via cctalk < <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
writes:
> But again if anyone has any documents dating IDE in the 1980s I d love
>
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
In my world, anyway, nobody had heard of ATA drives until ATAPI came
along. This popularised the term ATA, and then Serial ATA came along
and plain old parallel IDE was renamed parallel ATA, PATA.
Similarly to how "DOUBLE Density"
bacame a name
...@dunnington.plus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:56 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: The origin of the phrases ATA and IDE [WAS:RE: formatting MFM
drives on a IBM PC]
On 03/10/2017 01:04, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
> Unfortunately there is no documentation to support Pete's reco
On 2 October 2017 at 14:22, Jules Richardson via cctech
wrote:
>
> Does anyone know why IDE/ATA even came about? I mean, why SCSI wasn't used?
Sure, yes.
It was cheap.
SCSI was expensive, and that was aside from any licensing issues. A
working SCSI bus effectively means 2 smart devices, communi
On 1 October 2017 at 22:22, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>
> Q: Is "SATA": "Serial ATA" or "Serial AT Attachment"?
Serial ATA, to the best of my recollection.
> (Did they reference
> an acronym without referencing the terms of the acronym, again?)
Yes.
> I am going to guess that "PARALLEL A
On 10/3/17 5:33 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> I have two of the CDC drives, pn 94208-51 date codes 8749 and 8750
I just popped off one of the logic boards, and it is a slightly longer than
usual board with a WD1015-JM, WD11C00-JU. WD10C20B-JH-05, AND WD2010BJM05-02
On 10/3/17 5:39 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
> Does CHM have the e-mail on IDE history with Bill Frank, Tony Maggio and
> Ralph Perry listed in the references?
[21] Tony Maggio and Ralph Perry email on CDC Wren II IDE Drive, December 15,
2009
Tom probably has it, I don't recall seeing i
On 10/3/17 5:33 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 10/3/17 5:03 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
Compaq and WD also worked with CDC to use the Wren II HH drive in the Compaq
Deskpro 286. I found separate reports
confirming the Miniscribe HDD in the Portable II and the Wren II in a Compaq
D
On 10/3/17 5:03 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
> Compaq and WD also worked with CDC to use the Wren II HH drive in the Compaq
> Deskpro 286. I found separate reports
> confirming the Miniscribe HDD in the Portable II and the Wren II in a Compaq
> Deskpro 386 in 1986.
I have two of the CDC d
On 10/3/17 3:57 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
The earliest use I can find of the "AT Attachment" terminology is the
X3T9 project proposal from late 1990 which eventually led to the
formation of the X3T10 group:
http://www.t10.org/ftp/x3t9.2/document.90/90-058r2.txt
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Ala
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>
> Q: was the card slot in the Poqet "PCMCIA"? ("People Can't Memorize
> Computer Industry Acronyms" ("Personal Computer Memory Card Industry
> Association", for those who want more formality))
> Maybe later ones were, but the first on
The earliest use I can find of the "AT Attachment" terminology is the
X3T9 project proposal from late 1990 which eventually led to the
formation of the X3T10 group:
http://www.t10.org/ftp/x3t9.2/document.90/90-058r2.txt
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
As I previously posted, th
On 10/3/17 12:10 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 10/03/2017 05:37 AM, wrco...@wrcooke.net wrote:
fwiw in the late 80s I was the service department at a small PC
store. I remember seeing these newfangled drives in Compaq
computers, but I don't remember exactly when. Perhaps 88? Wikipedi
Tom Gardner via cctalk writes:
> But again if anyone has any documents dating IDE in the 1980s I’d love
> to see them
Don't forget the Internet Archive's impressive collection of scanned
magazines for questions like this! There are several references in 1989
in Infoworld and similar periodicals.
On 10/3/17 11:40 AM, Phil Blundell via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, 2017-10-03 at 18:56 +0100, Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote:
So there's clear proof that at least three companies in the UK were
using the term IDE before (or at least by) 1990. I never heard it
called anything else in that timeframe.
On 10/03/2017 11:40 AM, Phil Blundell via cctalk wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-10-03 at 18:56 +0100, Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote:
>> So there's clear proof that at least three companies in the UK were
>> using the term IDE before (or at least by) 1990. I never heard it
>> called anything else in tha
On Tue, 2017-10-03 at 18:56 +0100, Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote:
> So there's clear proof that at least three companies in the UK were
> using the term IDE before (or at least by) 1990. I never heard it
> called anything else in that timeframe.
That pretty much matches my recollection also.
On 03/10/2017 01:04, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
Unfortunately there is no documentation to support Pete's recollection - if
there is any I would like to see it.
Well, actually, there is, though not for quite as early as I had those
conversations. The company I was referring to was HCCS As
On 10/03/2017 05:37 AM, wrco...@wrcooke.net wrote:
> fwiw in the late 80s I was the service department at a small PC
> store. I remember seeing these newfangled drives in Compaq
> computers, but I don't remember exactly when. Perhaps 88? Wikipedia
> backs me up that it was Compaq (with WD drive
On 10/02/2017 10:47 PM, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
> Nice find but still later than Mar 1989.
You must have missed my second post--January 31, 1989.
--Chuck
-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: The origin of the phrases ATA and IDE [WAS:RE: formatting MFM
drives on a IBM PC]
>From the Oct 2 1989 Infoworld (here
>https://books.google.com/books?id=vTAEMBAJ
><https://books.google.com/books?id=vTAEMBAJ&pg=PT6&lpg=PT6&d
Here's one a bit earlier: Jan 31, 1989, for a CompuAdd 286 machine with
on-board IDE interface:
https://books.google.com/books?id=pMnJ2MkrjNgC&pg=PA161&dq=Built-in+IDE+interface&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYnpG0yNPWAhVSy2MKHXdMA4kQ6AEIXTAI#v=onepage&q=Built-in%20IDE%20interface&f=true
Which means that
See:
https://books.google.com/books?id=HXDkCoqMiVIC&pg=PP399&dq=IDE+hard+disk+interface+1989&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj01P2UmdPWAhUJhlQKHTBVD9IQ6AEILTAB#v=snippet&q=IDE%20hard%20disk%20interface%201989&f=true
For a CompuAdd 1989 ad that offers a dual IDE hard disk interface on
their motherboards.
I
g IDE in the 1980s I’d love to see
them
Tom
-Original Message-
From: Pete Turnbull [mailto:p...@dunnington.plus.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 8:29 AM
To: Tom Gardner via cctalk
Subject: Re: The origin of the phrases ATA and IDE [WAS:RE: formatting MFM
drives on a IBM PC
rature uses.
Tom
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Guzis [mailto:ccl...@sydex.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:59 PM
To: Tom Gardner via cctalk
Subject: Re: The origin of the phrases ATA and IDE [WAS:RE: formatting MFM
drives on a IBM PC]
On 10/01/2017 12:46 PM, Tom Gardner via cctalk w
On 10/02/2017 10:03 AM, Alan Perry via cctech wrote:
> Here is a complete quote from the minutes:
> "Jim McGrath of Quantum defined his company's interest as being
> primarily in the ability to embed SCSI into a drive without there being
> a physical SCSI bus present. He described some problems of
On 10/2/17 11:34 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote:
On 10/02/2017 10:03 AM, Alan Perry via cctech wrote:
Here is a complete quote from the minutes:
"Jim McGrath of Quantum defined his company's interest as being
primarily in the ability to embed SCSI into a drive without there being
a physical
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Jon Elson via cctech
wrote:
> On 10/02/2017 08:29 AM, allison via cctech wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It was price... ATA-IDE was cheaper and PC industry was working hard to
>> push the price down.
>> SCSI always remained more costly.
>>
>> Yes. I think there were royalties
On 10/02/2017 09:04 AM, allison via cctech wrote:
On 10/2/17 9:40 AM, william degnan wrote:
ATA-IDE and SCSI (OK SASI) are about the same age but
had
different adoption and growth rates.
Earliest SASI/SCSI was AmproLB+ and Visual 1050 with
adaptor. I
have both with hard
On 10/2/17 5:22 AM, Jules Richardson via cctech wrote:
On 10/02/2017 01:46 AM, Alan Perry via cctech wrote:
There was a call to form the CAM (Common Access Method) Committee of
X3T9.2
(SCSI-2) on 30 Sept 1988 and they first met on 19 Oct 1988. The primary
goal was to come up with a SCSI subse
On 10/02/2017 08:29 AM, allison via cctech wrote:
It was price... ATA-IDE was cheaper and PC industry was
working hard to push the price down.
SCSI always remained more costly.
Yes. I think there were royalties to pay for a true SCSI
drive. Anyway, there was a VERY significant price
diffe
On 01/10/2017 20:46, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
As best I can tell WD began publically using the term IDE for its drives sometime around 1990
Nope. I recall conversations with a small-scale developer in the UK who
was creating addons and accessories for the company I worked for (Acorn
Co
On 2017-10-02 08:22, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote:
> I mean, why SCSI wasn't used? It would have been an established standard by
> then, the drive complexity seems comparable to IDE/ATA (i.e. intelligent
> commands over a parallel bus), and SCSI controllers can be extremely simple -
>
> On Oct 2, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Jules Richardson via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know why IDE/ATA even came about? I mean, why SCSI wasn't used?
> It would have been an established standard by then, the drive complexity
> seems comparable to IDE/ATA (i.e. intelligent commands over a paralle
On 10/02/2017 08:29 AM, allison via cctech wrote:
On 10/2/17 8:22 AM, Jules Richardson via cctech wrote:
On 10/02/2017 01:46 AM, Alan Perry via cctech wrote:
There was a call to form the CAM (Common Access Method) Committee of X3T9.2
(SCSI-2) on 30 Sept 1988 and they first met on 19 Oct 1988.
On 10/2/17 10:13 AM, Jules Richardson via cctech wrote:
On 10/02/2017 08:29 AM, allison via cctech wrote:
On 10/2/17 8:22 AM, Jules Richardson via cctech wrote:
On 10/02/2017 01:46 AM, Alan Perry via cctech wrote:
There was a call to form the CAM (Common Access Method) Committee
of X3T9.2
On 10/2/17 9:40 AM, william degnan wrote:
ATA-IDE and SCSI (OK SASI) are about the same age but had
different adoption and growth rates.
Earliest SASI/SCSI was AmproLB+ and Visual 1050 with adaptor. I
have both with hard disks.
FYI the Z80 powered AMPROLB+ was 1984 intro
On 10/02/2017 01:46 AM, Alan Perry via cctech wrote:
There was a call to form the CAM (Common Access Method) Committee of X3T9.2
(SCSI-2) on 30 Sept 1988 and they first met on 19 Oct 1988. The primary
goal was to come up with a SCSI subset to facilitate it support in multiple
OSs and BIOS on PCs.
On 10/2/17 8:22 AM, Jules Richardson via cctech wrote:
On 10/02/2017 01:46 AM, Alan Perry via cctech wrote:
There was a call to form the CAM (Common Access Method) Committee of
X3T9.2
(SCSI-2) on 30 Sept 1988 and they first met on 19 Oct 1988. The primary
goal was to come up with a SCSI subse
>
>
> ATA-IDE and SCSI (OK SASI) are about the same age but had different
> adoption and growth rates.
>
> Earliest SASI/SCSI was AmproLB+ and Visual 1050 with adaptor. I have both
> with hard disks.
> FYI the Z80 powered AMPROLB+ was 1984 introduction.
The Commodore D9060/D9090 pre-dates these
On 10/1/17 1:22 PM, Fred Cisin via cctech wrote:
On Sun, 1 Oct 2017, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
I've looked for but cannot find any WD or Compaq documents publically
using IDE to describe what ultimately issued as ATA-1. My search
included various Compaq maintenance manuals.
Thank you v
On 10/01/2017 04:55 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
> On 10/01/2017 02:58 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>> On 10/01/2017 12:46 PM, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
>>> I've looked for but cannot find any WD or Compaq documents publically
>>> using IDE to describe what ultimately issued as ATA-1.
Doing some quick research, the governing patent seems to be
https://www.google.com/patents/US5295247
filed in 1992, where the term IDE is used exclusively.
Further, PC Magazine has ads for IDE interface motherboards in early 1989.
Neither mentions ATA.
If desired, I'll keep digging.
--Chuck
On 10/01/2017 02:58 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 10/01/2017 12:46 PM, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
I've looked for but cannot find any WD or Compaq documents publically
using IDE to describe what ultimately issued as ATA-1. My search
included various Compaq maintenance manuals. The ea
On Sun, 1 Oct 2017, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
I've looked for but cannot find any WD or Compaq documents publically
using IDE to describe what ultimately issued as ATA-1. My search
included various Compaq maintenance manuals.
Thank you very much for doing those searches!
My first encounte
On 10/01/2017 12:46 PM, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote:
> I've looked for but cannot find any WD or Compaq documents publically
> using IDE to describe what ultimately issued as ATA-1. My search
> included various Compaq maintenance manuals. The earliest public use
> of ATA and AT attachment that I
I've looked for but cannot find any WD or Compaq documents publically using IDE
to describe what ultimately issued as ATA-1. My search included various Compaq
maintenance manuals. The earliest public use of ATA and AT attachment that I
can find is March 1969 at the CAM committee draft standard
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